Sola Scriptura - heresy against God or man's institution?

[sojourner]

As I understand it, many religions have "relaxed their stance" on damnation (usually thought of to be eternal) as eternal suffering in fire or whatever. But to say it goes along with belief or confession of the trinity doctrine is fanciful.

Of course it is! That's what I've been saying. Athanasius had to take such a hard stance in his circumstance. We are not in that circumstance. Why do you think the Athanasian Creed isn't any longer an official church statement?

 

[Onoma]

I would say S.S. is on shaky ground for a variety of reasons, but an obvious one would be the fact that Revelation uses phrasing commonly found in earlier Babylonian texts dealing with the mathematical astronomy, the planet Venus, the moon, and eclipses/syzygies ( These texts belonged to priest-kings )

Another would be that S.S assumes the modern reader is in full possession of the truth merely by reading the modern english Bible, when in fact this completely ignores the priestly literary traditions of the day ( That certain knowledge in texts were protected and only revealed through " tutelary deities " to specific priest-kings

S.S, by my experience, leads to great ignorance about the Bible and it's foundations

 

[YoursTrue]

My professional opinion is that the Athanasian Creed goes a little too far in specifics for the current context. Remember: that Creed was formulated specifically to combat the Arians. AFAIC, Creeds should be broad in language. The Apostles' Creed, also known as the baptismal Creed, is such a Creed. The Nicene is fine, but it also sparked a debate between Eastern and Western judicatories with the inclusion of the Filioque Clause. But, the Athanasian Creed is essentially truth. And yes, the Apostolic Succession is also truth. But remember: we're talking theology, not ontology here.

By the way, since I get vague answers that don't add up as far as I'm concerned from a couple of people here, now that I'm seeing you are "shamanistic," I suppose that anything goes, kind of, more or less. Anyway, it's been interesting, have a good night, and, as another said something like here, "okay, mate." (Does not mean I agree, it means, have a good night, mate.)

 

[YoursTrue]

Of course it is! That's what I've been saying. Athanasius had to take such a hard stance in his circumstance. We are not in that circumstance. Why do you think the Athanasian Creed isn't any longer an official church statement?

Uh oh, and I almost signed you off. But then, I think I no longer have any questions, why? Because it's so fuzzy wuzzy in your statements, such as you saying we're not in that circumstance? What are you talking about? Either there IS eternal damnation or there is NOT eternal damnation because of believing or not the trinity doctrine. So, mate, have a real good night.

 

[sojourner]

By the way, since I get vague answers that don't add up as far as I'm concerned from a couple of people here, now that I'm seeing you are "shamanistic," I suppose that anything goes, kind of, more or less. Anyway, it's been interesting, have a good night, and, as another said something like here, "okay, mate." (Does not mean I agree, it means, have a good night, mate.)

1) I don’t see what’s “vague” about this post.
2) why would you think that Shamanism = “anything goes?”

 

[sojourner]

Uh oh, and I almost signed you off. But then, I think I no longer have any questions, why? Because it's so fuzzy wuzzy in your statements, such as you saying we're not in that circumstance? What are you talking about? Either there IS eternal damnation or there is NOT eternal damnation because of believing or not the trinity doctrine. So, mate, have a real good night.

You’re still thinking in ontological terms. This is theology, not ontology. You need to get your disciplines straight.

 

[YoursTrue]

Of course it is! That's what I've been saying. Athanasius had to take such a hard stance in his circumstance. We are not in that circumstance. Why do you think the Athanasian Creed isn't any longer an official church statement?

It seems to be included in the church litany about once a year. So eternal damnation is not contingent on accepting the trinity doctrine any more? According to the church you speak of, that is. Since there are other churches beyond what you say is the church.

 

[YoursTrue]

1) I don’t see what’s “vague” about this post.
2) why would you think that Shamanism = “anything goes?”

Do you get messages from....beyond? I know of someone who uses divining rods to get answers to questions. Would it be something like that?

 

[YoursTrue]

You’re still thinking in ontological terms. This is theology, not ontology. You need to get your disciplines straight.

So either there is eternal damnation or there is not.

 

[sojourner]

It seems to be included in the church litany about once a year. So eternal damnation is not contingent on accepting the trinity doctrine any more? According to the church you speak of, that is. Since there are other churches beyond what you say is the church.

Just because it’s included once a year doesn’t make it an authoritative church teaching.
No, I don’t think the broader church is as concerned with a literal hell as it used to be.

 

[sojourner]

Do you get messages from....beyond? I know of someone who uses divining rods to get answers to questions. Would it be something like that?

You can stop k picking what you clearly do not understand. You’ve done it with the Trinity. Now you’re doing it with Shamanism. Is your entire spiritual dynamic all about ridicule?

 

[sojourner]

So either there is eternal damnation or there is not.

You’re still thinking ontologically. Once again: this is theology, not ontology.