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So what’s so great about a Christian heaven?

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
What is great about Christian Heaven? Right is right there. There is no necessity in Heaven to trust something is true because it is well thought of or because many people believe it.

A quote from Einstein stimulated that thought. His quote:

The one who follows the crowd will usually get no further than the crowd.
The one who walks alone, is likely to find himself in places no one has ever been.

Heaven
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
What is great about Christian Heaven? Right is right there. There is no necessity in Heaven to trust something is true because it is well thought of or because many people believe it.

A quote from Einstein stimulated that thought. His quote:

The one who follows the crowd will usually get no further than the crowd.
The one who walks alone, is likely to find himself in places no one has ever been.

Heaven

correct me if i'm wrong...but aren't the crowds looking for heaven?
so in essence the ones who walk alone are those who say...i don't know what heaven is in order for me to recognize it.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
correct me if i'm wrong...but aren't the crowds looking for heaven?
so in essence the ones who walk alone are those who say...i don't know what heaven is in order for me to recognize it.


Actually, the crowds look to sin and do what is right in their own eyes. Heaven is freedom from sin.

Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. Matt. 7:13-14
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
Actually, the crowds look to sin and do what is right in their own eyes. Heaven is freedom from sin.

Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. Matt. 7:13-14

considering that most of the world population are theists...you stand corrected
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Knowing and imagining are very different.

Most people IMAGINE they are for God. That is what the "wide gate and broad way" means. I have read many posters claim theists make up who god is in their imagination. I think that is accurate. Do I? I don't know. Do I? How should I know? LOL
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
Knowing and imagining are very different.

Most people IMAGINE they are for God. That is what the "wide gate and broad way" means. I have read many posters claim theists make up who god is in their imagination. I think that is accurate. Do I? I don't know. Do I? How should I know? LOL

are you saying you know you don't know that you really truly know anything about god?
 

s2a

Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
You didn't mention your mind and spirit.
I assume those are terminal?
No afterlife for you?

Would you please do us all the courtesy of reading and responding to the OP if you might?

I have no interest nor concern in either validating your faith, nor dispelling your own.

I believe existence is “terminal”, yes. If you’d care to provide (not pious/insistent claims…but natural, physical, existent and tangible evidences subject to the objective rigors of scientific examination and repeatedly testable and independently verifiable results) of anything that has existed since the origin of the cosmos without “termination” to this very moment, I’d be intrigued enough to give it my full attentions.

If you assert there is an “afterlife”, you are again invited to lend answer to the OP as presented:)

If God is a spirit and if Man is made in God's image then man might be spirit too and these vessels of flesh are housing the spirit. Maybe man's thinking ability has been PUT INTO bodies like valuable things are put into boxes.

s2a have you ever considered maybe the spirit came first, and next the body?

I don't know, I'm just saying.

Wow… so, it’s the “chicken or the egg” conundrum you offer?

What purpose does religious adherence to any faith-based belief provide if it can not/will not/ does not provide answers of irrefutable certainty? Would you care to share your understanding of what is revealed to you as the "correct" answer?

Science can not offer (nor is structured to provide) such desires/wishes of unequivocal and absolute certitude regarding any existentially philosophical musings…

but, as you concede, you do not know… and that’s ok :)

Or do you?

Actually, the crowds look to sin and do what is right in their own eyes. Heaven is freedom from sin.

Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. Matt. 7:13-14

Well, so that’s what so great about a Christian Heaven? Freedom from sin? That should earn many converts to seek salvation and redemption, no doubt…

*ahem*

Just wondering… a little…

Might we tender a premise that a redeemed, forgiven, and saved Christian simply lock themselves in a sealed room (avoiding all contact with other “sinners”), engaged only in daily “conversations” and prayer with “God”…and with more than adequate provisions of food and water enough to last at minimum 200 years…, then essentially placed themselves within a realm free of “sin”, thusly having achieved “Heaven” as you suggest/define?

Or is there actually a bit more…especially within the context of the presented OP itself?


LOL! That is correct.

I know that my god has been good to me. That is all I know. (For sure)

Bully for you. sincerely.

Care to proselytize your good fortune now to folks not so “blessed”?

You know, to the thousands of children that die everyday from preventable water borne illness, disease, famine, abuse, and forcible rape? If they question what a “Christian Heaven” may offer them as alternative to the realties they face everyday, what do you offer as killer sales pitch? What will or should they expect in that realm to last for billions upon trillions of years?

Hmmmm?
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
I sometimes wonder if reincarnation is real. But not real in zillions of separate cycles but just once for all time. The world is so bad now for many people it is hard to near impossible to believe god is love and justice. So maybe we are witnessing the JUDGEMENT DAY. What do you think?

See my post on Revelation chapter six please.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/scriptural-debates/135899-revelation-6-1-2-a.html

the world has always been bad for those that are struggling...and imo, the struggle was the catalyst for the abrahamic vengeful and just god.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
the world has always been bad for those that are struggling...and imo, the struggle was the catalyst for the abrahamic vengeful and just god.

Struggle is good not bad. It is when there is nothing to struggle for that is bad. So I do not believe "the world has always been bad".

Bad is growing like cancer and the catalyst for it are those that "shut up the Kingdom of the heavens in men's faces"

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. Matthew 23:13

Is that not why Christ cried out (Matthew 27:46) , "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"--which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Would you please do us all the courtesy of reading and responding to the OP if you might?

I have no interest nor concern in either validating your faith, nor dispelling your own.

I believe existence is “terminal”, yes. If you’d care to provide (not pious/insistent claims…but natural, physical, existent and tangible evidences subject to the objective rigors of scientific examination and repeatedly testable and independently verifiable results) of anything that has existed since the origin of the cosmos without “termination” to this very moment, I’d be intrigued enough to give it my full attentions.

If you assert there is an “afterlife”, you are again invited to lend answer to the OP as presented:)

Hmmmm?

Hmmmm indeed.

And you are aware there is no evidence for matters of faith.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Hmmmm indeed.

And you are aware there is no evidence for matters of faith.


I met a young woman last weekend who is a graduate with a masters in psychology. She has never been on forum. There are people who don't know what it is. She was raised Catholic but she has no religious ties at present. The point is she hardly ever thinks of god belief. Like most people don't.

I told her there is a battle raging on internet forums about proof/no proof of the existence of God. And she said without a moments hesitation "spirit can't be proved". LOL :shrug:
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I met a young woman last weekend who is a graduate with a masters in psychology. She has never been on forum. There are people who don't know what it is. She was raised Catholic but she has no religious ties at present. The point is she hardly ever thinks of god belief. Like most people don't.

I told her there is a battle raging on internet forums about proof/no proof of the existence of God. And she said without a moments hesitation "spirit can't be proved". LOL :shrug:

Education and no faith?
Plenty of that going around.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Education and no faith?
Plenty of that going around.

I am uneducated and have more faith than I know what to do with. ;)

My point was forum posters keep on trying to prove something that can't be proved. And the other side keeps on asking for something that can't be done. That lovely lady (I did not think she was faithless) KNEW something that religious people just don't get. Spirit can't be proved. Because she knows that I thought her faith is mighty strong.
 
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