Social conservative and fiscal liberal?

[Nietzsche]

Nationalism isn't Fascism or National Socialism. Those ideologies include types of nationalism, but are not nationalism itself. To me, to be a nationalist is to uphold your culture and civilization and not sell out your people.

Nationalism is the upholding of ones' own culture to the detriment of other ones.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Nationalism is the upholding of ones' own culture to the detriment of other ones.

No, it isn't. If you think that, it's because you're reading into it what isn't there in the first place.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Nothing has been more destructive on this earth than Nationalism, and it's the duty of every rational individual to fight it tooth & claw.

So true. Nationalism is just one more thing that gets in the way of us being able to come together as a unified human race. At best it's an impediment in realizing we are all one, at worse it's hell for someone who isn't that identity. Typically it is a tool of the state to subdue to masses into docility.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Okay, guys. This isn't meant to be a debate about nationalism. This thread about me trying to figure out what I am politically and which political party, if any, is best for me.

 

[xkatz]

So true. Nationalism is just one more thing that gets in the way of us being able to come together as a unified human race. At best it's an impediment in realizing we are all one, at worse it's hell for someone who isn't that identity. Typically it is a tool of the state to subdue to masses into docility.

No that's cultural marxism you're thinking about.

 

[metis]

So where do I fit in? What do I call myself? Which party is closest to my views? It's all very frustrating.

It's impossible for me to say since just because you may support X and be against Y, we don't know the intensity that you feel with either.

BTW, I'm the opposite of you as I'm socially quite liberal but economically quite conservative, both macro- and micro-.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It's impossible for me to say since just because you may support X and be against Y, we don't know the intensity that you feel with either.

BTW, I'm the opposite of you as I'm socially quite liberal but economically quite conservative, both macro- and micro-.

I don't see what the intensity of a belief has to do with anything.

 

[metis]

I don't see what the intensity of a belief has to do with anything.

What I meant by that is that certain things may be more important to us than some other things. For example, there are people we call "single-issue voters", whereas probably most of us don't put all of our political eggs in one basket. Capisci?

 

[SageTree]

Thanks for your reply. In respect to you not starting a debate with your post, I'll leave it at that.

Even when I have differing views topics, I super appreciate knowing what is forming folk's view.

Which is to say sometimes I'm more interested in the process of their formation,
that the views themselves....

I guess if I were to add something (which means I'm about to)..... and not because you are 'wrong'... but just because.


I'd say remember compassion, and have a deconstructivist mind....
being critical of where information comes from, for or against your views.

Sometimes news isn't information and so-called information is little more that a mere headline.

tl;dr - It's good to keep an eye on the person serving the kool-aid on all sides.

Bless up.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

What I meant by that is that certain things may be more important to us than some other things. For example, there are people we call "single-issue voters", whereas probably most of us don't put all of our political eggs in one basket. Capisci?

Oh, I get what you mean. I'm not a single-issue voter.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Thanks for your reply. In respect to you not starting a debate with your post, I'll leave it at that.

Even when I have differing views topics, I super appreciate knowing what is forming folk's view.

Which is to say sometimes I'm more interested in the process of their formation,
that the views themselves....

I guess if I were to add something (which means I'm about to)..... and not because you are 'wrong'... but just because.


I'd say remember compassion, and have a deconstructivist mind....
being critical of where information comes from, for or against your views.

Sometimes news isn't information and so-called information is little more that a mere headline.

tl;dr - It's good to keep an eye on the person serving the kool-aid on all sides.

Bless up.

Definitely. I'm always questioning and checking sources.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I don't think you fit very well into the American political system. In Europe you might be a Marine Le Pen supporter (National Front in France) or the Nouvelle Droite generally. Note that the latter are explicitly anti-Christian and consider it to be an "alien ideology." Plenty of Catholic traditionalists in the NF though.

This article explains why I don't fit into the American right-wing: Comparative far right politics, US and Europe | Jason Farago | World news | The Guardian

The American right-wing is obsessed with free market capitalism, individualism and is happy in bed with the "1%". Only the American left provides some sort of opposition to that but I'm not a leftist when it comes to social issues. So when it comes to elections, no matter who I vote for, I would always have to chose either my social beliefs or my economic beliefs and disregard the other half. This is bs.

European right-wing ideas need to spread to America. We need our own National Front.

 

[Curious George]

Basically the opposite of American libertarianism.

Generally, I'm pretty socially conservative. I'm for strong national defense and interventionism when human rights are being abused, support deporting illegal immigrants and tightening up restrictions on legal immigration, making English the official language and only printing government documents in English (exceptions can be made to protect and uphold the culture of indigenous peoples on a local scale), I'm pro-death penalty and support expanding it for certain crimes, I'm pro-life (with an exception to save the life of the mother when both mother and child would die; it's sad but at least the mother should be saved), I'm generally opposed to euthanasia because it seems to promote a culture of suicide, more restrictions on the sex industry and programs to help sex workers leave it and to combat human trafficking at home and abroad, I support LGBT rights but do so to assimilate LGBT people into mainstream society and thereby make it a non-issue (I'm opposed to identity politics in general), support combating hard drug use by going to war with drug cartels and traffickers and providing rehabilitation programs for drug addicts, I support harshly combating urban street gangs and to support inner city faith groups in outreach to urban youth to keep them off the streets and set them on a better path, etc.

Economically, I'm more progressive. I support universal public healthcare and a system similar to the NHS in the UK, I support a progressive taxation system with higher taxes for the rich and superrich than for the middle-class and poor, I support breaking up large monopolies, I support penalizing companies that outsource American jobs, I support protectionism, I'm for stripping corporations of being defined as "persons", I'm for campaign finance reform, I'm for massive public works projects, I'm generally opposed to "free trade" and support repealing NAFTA, I'm opposed to GMOs and patenting of seeds and instead support small-scale family owned farms, I'm for promoting grassroots programs to revitalize inner city and impoverished communities, etc.

Anyway, you kind of get the picture of where I stand.

Obviously, I don't fit in with either the Democrats or the Republicans generally. I'm not a social progressive, I'm not a free market capitalist (morally, I have a lot of problems with capitalism, period, but I'm certainly no Marxist), etc.

So where do I fit in? What do I call myself? Which party is closest to my views? It's all very frustrating.

I am not so sure that anyone can fit squarely into any political sphere, that is why so many believe they are not party affiliated. But a couple things piqued my curiosity here- you state stances on issues but stances do not line up with party lines. People on both sides of the aisle align themselves with different stances on certain topics. In general we can see trends which we then attribute to party lines but this is largely glitter and gold in order to streamline voters and to create an illusion of mutual exclusivity. Either party caters to specific groups in order to maintain support. I think that if you examined most people's political stances you will find they also do not fit into any box. What are your opinions regarding the government's role in the protection of the environment/ wildlife? What are your opinions regarding the role of government restriction of free speech? What are your views regarding the separation of church and state? What are your views regarding education? What are your views regarding gun laws? The list goes on. I think that if you look through enough views you will find yourself agreeing with the socially progressive in some spheres and the socially conservative in others.

 

[Yerda]

Okay, guys. This isn't meant to be a debate about nationalism. This thread about me trying to figure out what I am politically and which political party, if any, is best for me.

Party politics is a trap. Much better to get involved in the community and on national level on an issue by issue basis where possible.