Mathematician
Reason, and reason again
http://wcco.com/local/local_story_027144228.html
Hopefully this 'waiting list' is never seen again for out troops!
Hopefully this 'waiting list' is never seen again for out troops!
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Soldier commits suicide
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Feathers in Hair
World's Tallest Hobbit
This is heart-wrenching. These troops have given their all for what their country ordered them to do and we can't even fund their healing?
ChrisP
Veteran Member
Mike182 said:i agree, it's tragic and an injustice.
And to me, proof positive men should not be put into a soul-less conflict. Battle is a hard thing. Wars sometimes are necessary, but they must be for the right reasons, or morale is killed and any positive outcome impossible. This was also a fault of the Vietnamese war, and I'm sure many before it.
If the amount of propaganda governments spew forth can't boost morale then nothing will, and all hopes of victory (and the war) should be abandoned.
Mavrikmind
Active Member
A while back there were a bunch of VA hospitals closed down because of lack of funding. It's a tragedy to be sure. Uncle Sam squanders our money in ways we can't even concieve of. And our soldiers are just one facet of our society that looses out because of mismanagement by our goverment.
ChrisP said:
Who is going to judge what "The right reasons are ?"....I agree with what you say, but I would venture to suggest that taking "out" a megalomanic despoy and foul leader of a country might be interpreted as "a right reason"
I feel for not only the soldier, but his friends, and family..........
A
A. Leaf
Guest
The US army has sent mental health specialists to Iraq to determine why so many soldiers are committing suicide there, a US media report said.
Eleven US soldiers and three Marines have killed themselves in the past seven months in Iraq, an annualised rate of 17 suicides per 100,000 soldiers.
The usual rate of army suicides is 13 per 100,000 soldiers, the report in the USA Today newspaper said.
A dozen other army deaths being investigated in Iraq could include suicides, and the US Navy is also investigating one possible suicide, it said.
"The number of suicides has caused the army to be concerned," said Lieutenant Colonel Elspeth Cameron Ritchie, an army psychiatrist helping investigate the deaths.
"Is there something different going on in Iraq that we really need to pay attention to?"
Most of the suicides have occurred since May 1, when major combat operations were declared over.
Depression, harsh and dangerous living conditions, a long deployment and the accessibility of weapons could contribute to the problem, experts said.
The army has sent 478 soldiers home from Iraq for mental-health reasons, the daily said
Taken from: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/10/13/1065917350950.html
Eleven US soldiers and three Marines have killed themselves in the past seven months in Iraq, an annualised rate of 17 suicides per 100,000 soldiers.
The usual rate of army suicides is 13 per 100,000 soldiers, the report in the USA Today newspaper said.
A dozen other army deaths being investigated in Iraq could include suicides, and the US Navy is also investigating one possible suicide, it said.
"The number of suicides has caused the army to be concerned," said Lieutenant Colonel Elspeth Cameron Ritchie, an army psychiatrist helping investigate the deaths.
"Is there something different going on in Iraq that we really need to pay attention to?"
Most of the suicides have occurred since May 1, when major combat operations were declared over.
Depression, harsh and dangerous living conditions, a long deployment and the accessibility of weapons could contribute to the problem, experts said.
The army has sent 478 soldiers home from Iraq for mental-health reasons, the daily said
Taken from: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/10/13/1065917350950.html
kiwimac
Brother Napalm of God's Love
I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o'beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
But it's ``Thank you, Mister Atkins,'' when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's ``Thank you, Mr. Atkins,'' when the band begins to play.
I went into a theatre as sober as could be, But it's ``Thank you, Mister Atkins,'' when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's ``Thank you, Mr. Atkins,'' when the band begins to play.
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.
Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy how's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.
We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too, But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints:
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind,"
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind.
You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires an' all: But it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind.
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country," when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
But Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!
Source:But it's "Saviour of 'is country," when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
But Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Our troops are not even getting priority treatment for medical conditions, when they are sent home wounded. They just have to take their chances in general hospitals.
Ugh, what terrible news.
My prayers for his family and for his finding peace. :flower:
I just have to say that since WWII, our military forces and their families have found themselves with declining support from our government. Troops are constantly being sent out with severly inadequate supplies and training and given orders to do a job that they know is impossible to do without that kind of support necessary.
Then given the fact that so many deployed soldiers take massive pay cuts to serve overseas, and if they have families back home to support, that their families are finding themselves relying on food stamps and welfare programs to survive.
Don't even start into how many soldiers find themselves in the position of going through divorce proceedings or discovering their loved ones commiting adultery or cheating on them...............And even in healthy relationships or marriages they still miss out on stress-free communications with their SO. Every conversation is filled with suffering and stress. The pressure is enormous.
When they come home, they and their families nearly always get shafted in some way. Walk around in a VA hospital and see how understaffed it is, how the buildings are in need of repair, and how many hoops the vets need to jump through in order to get any kind of service. Waiting lists are the standard, not the exception, when it comes to veterans benefits.
I think the worst part is watching the administration discuss frequently how much money is being spent on the war, and I find myself thinking, "Where was that money when my husband needed better protection than a thin sheet of canvas on his truck when he was entering enemy territory?"
It's entirely understandable that soldiers are feeling lost and worthless. It's one thing to have people come out to our parades, wave their flags, and shake our hands thanking us for our sacrifces as military families of veterans. We do appreciate that. But it's another thing entirely when we see that's as far as the support goes in this country. The blame goes squarely on the individuals that are handling the funds and are making the decisions for those funds.
Peace,
Mystic
My prayers for his family and for his finding peace. :flower:
I just have to say that since WWII, our military forces and their families have found themselves with declining support from our government. Troops are constantly being sent out with severly inadequate supplies and training and given orders to do a job that they know is impossible to do without that kind of support necessary.
Then given the fact that so many deployed soldiers take massive pay cuts to serve overseas, and if they have families back home to support, that their families are finding themselves relying on food stamps and welfare programs to survive.
Don't even start into how many soldiers find themselves in the position of going through divorce proceedings or discovering their loved ones commiting adultery or cheating on them...............And even in healthy relationships or marriages they still miss out on stress-free communications with their SO. Every conversation is filled with suffering and stress. The pressure is enormous.
When they come home, they and their families nearly always get shafted in some way. Walk around in a VA hospital and see how understaffed it is, how the buildings are in need of repair, and how many hoops the vets need to jump through in order to get any kind of service. Waiting lists are the standard, not the exception, when it comes to veterans benefits.
I think the worst part is watching the administration discuss frequently how much money is being spent on the war, and I find myself thinking, "Where was that money when my husband needed better protection than a thin sheet of canvas on his truck when he was entering enemy territory?"
It's entirely understandable that soldiers are feeling lost and worthless. It's one thing to have people come out to our parades, wave their flags, and shake our hands thanking us for our sacrifces as military families of veterans. We do appreciate that. But it's another thing entirely when we see that's as far as the support goes in this country. The blame goes squarely on the individuals that are handling the funds and are making the decisions for those funds.
Peace,
Mystic
Djamila
Bosnjakinja
This sort of thing really annoys me. I wish all the American people would have the opportunity to spend a month overseas with their soldiers - perhaps two, one in Bosnia and one in Iraq.
They could come here and see how the soldiers hire local people who more or less everything local people can do, how they're on a first-name basis with all the families that live within half a kilometer of their base, how they have female and male friends from among the local people. And it barely worked here. It's not going to work in Iraq, it's just not.
They could come here and see how the soldiers hire local people who more or less everything local people can do, how they're on a first-name basis with all the families that live within half a kilometer of their base, how they have female and male friends from among the local people. And it barely worked here. It's not going to work in Iraq, it's just not.
jmaster78
Member
Does anyone know the actual percentage of money set aside for after the war compared to money set asside for the war? There must be some sort of budget for soldiers returning with mental/physical injuries. I would be interested to see how it stands up to the overall cost of the war.
jmaster78 said:
I wish I had exact figuers, jmaster, but I can tell you that most of the spending from the Department of Defense is in the form of procurement contracts for aircraft and ground transportation as well as weaponry. That is a HUGE chunk of money, too, not a simple majority of, say, 51%.
Peace,
Mystic