Some questions about evolution (genetics etc) and possible implications for creationism

[TagliatelliMonster]

By their own logic, it's impossible. You can not claim both that we all descended from one organism and that all have different family trees.

I didn't say that at all.

Life forms a single family tree.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

There are currently 1,258 genera, 156 families, 27 orders, and around 5,937 recognized living species of mammal.

According to evolution they are came from one single celled organism.
And that is just the mammals.
Laughable, really.

Your objection so far seems to be nothing but an argument from incredulity.

 

[Subduction Zone]

By their own logic, it's impossible. You can not claim both that we all descended from one organism and that all have different family trees.

They all meet if you go back far enough. It is not practical to constantly talk about all life so to solve problems scientists work on specific parts of the tree of life.

Surely you have worked on a complex problem some time in your life. Trying to work on an entire problem simultaneously is not humanly possible. So we break them up.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Changing into a "different kind" of animal, does not happen in evolution.


I know that's not what they mean, because creationists strawman evolution.

As far as actual evolutionary biology is concerned, raccoons up north having thicker fur is exactly what evolution does. Gradually optimize species for the habitat they are in. Like growing thicker fur in colder climates - or rather, as the environment cools (either because of migration to cooler regions or because of general change in weather patterns). That's what natural selection is.


So essentially, you have just acknowledged a central strawman of creationist propaganda.

No creationists deny natural selection. You really need to do some investigation.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No creationists deny natural selection. You really need to do some investigation.

Correction, no creationists may claim to deny natural selection.

One can say that no creationists understand how natural selection and variation work together.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

No creationists deny natural selection. You really need to do some investigation.

I love how you just ignored the actual point being made.

In evolutionary biology, this is evolution.

Creationists not willing to acknowledge such as evolution, is because they strawman evolution.

They insist on X not being evolution.
Yet evolutionary biology says it's evolution.

That's textbook strawmanning.

 

[SkepticThinker]

There are currently 1,258 genera, 156 families, 27 orders, and around 5,937 recognized living species of mammal.

According to evolution they are came from one single celled organism.
And that is just the mammals.
Laughable, really.

That's not math, that's just making a list.
The theory of evolution doesn't claim that they "all came from one single celled organism."

Would you like to try again?

 

[Wildswanderer]

That's not math, that's just making a list.
The theory of evolution doesn't claim that they "all came from one single celled organism."

Would you like to try again?

Then, please enlighten us on what they came from.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Then, please enlighten us on what they came from.

We're still on your claim, man.
You don't get to change the subject in the middle of it.
Would you care to retract it?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

You can not get from a fish to a bird for example without remaking the whole system. It's not just small changes, but it would be like saying you could program a unicycle a certain way and turn it into a 747.
Just not possible.

It is impossible. You cannot magically transform a fish into a bird. It is a darned good thing that the theory of evolution isn't a theory about magical transformations.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

No, you didn't.

Please explain how, through a process of numerous relatively small changes over time, it would be impossible to turn a unicycle into a 747.

I mean, it is pretty obviously possible, right? If we can turn minerals carved from rocks into cars, why can't we do that?

That pretty much describes the evolution of modern transportation. Going from wheeled carts to spacecraft through the selection of numerous small changes. But, as you know, no magical transformation of unicycles to big old jet airliners.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Lol, not without adding a lot of extra parts and not without an intelligent designer. Impossible.
Where are the extra parts coming from? Poof, magic?

The poof magic is your schtick.

You claim to understand all of this so well that you can declare it impossible. Then offer us the value of your acumen and show us how it is impossible based on the evidence. I hope you can do better than a magical unicycles. I gotta tell you buddy, that would be awesome to have a magical unicycle, but I never saw one.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Then, please enlighten us on what they came from.

Oh please. Don't take that attitude when I have asked you dozens of questions that you just ignored. I know why you ignore them, but still.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The poof magic is your schtick.

You claim to understand all of this so well that you can declare it impossible. Then offer us the value of your acumen and show us how it is impossible based on the evidence. I hope you can do better than a magical unicycles. I gotta tell you buddy, that would be awesome to have a magical unicycle, but I never saw one.

I have one. I was going to put it on ebay, but I will give you first crack at it. It won't be cheap though. It is the one that Moses rode when he split the Red Sea.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I have one. I was going to put it on ebay, but I will give you first crack at it. It won't be cheap though. It is the one that Moses rode when he split the Red Sea.

Provence. That will raise the value. I will give you a billion quatloos for it.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

No creationists deny natural selection. You really need to do some investigation.

I love how some new creationist comes along with claims as if they have never before been raised to the light of day. Creationists deny all sorts of things with nothing to back up their denial beyond a deification of the Bible.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Provence. That will raise the value. I will give you a billion quatloos for it.

I deal in cold hard cash, or bitcoins.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I deal in cold hard cash, or bitcoins.

I have cold hard Triskelion quatloos. Don't know the exchange rate.

 

[Wildswanderer]

I love how some new creationist comes along with claims as if they have never before been raised to the light of day. Creationists deny all sorts of things with nothing to back up their denial beyond a deification of the Bible.

Obviously you have nothing to add to the discussion.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Obviously you have nothing to add to the discussion.

He's trying to tell you that you don't.