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solution to the U.S. health care crisis.

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I would like to go past the blame game between the two failed political parties of Democrat and Republicans and get your opinion on a viable solution to this mess. The ACA has helped some, but been very harmful to others (like myself). The plan (so far) that the GOP is pushing looks like it will be just as harmful by ,for one, cutting back Medicaid for folks that really need it. The only good thing I see with the GOP plan so far is that you don't have to buy it. So anyway, what I would like is for you to share your opinion as to what we need here in the USA.
Personally, I would like to see something along the lines of a Canadian style single payer system.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
No longer interested.

But seriously, I love the idea of a single payer system.

So do I but how to implement it in a capitalist system?

I think the government needs to get into the healthcare business. Provide doctors and clinics that are free. Maybe pay for part of the cost of medical school in exchange for say 10 years of service at a government operated medical clinic. We could do the same for nurses.

Folks who want to pay for private health care can still do so, but they are going to have to be some what competitive with government run facilities.

Everyone gets a basic level of healthcare that is at a lower cost to tax payers.

We have military hospitals so the government already does this. Just expand this to cover public health care as well.

People could enlist, get medical training, get experience working at these health clinics.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
The only good thing I see with the GOP plan so far is that you don't have to buy it.
The mandate may not seem good, but in such a Dutch system making everyone buy it helps keep the cost for everyone lower by having those of good health who don't see the doctor that often and those that do paying into it.
Really, it's a way to keep health insurance around and keep the profits lucrative private. It helps the "consumer," but it helps executives more. Really, we just need to have everyone pay, but instead of paying a private corporation just pay taxes to the state, and have everyone covered without out-of-pocket expenses for medical care.

Step one is ban advertising drugs on TV.
While I actually do agree with that, it wouldn't do that much to fix our health care, more addressing the corruption of big-pharma and snuffing out some of the profit motive. It would help some,
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
So do I but how to implement it in a capitalist system?

I think the government needs to get into the healthcare business. Provide doctors and clinics that are free. Maybe pay for part of the cost of medical school in exchange for say 10 years of service at a government operated medical clinic. We could do the same for nurses.

Folks who want to pay for private health care can still do so, but they are going to have to be some what competitive with government run facilities.

Everyone gets a basic level of healthcare that is at a lower cost to tax payers.

We have military hospitals so the government already does this. Just expand this to cover public health care as well.

People could enlist, get medical training, get experience working at these health clinics.

The government already is in the health care business; it's called the VA. Show of hands: who here would like to have to go to a VA (i.e. government) hospital?
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Probably the same way so many others have.

Some where there is a lot of money flowing in the US medical business. Other countries they can keep these costs down.

Here, there there is a lot of money going somewhere. Doctors blame educational costs, Insurance blame hospitals and pharmaceutical companies. Pharmaceutical companies blame the cost of government regulation.

The tax payers can't afford the single payer option with the medical system in it's current state. We have to fix the high cost of healthcare first.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
The government already is in the health care business; it's called the VA. Show of hands: who here would like to have to go to a VA (i.e. government) hospital?
The VA is the victim of gross mismanagement and lacks proper funding. We would be wise to learn from these mistakes.
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
The government already is in the health care business; it's called the VA. Show of hands: who here would like to have to go to a VA (i.e. government) hospital?

Who wants to go to the hospital, any hospital?
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
The government already is in the health care business; it's called the VA. Show of hands: who here would like to have to go to a VA (i.e. government) hospital?

That's why we leave the private health care system in place. Then it's up to us to get the government to fix governmental run healthcare.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I would like to go past the blame game between the two failed political parties of Democrat and Republicans and get your opinion on a viable solution to this mess. The ACA has helped some, but been very harmful to others (like myself). The plan (so far) that the GOP is pushing looks like it will be just as harmful by ,for one, cutting back Medicaid for folks that really need it. The only good thing I see with the GOP plan so far is that you don't have to buy it. So anyway, what I would like is for you to share your opinion as to what we need here in the USA.
Personally, I would like to see something along the lines of a Canadian style single payer system.

I assume that you are speaking in the hypothetical. America doesn't fix problems any more. There is no lack of answers, just a lack of an ability to implement them. The last president expended nearly all of his political capital in his first year-plus in office to try to help some 20 million Americans, the Congress fought him tooth and nail all the way, they never stopped trying to dismantle the program during his watch, and they began attempting to destroy it in earnest five minutes after he left office.

That's America today. It isn't about what the average American needs or wants any more. The 1% are in business, they seem intent on concentrating America's wealth in the pockets of a handful, their greed is limitless and insatiable, they appear to control the government, and nobody is going to stop them from profiting on illness or anything else. You say let's get past the blame game, but it's important to identify the problem and its source if there is a hope of fixing it rather than just thinking out loud. In my opinion, the health care problem has no solution as long as things are as they are, and I don't see how anybody is going to change what that is.

Too pessimistic? What matters is if its accurate. If it is, don't look to your government for any help. It's not there to help you. You'll have to solve your problems yourself if they're to be solved.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
The VA is the victim of gross mismanagement and lacks proper funding. We would be wise to learn from these mistakes.

What we are learning is that we do not want the government running a medical facility. It's bad enough what happens to our veterans in these hellholes, would you want this happening to your children?

That's why we leave the private health care system in place. Then it's up to us to get the government to fix governmental run healthcare.

WHAT????
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
What we are learning is that we do not want the government running a medical facility. It's bad enough what happens to our veterans in these hellholes, would you want this happening to your children?
This still begs the question: what do we do to solve this? Late stage capitalism dictates that the rates will continue to rise above the rate of inflation without government intervention. This has the potential to make health care less and less accessible.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
The government already is in the health care business; it's called the VA. Show of hands: who here would like to have to go to a VA (i.e. government) hospital?
I haven't been to a VA hospital, but i have been to social healthcare institutions in both Canada and Japan and they were, by far, better than what we have here.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
I haven't been to a VA hospital, but i have been to social healthcare institutions in both Canada and Japan and they were, by far, better than what we have here.
Correct, but it is much easier to point at a flawed system and play the fear game. There will be risks but, in my opinion, a risk is certainly worth taking.
 

Nous

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Ban all medical advertising and lawyer advertising on TV and that should help with the costs for sure.
What does advertising by lawyers have to do with the cost of health care?

When you say "ban all . . . advertising," do you mean banning websites, Tweets that mention services, etc.?
 
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