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Social conservative and fiscal liberal?

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Basically the opposite of American libertarianism.

Generally, I'm pretty socially conservative. I'm for strong national defense and interventionism when human rights are being abused, support deporting illegal immigrants and tightening up restrictions on legal immigration, making English the official language and only printing government documents in English (exceptions can be made to protect and uphold the culture of indigenous peoples on a local scale), I'm pro-death penalty and support expanding it for certain crimes, I'm pro-life (with an exception to save the life of the mother when both mother and child would die; it's sad but at least the mother should be saved), I'm generally opposed to euthanasia because it seems to promote a culture of suicide, more restrictions on the sex industry and programs to help sex workers leave it and to combat human trafficking at home and abroad, I support LGBT rights but do so to assimilate LGBT people into mainstream society and thereby make it a non-issue (I'm opposed to identity politics in general), support combating hard drug use by going to war with drug cartels and traffickers and providing rehabilitation programs for drug addicts, I support harshly combating urban street gangs and to support inner city faith groups in outreach to urban youth to keep them off the streets and set them on a better path, etc.

Economically, I'm more progressive. I support universal public healthcare and a system similar to the NHS in the UK, I support a progressive taxation system with higher taxes for the rich and superrich than for the middle-class and poor, I support breaking up large monopolies, I support penalizing companies that outsource American jobs, I support protectionism, I'm for stripping corporations of being defined as "persons", I'm for campaign finance reform, I'm for massive public works projects, I'm generally opposed to "free trade" and support repealing NAFTA, I'm opposed to GMOs and patenting of seeds and instead support small-scale family owned farms, I'm for promoting grassroots programs to revitalize inner city and impoverished communities, etc.

Anyway, you kind of get the picture of where I stand.

Obviously, I don't fit in with either the Democrats or the Republicans generally. I'm not a social progressive, I'm not a free market capitalist (morally, I have a lot of problems with capitalism, period, but I'm certainly no Marxist), etc.

So where do I fit in? What do I call myself? Which party is closest to my views? It's all very frustrating.
 

gsa

Well-Known Member
I don't think you fit very well into the American political system. In Europe you might be a Marine Le Pen supporter (National Front in France) or the Nouvelle Droite generally. Note that the latter are explicitly anti-Christian and consider it to be an "alien ideology." Plenty of Catholic traditionalists in the NF though.
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Basically the opposite of American libertarianism.

Generally, I'm pretty socially conservative. I'm for strong national defense and interventionism when human rights are being abused, support deporting illegal immigrants and tightening up restrictions on legal immigration, making English the official language and only printing government documents in English (exceptions can be made to protect and uphold the culture of indigenous peoples on a local scale),.
ugh. The Founding Fathers would not be pleased with this.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I don't think you fit very well into the American political system. In Europe you might be a Marine Le Pen supporter (National Front in France) or the Nouvelle Droite generally. Note that the latter are explicitly anti-Christian and consider it to be an "alien ideology." Plenty of Catholic traditionalists in the NF though.
Yeah, I suppose I do fall under the European definition of far-right, with some caveats. I'm quite sick of American politics, anyway.
 
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9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Basically the opposite of American libertarianism.

Generally, I'm pretty socially conservative. I'm for strong national defense and interventionism when human rights are being abused, support deporting illegal immigrants and tightening up restrictions on legal immigration, making English the official language and only printing government documents in English (exceptions can be made to protect and uphold the culture of indigenous peoples on a local scale), I'm pro-death penalty and support expanding it for certain crimes, I'm pro-life (with an exception to save the life of the mother when both mother and child would die; it's sad but at least the mother should be saved), I'm generally opposed to euthanasia because it seems to promote a culture of suicide, more restrictions on the sex industry and programs to help sex workers leave it and to combat human trafficking at home and abroad, I support LGBT rights but do so to assimilate LGBT people into mainstream society and thereby make it a non-issue (I'm opposed to identity politics in general), support combating hard drug use by going to war with drug cartels and traffickers and providing rehabilitation programs for drug addicts, I support harshly combating urban street gangs and to support inner city faith groups in outreach to urban youth to keep them off the streets and set them on a better path, etc.

Economically, I'm more progressive. I support universal public healthcare and a system similar to the NHS in the UK, I support a progressive taxation system with higher taxes for the rich and superrich than for the middle-class and poor, I support breaking up large monopolies, I support penalizing companies that outsource American jobs, I support protectionism, I'm for stripping corporations of being defined as "persons", I'm for campaign finance reform, I'm for massive public works projects, I'm generally opposed to "free trade" and support repealing NAFTA, I'm opposed to GMOs and patenting of seeds and instead support small-scale family owned farms, I'm for promoting grassroots programs to revitalize inner city and impoverished communities, etc.

Anyway, you kind of get the picture of where I stand.

Obviously, I don't fit in with either the Democrats or the Republicans generally. I'm not a social progressive, I'm not a free market capitalist (morally, I have a lot of problems with capitalism, period, but I'm certainly no Marxist), etc.

So where do I fit in? What do I call myself? Which party is closest to my views? It's all very frustrating.
Honestly - and I hope you don't take this as an insult - this sounds closer to fascism than any other label I can think of.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Irrelevant comment here.... but colour me surprised, mate.

Cheers.
Yeah, I've taken a hard swerve to the right in recent months. I don't feel that fascism is necessarily the correct label, though, since I don't worship the State and oppose the crushing of individualism. The State should serve the people, not the people the State.
 
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SageTree

Spiritual Friend
Premium Member
If you've veered recently, slow cook it for a little bit and season is sparingly.... Don't get too hot or salty too fast :p

Any experiences or information steer you, that you've encountered?
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
....... care to share or trying to not make this a proselytizing thread? :D
It's hard to explain and I don't want to get into a debate about it (hence, why I didn't post this in the political debate forum).

But, for example, my feelings on immigration. I live in a city where there's a large amount of immigrants from Muslim Africa and Nepalese. I lived in a neighborhood where it quickly turned mostly immigrant. It was horrible. Most of them, especially the Nepalese, obviously hated Americans and their hatred was so strong that I could feel it coming off them in waves when I was outside. A lot of these people aren't interested in being Americans and just live off the government and have their rent paid by refugee orgs and the landlords get tax breaks. Meanwhile, hard working Americans and vets can't get health care, can't pay the bills, are homeless and don't have food. This enrages me. The government has obviously betrayed the American people.

I'm also alarmed at the breakdown of the family (which effects me in a very personal way), capitalistic greed, Islamic extremism, declining birthrates in the West, the rise of hedonism and nihilism, out of control political correctness, ridiculous ivory tower leftist academia, etc. There's a lot. But I know why I believe the things I do.

As for what I've been reading, it's things like this:
Defend the Modern World | From Islamists, Communists, Collectivists and Nihilists.
Refugee Resettlement Watch
Reflections on the Revolution In Europe: Immigration, Islam and the West: Christopher Caldwell: 9780307276759: Amazon.com: Books
Bruce Bower
Robert Spencer
Mark Steyn
I even agree with Sam Harris on a lot of things.
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
The Founding Fathers are/were not infallible beings with perfect ideas.
Obviously not. But the groundwork they laid allows for a state not to slip into the degenerate throws of nationalism. Once you start defining what an "American" is, what he should speak and such, you sow seeds for "us" and "them" mentality.

Nothing has been more destructive on this earth than Nationalism, and it's the duty of every rational individual to fight it tooth & claw.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Obviously not. But the groundwork they laid allows for a state not to slip into the degenerate throws of nationalism. Once you start defining what an "American" is, what he should speak and such, you sow seeds for "us" and "them" mentality.

Nothing has been more destructive on this earth than Nationalism, and it's the duty of every rational individual to fight it tooth & claw.
Complete nonsense.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
You don't want me to start posting examples. I don't even need to invoke Godwin.
Nationalism isn't Fascism or National Socialism. Those ideologies include types of nationalism, but are not nationalism itself. To me, to be a nationalist is to uphold your culture and civilization and not sell out your people.
 
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