So, The Russian voting interferance...

[Twilight Hue]

OK, If you struggle, let me assist.
What did Trump do wrong?

I struggle to see Biden's reason for stopping the border wall.
I struggle to see his reason to stop the USA being self sufficient in ennergy.
Why does he give the US technology on a platter to infringe personal propperty?
Why did he stop Alaskan oil, fracking, mexican gulf oil production, and made the USA dependent on imports. This act alone is destroying the world's economies due to high oil prices.
Why does he mandate the vaccine?
Why did he support defunding the police?
Embrace socialist spending, and lying about the cost? Remember, 3.8 Trillion dollars costs zero dollars!
Why is he silent on Afganistan, China, Russia, Hong Cong?
Why are the news networks silent on the corruption of Hunter, Joe and Joe's brother's?

Why the infiltration of CRT in your schools, and why the attempt to prohibit parents a say against socialist education.
Please, Biden did all these things due to his hatred for Trump, not because it was bad policies Trump achieved, but because of HATE!

And he dont care if every American looses their freedom in the policies he destroys and implements.

In South Africa we share all the stupid things Biden says and does!
It is a great joke to finally have a more stupid example of a President, than what we had with Jacob Zuma!
Yes, Joe Biden is more stupid than Zuma!

Who would have thought that such an honor would ever go to the United States of America.

South Africa versus USA on the stupid president contest, and Joe wins singlehandedly!

The bumbling POTUS , alongside a cadre of behind the scenes clearly inept puppeteers, dosent know what to do. It's quite simple to see givin the state of how things are right now.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Trump, an innocent man and champion of family values and the American Dream?

I struggle to understand how Donald Trump has managed to brand himself this way and people have fallen for it.

And Biden is somehow different in what respect as compared with Trump?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Beating a dead horse.

I know, but you do tend to do that when wrong.

 

[Revoltingest]

I know, but you do tend to do that when wrong.

Still trying to pretend you won something, eh.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

And Biden is somehow different in what respect as compared with Trump?

See post #9.

Edited to add: Don't take this as blind endorsement for Biden, only as a response to Trump being "innocent" and a defender of "American and family values."

Clearly, no president is perfect, and Biden is bound to disappoint me on things I think are important. Likely, there may be something unethical in his leadership or personal affairs; I cannot speak to these with the same amount of certainty as I can Trump's character as described in my post #9.

 

[Yazata]

...was concocted by a Russian agent, sold to Hillary clinton, and the media mob in the USA all lied through their teeth about Trump collussion with Russia!

We've known since long before the election that the whole thing was just a fanciful conspiracy theory.

Luckily William Bar and Durham did not stop investigating.

I'm less confident, I guess. Igor Danchenko just looks like a fall-guy to me. Indict a few people like him to look like you are accomplishing something, while the real architects of the whole thing go free. The real crimes here were committed at the top levels of the FBI and CIA. Brennan, Comey, Strozk, McCabe and Page at the very least, probably many more.

The FBI knew that the information that Danchenko was feeding Steele (Hillary's paid agent) was unreliable. Danchenko says that he told Steele that it was just speculation and things said over drinks and that he told the FBI the same thing when FBI agents interviewed him. Comey knew this. Yet the FISA court was provided the information to justify wiretaps on Trump's campaign and Presidential transition team, and was told that it was all based on reliable sources. Those are potential felonies right there. Unrelated people just heard speaking on the tapped lines were "unmasked" and their names leaked to the eager left-wing press who put it atop their front pages as "bombshells" for the self-styled "Resistance". (And now they have the nerve to lecture us on patiotism?!) More potential felonies.

The worst and most lasting effect of the whole thing was the corruption of the FBI and CIA. What once were the international gold standard in intelligence and law-enforcement agencies, widely thought of as hugely capable and incorruptable, have been revealed as the rather bumbling enforcement and dirty-tricks arms of the democratic party.

I'm not confident that American democracy can continue if that's the case. The US is in real danger of becoming something like Putin's Russia, where elections are still held for show, but the intelligence and police agencies ensure that only regime allies can win top offices.

The whole Democratic party knew about this treason against the USA, and it now seems as if Trump was correct in identifying the powers behind the US forces as the "Swamp".

Of course he was correct.

In the next 6 months, a lot of Democrat socialists and traitors will de sniffed out.

I'm not confident any longer that's the case. A few very minor figures for show, while the deepening corruption of the US government (and the media, and education...) continues unchecked.

I have just about zero confidence in the US federal government or any of its branches at this point.

 

[Jose Fly]

...was concocted by a Russian agent, sold to Hillary clinton, and the media mob in the USA all lied through their teeth about Trump collussion with Russia!

Luckily William Bar and Durham did not stop investigating.
The whole Democratic party knew about this treason against the USA, and it now seems as if Trump was correct in identifying the powers behind the US forces as the "Swamp".

In the next 6 months, a lot of Democrat socialists and traitors will de sniffed out.
Gregg Jarrett: The arrest of the man behind the phony dossier underscores the many lies of the Russia hoax

Huh....so I guess Senate Republicans were in on the plot as well?

Senate Intelligence Committee issues final report on Russian interference (rollcall.com)

 

[Jose Fly]

the conspiracy theory of Trump
colluding with Russia.

It's not a conspiracy theory, it's a documented fact that the Russians acted to help Trump in the 2016 election. Mueller documented over 100 examples of "collusion" between Russians and the Trump team. Heck, one of the most notorious was released to the public by Donald Trump Jr! Remember his email response after being told that Russia was working to help his dad where he replied "If it's what you say, I love it"? Do I need to post that?

Or how about Trump campaign CEO Paul Manafort giving internal polling data to Russian intelligence operatives?

What Mueller explained though is that while there was plenty of "collusion" going on, collusion by itself is not a crime. The crime would have been if the Trump campaign and Russia planned and conspired ahead of time to interfere in the election, and Mueller couldn't establish that, in part because so many people on the Trump team lied to investigators and destroyed evidence.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's not a conspiracy theory, it's a documented fact that the Russians acted to help Trump in the 2016 election. Mueller documented over 100 examples of "collusion" between Russians and the Trump team. .

I accept the claim that Russia tried to help him.
But you've not shown collusion.
Definition of collusion | Dictionary.com

 

[Kooky]

I struggle to understand how Donald Trump has managed to brand himself this way and people have fallen for it.

He's wealthy and Republican.

 

[Kooky]

The bumbling POTUS , alongside a cadre of behind the scenes clearly inept puppeteers, dosent know what to do. It's quite simple to see givin the state of how things are right now.

I thought you voted last time to bring the whole system crashing down ("using Trump as a stick of dynamite")?
Wouldn't an incompetent and inept president be a boon to that strategy?

 

[Jose Fly]

I accept the claim that Russia tried to help him.
But you've not shown collusion.
Definition of collusion | Dictionary.com

Have you read the Mueller report?

Mueller report - Wikipedia

There was plenty of coordination and interactions between the Russians and Trump's team; the investigators just couldn't establish an agreement or plan to do so ahead of time (IOW, an illegal conspiracy). And again, that was because so many on Trump's team lied to investigators and/or destroyed evidence.

If you want to defend all that and cry "conspiracy theory"......um...go right ahead I guess.

 

[Revoltingest]

Have you read the Mueller report?

No.
Feel free to excerpt portions that show actual collusion,
more than Russians merely trying to help Trump.
Your best effort was just an offhand quip...
"If it's what you say, I love it"

There was plenty of coordination and interactions between the Russians and Trump's team; the investigators just couldn't establish an agreement or plan to do so ahead of time (IOW, an illegal conspiracy). And again, that was because so many on Trump's team lied to investigators and/or destroyed evidence.

I consume a lot of news....left...right...in between.
Were there real hard evidence of collusion, it would've
been prominently covered. And one would've expected
it to arise in one of his impeachments. But it didn't.

If you want to defend all that and cry "conspiracy theory"......um...go right ahead I guess.

Until you can support the claim with more than the
dubious claims offered so far, it's a "conspiracy theory".

 

[Twilight Hue]

I thought you voted last time to bring the whole system crashing down ("using Trump as a stick of dynamite")?
Wouldn't an incompetent and inept president be a boon to that strategy?

Once it falls completely apart, it will be a boon and a relief. Then the country can heal.

 

[Kooky]

Once it falls completely apart, it will be a boon and a relief. Then the country can heal.

Is that a yes?

 

[Jose Fly]

No.
Feel free to excerpt portions that show actual collusion

Well there ya' go. If you can't be bothered to even look at the findings from the investigation we're discussing, there's not much else to discuss, is there?

You may as well be arguing over what's in the Bible, even though you've never read it.

Until you can support the claim with more than the
dubious claims offered so far, it's a "conspiracy theory".

If you're truly interested, you'll read the report. OTOH, if your main interest here is to try and save face in a debate, then you'll refuse to look and continue to try and deflect.

Just like arguing with creationists....."It's right here in this paper"......"I won't read it, you have to quote it for me".

 

[Twilight Hue]

Is that a yes?

It's called strategy. If this national cancer caused by the left stops, then my answer is yes.

So far there might be some cracks in the wall if Virginia is any indicator.

 

[Kooky]

It's called strategy. If this national cancer caused by the left stops, then my answer is yes.

So far there might be some cracks in the wall if Virginia is any indicator.

Aren't your frequent complaints an expression that you don't actually want this to happen, though?
Or are they just a theatrical performance?

 

[Revoltingest]

Well there ya' go. If you can't be bothered to even look at the findings from the investigation we're discussing, there's not much else to discuss, is there?

I know this trick.
Demand that I read some long report because you claim
the evidence is in there somewhere. Yet you don't excerpt
the salient portions you're supposedly familiar with.
I don't comply with this massive reading assignment.
You conveniently claim victory.
Your trick fails.

You may as well be arguing over what's in the Bible, even though you've never read it.

I needn't read the Bible to know that it's not science.
Were it so, believers would've made cromulent cases for it.
But they don't.
They can't.

If you're truly interested, you'll read the report. OTOH, if your main interest here is to try and save face in a debate, then you'll refuse to look and continue to try and deflect.

If you truly had evidence, you'd present it rather than refusing.

Just like arguing with creationists....."It's right here in this paper"......"I won't read it, you have to quote it for me".

Hey, you're the one who made it about my
not believing the Bible.

Your argument is essentially....
"It's true!"
"Research it for me to see that I'm right!"

 

[Twilight Hue]

Aren't your frequent complaints an expression that you don't actually want this to happen, though?
Or are they just a theatrical performance?

None of it.

It's a wait and see approach.