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So, The Russian voting interferance...

SA Huguenot

Well-Known Member
...was concocted by a Russian agent, sold to Hillary clinton, and the media mob in the USA all lied through their teeth about Trump collussion with Russia!

Luckily William Bar and Durham did not stop investigating.
The whole Democratic party knew about this treason against the USA, and it now seems as if Trump was correct in identifying the powers behind the US forces as the "Swamp".

In the next 6 months, a lot of Democrat socialists and traitors will de sniffed out.
Gregg Jarrett: The arrest of the man behind the phony dossier underscores the many lies of the Russia hoax
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
...was concocted by a Russian agent, sold to Hillary clinton, and the media mob in the USA all lied through their teeth about Trump collussion with Russia!

Luckily William Bar and Durham did not stop investigating.
The whole Democratic party knew about this treason against the USA, and it now seems as if Trump was correct in identifying the powers behind the US forces as the "Swamp".

In the next 6 months, a lot of Democrat socialists and traitors will de sniffed out.
Gregg Jarrett: The arrest of the man behind the phony dossier underscores the many lies of the Russia hoax
Oh wow! Serious conspiracy theory nonsense in that article.

Now there may not have been collusion between Russia and Trump. But there is no doubt that Russia did support Trump through all sorts of underhanded means. Mainly through social media such a s Facebook. The loon that wrote this wants to claim that Russia supported Hillary. Oh baby!!
 

SA Huguenot

Well-Known Member
Jesse Watters reveals the birth of the Russia collusion narrative
It is just facinating to think that the Democratic leadership, the powerhungry money powers, Socialists, Communists, and everything against the simple "Family values" and "American dream" to be a contributing gear in the world in the only real free country in the world, would go and concoct something as terrible as what they did to an inocent man.

Igor Denchenco spoke to?
Charley Dolan made stories up about Trump and Putin...
Hillary Clinton paid to get false accusations against Trump...
Theona Hill testified against Trump...
Steele, Cohen....
and Mueler ignored all these facts before the 2020 Ellection.

They all lied and deceived the American people, making Trump look like a Russian agent, a Traitor, and so much more.
In the meantime...
Trump was innocent and the best president the USA ever saw!

I can only wonder if the Left wing Media houses will ever apollogise for their lies!
I dont think so, they are never kept in check.
Anyhow, I still love the fact that American politics are the best soap opera on TV.
It is just keeping me in suspence, and I can see that there are people going to jail this time for lying to congress, to the Legislative branch, and to the people.
This time for real treason and corruption, not like with Trump's witch hunt where guys were eventually convicted for tax and other negligent issues.
Nope,
The People of th USA will see how big names in Government will be found guilty for framing the President of America, spying on his party, lying, paying for false evidence, deliberately misusing their powers from local government to state supreme courts to the FBI, CIA everywhere!
Just to deface Trump.

Cant wait for the next episode.
 

SA Huguenot

Well-Known Member
Oh wow! Serious conspiracy theory nonsense in that article.

Now there may not have been collusion between Russia and Trump. But there is no doubt that Russia did support Trump through all sorts of underhanded means. Mainly through social media such a s Facebook. The loon that wrote this wants to claim that Russia supported Hillary. Oh baby!!
Loon...Durham???

Support from Russia to Trump is unsubstantiated, and such a claim is actually "underhanded".

But no word about Joe and Hunter with their "underhanded deals from Moscow, Ucraine, China?
No word about Hilary Clinton getting Fusion GPS to create a false dossier against Trump and misusing the Intelligence agencies and Judiciary to deceive the American voters?
Not a single word about the crownies at CNN, MSNBC, ABS, and all the other far left anti American news networks?

I wonder why?
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Trump, an innocent man and champion of family values and the American Dream?

I struggle to understand how Donald Trump has managed to brand himself this way and people have fallen for it.
 

SA Huguenot

Well-Known Member
Trump, an innocent man and champion of family values and the American Dream?

I struggle to understand how Donald Trump has managed to brand himself this way and people have fallen for it.
OK, If you struggle, let me assist.
What did Trump do wrong?

I struggle to see Biden's reason for stopping the border wall.
I struggle to see his reason to stop the USA being self sufficient in ennergy.
Why does he give the US technology on a platter to infringe personal propperty?
Why did he stop Alaskan oil, fracking, mexican gulf oil production, and made the USA dependent on imports. This act alone is destroying the world's economies due to high oil prices.
Why does he mandate the vaccine?
Why did he support defunding the police?
Embrace socialist spending, and lying about the cost? Remember, 3.8 Trillion dollars costs zero dollars!
Why is he silent on Afganistan, China, Russia, Hong Cong?
Why are the news networks silent on the corruption of Hunter, Joe and Joe's brother's?

Why the infiltration of CRT in your schools, and why the attempt to prohibit parents a say against socialist education.
Please, Biden did all these things due to his hatred for Trump, not because it was bad policies Trump achieved, but because of HATE!

And he dont care if every American looses their freedom in the policies he destroys and implements.

In South Africa we share all the stupid things Biden says and does!
It is a great joke to finally have a more stupid example of a President, than what we had with Jacob Zuma!
Yes, Joe Biden is more stupid than Zuma!

Who would have thought that such an honor would ever go to the United States of America.

South Africa versus USA on the stupid president contest, and Joe wins singlehandedly!
:):p:D:rolleyes:
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
Trump is clearly a caustic ***-hat and should never be president again BUT he was right all along about the fake Russian collusion story, something that should have been obvious all along!


The New York Times

Authorities Arrest Analyst Who Contributed to Steele Dossier
Igor Danchenko, a Russia analyst who worked with Christopher Steele, the author of a dossier of rumors and unproven assertions about Donald J. Trump, was indicted as part of the Durham investigation.

Authorities Arrest Analyst Who Contributed to Steele Dossier
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Oh wow! Serious conspiracy theory nonsense in that article.

Now there may not have been collusion between Russia and Trump. But there is no doubt that Russia did support Trump through all sorts of underhanded means. Mainly through social media such a s Facebook. The loon that wrote this wants to claim that Russia supported Hillary. Oh baby!!
I notice that you quickly dismiss one conspiracy as "nonsense",
& then immediately allow for the conspiracy theory of Trump
colluding with Russia.
The better approach is to accept no conspiracy theory without
hard proof. Also, there is another potential reason for Russian
hijinks involving Hillary, ie, creating election chaos & political
discord. We must avoid seeing only the picture we want to see.

A non-Fox source for Danchenko's arrest...
Russian analyst who worked with Christopher Steele charged with lying to FBI
 
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Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
OK, If you struggle, let me assist.
What did Trump do wrong?

He has branded himself an American Savior but doesn't believe in the American Ethos of liberty and justice for all. Mr. "I am willing to use state power to take a poor farmer's family land because I don't like how it looks from my luxury hotel and country club" is so far removed from believing in the concept of democracy that he is continuing the false narrative of a stolen election for his own self-aggrandizement despite the damage it does to the foundational principles behind our democratic institutions. He debases the press publicly, but this is to munipulate it in order to enhance his own publicity. That he promotes "family values" is a farce; his exploitation of Evangelical fears and belief is thin varnish for his seedy, Hollywood, playboy antics.

Why the infiltration of CRT in your schools, and why the attempt to prohibit parents a say against socialist education.

I was recently accused of teaching CRT by a colleague because she saw the word "diversity" in my lesson plans about the Native American cultural variety in North America and my plans for "Columbus: Hero or Villain" where I use primary sources for the students to decide.

This is fearmongering by the Republicans. It is insubstantial.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
...was concocted by a Russian agent, sold to Hillary clinton, and the media mob in the USA all lied through their teeth about Trump collussion with Russia!

Luckily William Bar and Durham did not stop investigating.
The whole Democratic party knew about this treason against the USA, and it now seems as if Trump was correct in identifying the powers behind the US forces as the "Swamp".

In the next 6 months, a lot of Democrat socialists and traitors will de sniffed out.
Gregg Jarrett: The arrest of the man behind the phony dossier underscores the many lies of the Russia hoax

I didn't think there was enough hard evidence to prove collusion, but it seemed plausible that they might have had people posting to social media - as every organization seems to have. Party shills and political hacks are a common thing, and there are people from all over the world on the internet. What seemed incredulous to me is that, in a world where there are people from literally every country posting to the internet (many of whom have opinions on U.S. politics and therefore can be said to be "influencing"), somehow Russia was singled out as a villain of "foreign influence." It was so transparent and ridiculous, reminiscent of the days of the Cold War and our struggle with the "evil empire."
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I notice that you quickly dismiss one conspiracy as "nonsense",
& then immediately allow for the conspiracy theory of Trump
colluding with Russia.
The better approach is to accept no conspiracy theory without
hard proof. Also, there is another potential reason for Russian
hijinks involving Hillary, ie, creating election chaos & political
discord. We must avoid seeing only the picture we want to see.

A non-Fox source for Danchenko's arrest...
Russian analyst who worked with Christopher Steele charged with lying to FBI
What!? How did you get that? You might want to work on your reading comprehension.

As far as collusion goes I indicated that it likely did not happen.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
What!? How did you get that?
From your post, of course.
You might want to work on your reading comprehension.
Do you claim that you didn't dismiss one conspiracy as "nonsense"?
And yet you didn't allow for the Trump Russian conspiracy?

Let's look at your post...
"Serious conspiracy theory nonsense in that article.
And...
"Now there may not have been collusion between Russia and Trump."

Reading comprehension appears to be a problem.
But for whom?
As far as collusion goes I indicated that it likely did not happen.
That's not what you posted.
Let's look at it again....
"Now there may not have been collusion between Russia and Trump."

This only allows for the possibility of no collusion.
It certainly doesn't suggest that it "likely did not happen".
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Loon...Durham???

Support from Russia to Trump is unsubstantiated, and such a claim is actually "underhanded".

But no word about Joe and Hunter with their "underhanded deals from Moscow, Ucraine, China?
No word about Hilary Clinton getting Fusion GPS to create a false dossier against Trump and misusing the Intelligence agencies and Judiciary to deceive the American voters?
Not a single word about the crownies at CNN, MSNBC, ABS, and all the other far left anti American news networks?

I wonder why?
Loon...Durham???

Support from Russia to Trump is unsubstantiated, and such a claim is actually "underhanded".

But no word about Joe and Hunter with their "underhanded deals from Moscow, Ucraine, China?
No word about Hilary Clinton getting Fusion GPS to create a false dossier against Trump and misusing the Intelligence agencies and Judiciary to deceive the American voters?
Not a single word about the crownies at CNN, MSNBC, ABS, and all the other far left anti American news networks?

I wonder why?
Once again you are confused. Don't conflate Russian interference with Trump colluding with Russia. By the way, there was not enough evidence to prove collision. There does not appear to be any doubt about Russian interference. The FBI disagrees with you on this matter:

RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN 2016 U.S. ELECTIONS | Federal Bureau of Investigation

There is a Wikipedia article on it:

Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections - Wikipedia

Russia knew how incompetent Trump was. That is why they were pro-Trump. I can supply much more evidence. Trump did not have to collude with Russia for them to try to help him.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
From your post, of course.

Do you claim that you didn't dismiss one conspiracy as "nonsense"?
And yet you didn't allow for the Trump Russian conspiracy?

Let's look at your post...
"Serious conspiracy theory nonsense in that article.
And...
"Now there may not have been collusion between Russia and Trump."

Reading comprehension appears to be a problem.
But for whom?

That's not what you posted.
Let's look at it again....
"Now there may not have been collusion between Russia and Trump."

This only allows for the possibility of no collusion.
It certainly doesn't suggest that it "likely did not happen".
For you obviously. You even quoted the line that refuted you.

You charged me with supporting the collusion charge. There was insufficient evidence for it.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
For you obviously. You even quoted the line that refuted you.
You're claiming that...
"Now there may not have been collusion between Russia and Trump."
means collusion likely did not happen. Those are different statements.

In your sentence, there was no mention of anything relating
to probability. There was only the possibility of no collusion.
The primary definition of "likely" indicates high probability.
You've changed your meaning in objection to my critique.
Ref...
Definition of likely | Dictionary.com
Definition of LIKELY
likely

You reject only the one unfavorable to Hillary.
But you accept as possible the one unfavorable to Trump.
I reject both conspiracy theories as unevidenced.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
You're claiming that...
"Now there may not have been collusion between Russia and Trump."
means collusion likely did not happen. Those are different statements.

In your sentence, there was no mention of anything relating
to probability. There was only the possibility of no collusion.
The primary definition of "likely" indicates high probability.
You've changed your meaning in objection to my critique.
Ref...
Definition of likely | Dictionary.com
Definition of LIKELY
likely
Yes, it merely kept the possibility of it open. Mueller found insufficient evidence for collusion, but he did indicate that there was evidence of obstruction. Obstruction does not make one guilty of collusion, but it does not look good.

In the US evidence beyond a reasonable doubt must be found. Not finding that evidence only means that the state could not make its case. How did you go from keeping the possibility of collusion open to supporting conspiracy theories? That was an Olympics level jump on your part.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Weird sources in the OP. Here's some collusion examples. (collusion is different than conspiracy against US)

"1. Trump was receptive to a Campaign national security adviser’s (George Papadopoulos) pursuit of a back channel to Putin.

2. Kremlin operatives provided the Campaign a preview of the Russian plan to distribute stolen emails.

3. The Trump Campaign chairman and deputy chairman (Paul Manafort and Rick Gates) knowingly shared internal polling data and information on battleground states with a Russian spy; and the Campaign chairman worked with the Russian spy on a pro-Russia “peace” plan for Ukraine.

4. The Trump Campaign chairman periodically shared internal polling data with the Russian spy with the expectation it would be shared with Putin-linked oligarch, Oleg Deripaska.

5. Trump Campaign chairman Manafort expected Trump’s winning the presidency would mean Deripaska would want to use Manafort to advance Deripaska’s interests in the United States and elsewhere.

6. Trump Tower meeting: (1) On receiving an email offering derogatory information on Clinton coming from a Russian government official, Donald Trump Jr. “appears to have accepted that offer;” (2) members of the Campaign discussed the Trump Tower meeting beforehand; (3) Donald Trump Jr. told the Russians during the meeting that Trump could revisit the issue of the Magnitsky Act if elected.

7. A Trump Campaign official told the Special Counsel he “felt obliged to object” to a GOP Platform change on Ukraine because it contradicted Trump’s wishes; however, the investigation did not establish that Gordon was directed by Trump.

8. Russian military hackers may have followed Trump’s July 27, 2016 public statement “Russia if you’re listening …” within hours by targeting Clinton’s personal office for the first time.

9. Trump requested campaign affiliates to get Clinton’s emails, which resulted in an individual apparently acting in coordination with the Campaign claiming to have successfully contacted Russian hackers.

10. The Trump Campaign—and Trump personally—appeared to have advanced knowledge of future WikiLeaks releases.

11. The Trump Campaign coordinated campaign-related public communications based on future WikiLeaks releases.

12. Michael Cohen, on behalf of the Trump Organization, brokered a secret deal for a Trump Tower Moscow project directly involving Putin’s inner circle, at least until June 2016.

13. During the presidential transition, Jared Kushner and Eric Prince engaged in secret back channel communications with Russian agents. (1) Kushner suggested to the Russian Ambassador that they use a secure communication line from within the Russian Embassy to speak with Russian Generals; and (2) Prince and Kushner’s friend Rick Gerson conducted secret back channel meetings with a Putin agent to develop a plan for U.S.-Russian relations.

14. During the presidential transition, in coordination with other members of the Transition Team, Michael Flynn spoke with the Russian Ambassador to prevent a tit for tat Russian response to the Obama administration’s imposition of sanctions for election interference; the Russians agreed not to retaliate saying they wanted a good relationship with the incoming administration."

Guide to the Mueller Report’s Findings on “Collusion”
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I posted "allow for", not "support".
Read carefully, eh.
Yes, but you also used the term " conspiracy theory". A conspiracy theory is an idea with no evidentiary proof at all. There was evidence of collusion by the Trump campaign, but not enough to charge Trump. Look at the post prior to your latest post for some examples.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yes, but you also used the term " conspiracy theory". A conspiracy theory is an idea with no evidentiary proof at all. There was evidence of collusion by the Trump campaign, but not enough to charge Trump. Look at the post prior to your latest post for some examples.
Beating a dead horse.
 
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