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But if one labels another to be a bigot because of this view or the other, and then wants to deny their right to do X and Z, isn't that just as bigoted?
Deny them the right to do what?
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But if one labels another to be a bigot because of this view or the other, and then wants to deny their right to do X and Z, isn't that just as bigoted?
It would be nice to see a proper balance for a change. Unfortunately the hatred for capitalism and even socialism will prevent people from meeting in the middle anytime soon.
Hi, I'll try not to be argumentitive. In honesty I consider myself quite a socially liberal person and I think this seems tolerable.I believe all humans are equal before G-d in dignity and worth. Marriage, however, is a sacred bond that, to me, can only be sanctified by a man and a woman. I would allow gay marriage on the state, but would allow religious institutions to pull out. Man and woman marriage is the norm all throughout the world, do you think folks just pulled this out of their rears? It's because it's two opposites coming together to create a whole.
Sex based differences exist at the basest psychological level. I'm not saying every woman should be a housewife; I'm saying we should set up society so that she can be if she wants. Not sure what's wrong with that.
Deny them the right to do what?
Are the boys allowed to join the Girl Guides or Brownies or whatever?I remember awhile back, the Boy Scouts got a lot of slack for not allowing girls into the Boy Scouts. They eventually gave in and allowed this, but how much poo got flung at them for wanting to keep it to boys only? By limiting membership to boys were they insinuating girls to be inferior? I suspect not; it seemed they just wanted to keep their traditions.
There are other issues within the Boy Scouts, of course, and I'm not saying this is a perfect organization(I was kind of relieved when my son quit), but this issue is an example of a traditional group not being allowed to do things in their traditional way.
I remember awhile back, the Boy Scouts got a lot of slack for not allowing girls into the Boy Scouts. They eventually gave in and allowed this, but how much poo got flung at them for wanting to keep it to boys only? By limiting membership to boys were they insinuating girls to be inferior? I suspect not; it seemed they just wanted to keep their traditions.
There are other issues within the Boy Scouts, of course, and I'm not saying this is a perfect organization(I was kind of relieved when my son quit), but this issue is an example of a traditional group not being allowed to do things in their traditional way.
I'm not drawing this out with you as it's not the point of this thread. However, you do not get to dictate to me when life begins. I believe it begins at conception and you aren't about to change my mind.
No.Please let us agree to have medical science determine when a human life's personhood begins.
Aye, the beginning of life is a matter of definition.
I regularly hear about special girl-only programs, eg,I remember awhile back, the Boy Scouts got a lot of slack for not allowing girls into the Boy Scouts. They eventually gave in and allowed this, but how much poo got flung at them for wanting to keep it to boys only? By limiting membership to boys were they insinuating girls to be inferior? I suspect not; it seemed they just wanted to keep their traditions.
There are other issues within the Boy Scouts, of course, and I'm not saying this is a perfect organization(I was kind of relieved when my son quit), but this issue is an example of a traditional group not being allowed to do things in their traditional way.
Are the boys allowed to join the Girl Guides or Brownies or whatever?
The problem though of ''wanting to preserve their tradition'' is that the Boy Scouts were a prestigious organisation for many years. Members of the boy scouts enjoyed employment advantages in many domains and networking opportunities that members of the girl scouts didn't due to the fact their organisation was less prestigious. Traditions have a cost.
I regularly hear about special girl-only programs, eg,
coding classes. They're praised as being empowering.
This might could possibly be a double standard, eh.
Aye, the beginning of life is a matter of definition.
Science can shed light on a fetus's development,
but any selection of a stage where it begins would
be arbitrary. Science ain't about moral issues.
I regularly hear about special girl-only programs, eg,
coding classes. They're praised as being empowering.
This might could possibly be a double standard, eh.
Unwanted empowerment, eh.I always steered clear of 'girls only' groups, simply from the fear that someone would try to 'empower' me. To me, being 'empowered' felt similar to stepping in warm cat puke with bare feet on a cold morning. Why did I need to be empowered? Why wasn't I fine the way I was?
Ugh... I think I spent half of youth dealing with people 'empowering'(patronizing) me.
Light shed, yet choosing that stage asI trust in medical science to establish when an embryo could consciously experience pain. According to a study study published by the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), "a fetus is not capable of experiencing pain until 28 to 30 weeks after conception, when the nerves that carry painful stimuli to the brain have developed. Before that, the fetal reaction to a noxious stimulus is a reflex that does not involve consciousness, they write" (JAMA 2005; 294:947-954)
Please reference: Fetal Pain
Based on the criteria of personhood involving being capable of consciously feeling pain, personhood doesn't begin until at least 28 weeks after conception.
Are there no reasons that boys might benefit fromNot exactly they are designed to encourage girls to participate in activities where they are underepresented and often pushed away from by a variety of factors from discimination, prejudice, harrasment, tokenism, etc. These are made to compensate for historical discrimination of women in certain domains. There are similar initiative for men in domains where they have been abscent like nursing or elementary school teaching.
Light shed, yet choosing that stage as
life's beginning is still an arbitrary choice.
When does it begin?
I make no claims, finding the question unanswerable.
Complicated, eh.Life and personhood are two different issues. Bioethicists attempt to answer the question of personhood, or when a human life attains moral standing.