Socialist Netflix propaganda at it's 'Best'.

[Valjean]

Go back to the revelant thread. I'm not doing homework for you.

Do you really think banning plastic bags is tyranny? Don't you think controlling harmful behavior is a legitimate duty of government?

 

[tytlyf]

Do you really think banning plastic bags is tyranny? Don't you think controlling harmful behavior is a legitimate duty of government?

Mention 'paper straws' and they'll really get triggered

 

[Kenny]

What isn't sharing and caring?
Robbing and uncaring is anti-social; it's the opposite of socialism.

It's corporations that seek to extract as much profit as possible. It's the Republican "trickle up" policies that are eroding the middle class, destroying unions, and producing stagnant wages. The system you seem to endorse is competitive; dog-eat-dog -- with everyone exploiting everyone else. It's an uncaring, sink-or-swim system.
Socialism is family values, with everyone working together for the common good. What's wrong with that?

The whole point of a society is co-operation rather than competition or exploitation. Socialism doesn't rob. On the contrary, it seeks to provide the necessities of life wholesale, to everyone, as a non-profit co-op.

That's what the cover said, I'm talking about implementation results. And since we have family in Venezuela, I can vouch that it isn't about family values or everyone working for the common good.

It's long lines to get bare food essentials, it's lack of medical needs, it's indoctrination and control

 

[metis]

A reminder that there are various forms of socialism that must be dove-tailed with some form of political system, and not all political systems are the same. The main thrust of socialism is to try and help people economically through a process of sharing and cooperation, so the minute that a political system doesn't do that they are going against what socialism is really largely about. So, in regards to what's happening in Venezuela that's so nasty is not what socialism is doing but what the political system was and is doing.

BTW, it seems that Jesus taught a lot about sharing and cooperation, plus we know that the apostles shared their incomes, according to Acts. OTOH, I don't see anywhere in the gospels anything about him endorsing dog-eat-dog laissez-faire-type survival-of-the-fittest capitalism. Maybe a misprint?

 

[Nakosis]

Wrong. Capitalism is all about greed at the expense of others. Reduce safety laws and oversight on corporations = enhance profits at the expense of safety for the American people.
Why do you think republicans think climate change is a hoax? Capitalism. Lie, deny the problem exists for profit reasons. Who suffers? The American people.
Hell no don't raise the minimum wage! Capitalist position. Paying American workers a decent wage would hurt profits, it's easier to lobby to make sure laws don't change.

That's the problem with the republican party, the wealthy elite who want to cheat the system as much as possible. For greed reasons.

Not all billionaires support the republican party, I'd still call them capitalists. Just not to the extreme of hurting American people in the process for wealth creation.

The wealthy elite doesn't have any say in how much money I make or my life really. Companies like Apple make their billions by providing people what they want to pay for. People have control over who they work for and what they buy. You want to demonized big corporations but they are nothing without the masses to support them.

The capitalist position is one of being self-sufficient. Someone has to create the wealth, someone has to create the jobs to keep the economy going. The better one is at these things, which in turn helps everyone around them, the more capitalism rewards them.

Sure there are exceptions. However you, the people of a country have the capability of dealing with those that take greed to the extent that it starts to cause harm. If you don't like how things are running in a capitalist system, look in the mirror.

 

[tytlyf]

The wealthy elite doesn't have any say in how much money I make or my life really. Companies like Apple make their billions by providing people what they want to pay for. People have control over who they work for and what they buy. You want to demonized big corporations but they are nothing without the masses to support them.

The capitalist position is one of being self-sufficient. Someone has to create the wealth, someone has to create the jobs to keep the economy going. The better one is at these things, which in turn helps everyone around them, the more capitalism rewards them.

Sure there are exceptions. However you, the people of a country have the capability of dealing with those that take greed to the extent that it starts to cause harm. If you don't like how things are running in a capitalist system, look in the mirror.

The American people make these corporations what they are. Without the middle class, they would be out of business. Capitalism isn't all bad, but when it reaches a certain level greed takes over and that's when problems arise.

Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, etc are all capitalists. But you'll notice they support policies that benefit the American people. Give billions to charity, etc. Then you have the other side of the aisle, where you get the opposite. Trump is a classic example of a greedy capitalist who will do anything to step on American people for profit. Doesn't donate to charity, fraud, sticking it to the American people.

GOP = Greed Over Principle

 

[Nakosis]

The American people make these corporations what they are. Without the middle class, they would be out of business. Capitalism isn't all bad, but when it reaches a certain level greed takes over and that's when problems arise.

Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, etc are all capitalists. But you'll notice they support policies that benefit the American people. Give billions to charity, etc. Then you have the other side of the aisle, where you get the opposite. Trump is a classic example of a greedy capitalist who will do anything to step on American people for profit. Doesn't donate to charity, fraud, sticking it to the American people.

GOP = Greed Over Principle

Could be true of any individual. I prefer not throwing everyone into the same bucket. Ok, except politicians. I tend to throw them all into the same bucket even though I know I shouldn't.

I accept there are bad actors, but we should single them out IMO. If we toss them all into the same pool the actual bad folks gain anonymity. Then we can't identify the actual problem to solve.

 

[Valjean]

The wealthy elite doesn't have any say in how much money I make or my life really. Companies like Apple make their billions by providing people what they want to pay for. People have control over who they work for and what they buy. You want to demonized big corporations but they are nothing without the masses to support them.

The wealthy elite work very hard to control the money you make. They hire part time employees to avoid paying benefits, they bust unions and promote 'right-to-work' legislation. They oppose raising the minimum wage. They oppose health and safety regulation. Worker productivity is much greater today than it was decades ago. The average worker produces much more value for the employer, but his wages have remained stagnant.

Apple? Apple makes its money by assembling most of its products in China using low wage, no benefit workers, sheltering its tax burden and charging exorbitant prices.

Many people have little control over whom they work for or their working conditions. They often have to take whatever the employer will offer -- if they can find work at all.

In the '60s you could support yourself on a minimum wage, today, not so much.
True, 'the masses' support corporations, but on the corporations' terms. Corporations are exploitative. They seek to reduce expenses and maximize profits -- by any means possible. They're less interested in the welfare of workers than in stock returns to investors.

The capitalist position is one of being self-sufficient. Someone has to create the wealth, someone has to create the jobs to keep the economy going. The better one is at these things, which in turn helps everyone around them, the more capitalism rewards them.

The capitalist position is to make money, by minimize costs and maximize profits. Without regulation we'd be back in the Gilded Age America or Dickensian England, with low wages, no job security, and no health or safety regulations.
Capitalists, unlike socialists, don't share the wealth.

 

[Nakosis]

The wealthy elite work very hard to control the money you make. They hire part time employees to avoid paying benefits, they bust unions and promote 'right-to-work' legislation. They oppose raising the minimum wage. They oppose health and safety regulation. Worker productivity is much greater today than it was decades ago, but wages haven't kept pace.
Apple? Apple makes its money by assembling most of its products in China using low wage, no benefit workers, sheltering its tax burden and charging exorbitant prices.
Many people have little control over whom they work for or their working conditions. They often have to take whatever the employer will offer -- if they can find work at all.
In the '60s you could support yourself on a minimum wage, today, not so much.
True, 'the masses' support corporations, but on the corporations' terms. Corporations are exploitative. They seek to reduce expenses and maximize profits -- by any means possible. They're less interested in the welfare of workers than in stock returns to investors.

Become an investor to share in the wealth and or start your own business. Personally, I've never made minimum wage. Knowing I couldn't make a living from it. I learned everything so having me around was a benefit to the company I worked for so they willingly paid me more.

The capitalist position is to make money, by minimize costs and maximize profits.

Should be everyone's position.

Without regulation we'd be back in the Gilded Age America or Dickensian England, with low wages, no job security, and no health or safety regulations.

No worries there, we have plenty of regulation.

Capitalists, unlike socialists, don't share the wealth.

Socialists don't have wealth to share.

The folks of the US (a capitalist economy) actually contribute a lot to charity. By minimizing costs and maximizing profits they have the extra money to share.

 

[Valjean]

"The capitalist position is to make money, by minimize costs and maximize profits."

Should be everyone's position.

It is an anti-social position. We'd have no society, and our lives of dog-eat-dog competition would be nasty, brutish and short. It's a zero sum position, with a few winners and many losers.

No worries there, we have plenty of regulation.

We do not. Corporatists have been steadily rolling back New Deal and Great Society workers' rights regulations.

Socialists don't have wealth to share.

Seriously?

 

[ChristineM]

Opinion | The AOC documentary "Knock Down The House" caught lightning in a bottle

So busy prepping the socialist Democrats media darling , and their goal for a socialist takeover.


Ocasio-Cortez Has Turned Corporate Media Into an Agent of Socialist Change

What a pile of bull****. What's next? A mandatory parade trotting her likness down Red... I mean Times square?

Not on fox news then?

 

[Nakosis]

Not on fox news then?

Fox news has declared AOC the actual speaker of the House. Pelosi is speaker in name only. Who is the media paying attention to?

 

[Valjean]

Fox news has declared AOC the actual speaker of the House. Pelosi is speaker in name only. Who is the media paying attention to?

Depends on whose media. Certain special interests have a stake in alarmist propaganda.