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So What is Europe Supposed to Do, Exactly?

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
Perhaps, but we are nowhere near your apocalyptic description of these countries.
Perhaps you could have a world with my PM, tell Mrs May to stop funding religious schools; that would be a start.
I would love to.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
Without enough integration, that is a distinct possibility.

A good argument for the importance of integration. Never for "closed borders".
Muslims won't integrate, this is the problem. With third or fourth gen Polish immigrants one can't even tell their family were once immigrants. This simply isn't the case with Muslims.
 

The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
I agree but every attempt to link Islamism to Islam is consistently met with accusations of racism, Islamophobia, bigotry and ignorance.
True, it is, but this is where we need to just stop caring. I've noticed for a while that the typical accusations of racism, bigotry, ignorance, sexism, and whatever else the Extreme Left throws at people are empty buzz-words. A tactic of "agree with me or you're this socially bad thing!" It's losing it's effect, I think. If what's being said an accused can be shown and factually supported, then no amount of name-calling should be able to silence it.

Ideally, that is.
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
So Europe has this problem. It's called Islamic terrorism. Terrorist attacks carried out by Muslims are now a common feature in the news and other places. We also have a mostly Muslim migrant crisis that is filling Europe full of Daesh supporters who disguise themselves as moderates.

When we say we want to stop Islamic immigration we are called racists.

So what exactly is Europe supposed to do?

There are countries with very strict immigration laws like Poland and Hungary - these places have far, far fewer Islamic terrorist attacks than France, Germany and the UK, who allow in many more migrants then Hungary and Poland.

But we're all racists for proposing that it has something to do with Islam and 'refugees'.

So, again, what is it that Europe is supposed to do, according to these Islamophiles?
I reckon I'm among the people who you would call Islamophiles. I'm not too keen on Islam itself but I find that I like Muslims with around the same frequency as other groups of people.

I agree that we should prevent people entering who are Islamists. Stopping Muslims from entering the country completely seems unjust, however. We won't protect anyone by treating a massive chunk of humanity as a threat.

I'm in the UK, like you I believe, and I think that it would make sense to deport any foreign national confirmed as a member or supporter of Islamist/jihadi organisation. As I would suggest we should deport any foreign national who is a member of a nutter organisation.

Most of the rest is upto the police, security and intelligence agencies. I'd like to see more done to expose people using their position within Muslim communities to radicalise people and spread intolerance and hate. Here's an interesting call between Maajid Nawaz and Tommy Robinson on LBC (
) where they talk about Abdul Qadir Baksh and both seem to agree that the guy's a fanatical headcase yet he works in a kind of consultant capacity to the police and to MPs. (Note that neither the police or the Conservative Government are leftist organisations).

I'd like for us, the Europeans, Muslim and non-Muslim, stick up for the principles of tolerance and peace. But the left is caught in some strange loop involving their own dippy ideas about oppression, minority rights, and universalism while the right has went gung-ho-anti-Muslim-let's-start-a-war-of-civilisations mental.
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
Western European nations need to go back in time a few decades and retool their immigration and socialist policies regarding immigrants. Barring that, they can still do that now, but it's still going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

You cannot let millions of immigrants from vastly different cultures into your country, provide them no real opportunities, have no push for rational integration,but still make it feasible for them to survive off the state.

The policies which allowed for such massive immigration were based off of incorrect ideas and assumptions from the start, and have continued to be so. Nor, will anything change without doing something differently.
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
Western European nations need to go back in time a few decades and retool their immigration and socialist policies regarding immigrants. Barring that, they can still do that now, but it's still going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

You cannot let millions of immigrants from vastly different cultures into your country, provide them no real opportunities, have no push for rational integration,but still make it feasible for them to survive off the state.

The policies which allowed for such massive immigration were based off of incorrect ideas and assumptions from the start, and have continued to be so. Nor, will anything change without doing something differently.
I always thought mass immigration was about getting more cattle for the farm and creating surplus labour for the big boys to play with.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
Muslims won't integrate, this is the problem. With third or fourth gen Polish immigrants one can't even tell their family were once immigrants. This simply isn't the case with Muslims.

This is quite the blanket statement. Surely it is obvious to you that there are huge numbers of British-born Muslims who are integrated. And many that were born abroad too, for that matter. Sure there is a problem proportionally, but to say that Muslims do not integrate full stop is somewhat ridiculous. I know plenty of Muslim Brits myself.
 

Magus

Active Member
For some reason Jews lost their middle-eastern Brown Skin and became Polish people, who knows how they changed skin so fast, an obvious cliche for a Jew to create a racist thread about the colour of skin, maybe they jealous of how Palestinians are authentically 'Semitic' belonging to the temperate of Israel-Philistia ( Gk Syria Palestine).
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
For some reason Jews lost their middle-eastern Brown Skin and became Polish people, who knows how they changed skin so fast, an obvious cliche for a Jew to create a racist thread about the colour of skin, maybe they jealous of how Palestinians are authentically 'Semitic' belonging to the temperate of Israel-Philistia ( Gk Syria Palestine).
Uh, that has no clear connection with the this thread, beyond being sort of puzzling in and of itself.

You know that the Jewish People are united by faith, not ethnic composition, right?
 

Magus

Active Member
Uh, that has no clear connection with the this thread, beyond being sort of puzzling in and of itself.

You know that the Jewish People are united by faith, not ethnic composition, right?

What did OP say 'One can't even tell their family were once immigrants. This simply isn't the case with Muslims.'

Cos there brown? Is that why Sikhs and Indus are often mistaken for Muslims and attacked, but a
also not forget how intertwined Jews are with all these so-called 'Defence leagues'
like the 'English Defence League, an affiliate of the ADL 'Anti-Defamation League'

Is that why Israel flags are a common prop among all these 'Leagues' around the world.

Who is really inciting hatred around the world, the hypocrites.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
What did OP say 'One can't even tell their family were once immigrants. This simply isn't the case with Muslims.'

Cos there brown? Is that why Sikhs and Indus are often mistaken for Muslims and attacked, but a
also not forget how intertwined Jews are with all these so-called 'Defence leagues'
like the 'English Defence League, an affiliate of the ADL 'Anti-Defamation League'

Is that why Israel flags are a common prop among all these 'Leagues' around the world.

Who is really inciting hatred around the world, the hypocrites.

Wtf are you saying?
 

Magus

Active Member
Wtf are you saying?

Here is the source of fascism in England
Tommy-and-Father-N_wm.jpg


Read his shirt, 'Israel Defense Force' .

I am English, pure and bred from Hull and i often visited a Sikh Temple, which was stormed by knives wielding fascists confusing them with Muslims affiliated
with the all these Jewish leagues

How can English people be so blind.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
Here is the source of fascism in England
Tommy-and-Father-N_wm.jpg


Read his shirt, 'Israel Defense Force' .

I am English, pure and bred from Hull and i often visited a Sikh Temple, which was stormed by knives wielding fascists confusing them with Muslims affiliated
with the all these Jewish leagues

How can English people be so blind.

According to this, they are not really a fascist organisation.


Core values

  • Defense of the State, its Citizens and its Residents – "The IDF's goal is to defend the existence of the State of Israel, its independence and the security of the citizens and residents of the state."
  • Love of the Homeland and Loyalty to the Country – "At the core of service in the IDF stand the love of the homeland and the commitment and devotion to the State of Israel-a democratic state that serves as a national home for the Jewish People-its citizens and residents."
  • Human Dignity – "The IDF and its soldiers are obligated to protect human dignity. Every human being is of value regardless of his or her origin, religion, nationality, gender, status or position."

The 11 key points highlighted in the article and educational material mentioned above:

  1. Military action can be taken only against military targets.
  2. The use of force must be proportional.
  3. Soldiers may only use weaponry they were issued by the IDF.
  4. Anyone who surrenders cannot be attacked.
  5. Only those who are properly trained can interrogate prisoners.
  6. Soldiers must accord dignity and respect to the Palestinian population and those arrested.
  7. Soldiers must give appropriate medical care, when conditions allow, to themselves and to enemies.
  8. Pillaging is absolutely and totally illegal.
  9. Soldiers must show proper respect for religious and cultural sites and artifacts.
  10. Soldiers must protect international aid workers, including their property and vehicles.
  11. Soldiers must report all violations of this code.

Israel Defense Forces - Wikipedia
 

Magus

Active Member
According to this, they are not really a fascist organisation.


Core values

  • Defense of the State, its Citizens and its Residents – "The IDF's goal is to defend the existence of the State of Israel, its independence and the security of the citizens and residents of the state."
  • Love of the Homeland and Loyalty to the Country – "At the core of service in the IDF stand the love of the homeland and the commitment and devotion to the State of Israel-a democratic state that serves as a national home for the Jewish People-its citizens and residents."
  • Human Dignity – "The IDF and its soldiers are obligated to protect human dignity. Every human being is of value regardless of his or her origin, religion, nationality, gender, status or position."

The 11 key points highlighted in the article and educational material mentioned above:

  1. Military action can be taken only against military targets.
  2. The use of force must be proportional.
  3. Soldiers may only use weaponry they were issued by the IDF.
  4. Anyone who surrenders cannot be attacked.
  5. Only those who are properly trained can interrogate prisoners.
  6. Soldiers must accord dignity and respect to the Palestinian population and those arrested.
  7. Soldiers must give appropriate medical care, when conditions allow, to themselves and to enemies.
  8. Pillaging is absolutely and totally illegal.
  9. Soldiers must show proper respect for religious and cultural sites and artifacts.
  10. Soldiers must protect international aid workers, including their property and vehicles.
  11. Soldiers must report all violations of this code.

Israel Defense Forces - Wikipedia

'Love of Homeland' 'Loyalty to a man made division of a piece of land' and 'flag worship', all of which is fascism, Patriotism is also a cancerous disease, Human dignity but never respect the right of a healthy new born baby, they painfully mutilate their foreskins without consent, if they abuse children like that, they are capable of doing anything.
 
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