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Some women liked being objectified

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Feminists such as the likes of Catherine Mackinnon and Dworkin often argue that patriarchy is the root of all misogyny and objectification, but I believe in some instances women are often times the cause of their own objectification. Some hardcore feminists would argue that in all instances women are absolved from blame of being objectified. I think sometimes we forget we live in a bizarro world where the deplorable is sometimes the beautiful and exquisite. For example, some psycho-biologist would argue that women who love men with power and money could be the result of some primordial rewiring in the brain due to the survival instinct. Men with money equals a man with resources, a man with resources equals livability of the genes and the continuation of the DNA.

I use the following example:



Floyd Mayweather iis a great boxer but a horrible representation of a gentleman, but a great example of misogyny. In several videos aside form this one, this woman sits idle while she is being describe by Floyd who it has come out that he recently has impregnated her. What is problematic is she has no issue because she is a woman who is well off. She is pregnant and what that means is she will for the next 18 years have money. It is sad that in the United States when women get pregnant the unborn child is seen as a "cash cow" in the zeitgeist of American capitalist society. Some women more often than not, will exchange their dignity for fame and fortune and will submerge their self-worth for self-profit.

Money indeed does matter to women and many in the United States will sacrifice their value for it..

A great example where dignity is exchanged for fame and fortune see no further than Donald Trump: Would Melania be with such a man if he had no money or fame? Would Melania be with Donald Trump the mechanic?
I agree that some women like being objectified. Those that find themselves in the situations described may not be good examples, however. Looking at Melana, per your example, she certainly doesn't give the impression of liking her situation, IMHO. My point is that there's a difference between LIKING something, and consenting to do something because it's what you need to do to get by.
 

Phantasman

Well-Known Member
Feminists such as the likes of Catherine Mackinnon and Dworkin often argue that patriarchy is the root of all misogyny and objectification, but I believe in some instances women are often times the cause of their own objectification. Some hardcore feminists would argue that in all instances women are absolved from blame of being objectified. I think sometimes we forget we live in a bizarro world where the deplorable is sometimes the beautiful and exquisite. For example, some psycho-biologist would argue that women who love men with power and money could be the result of some primordial rewiring in the brain due to the survival instinct. Men with money equals a man with resources, a man with resources equals livability of the genes and the continuation of the DNA.

I use the following example:



Floyd Mayweather iis a great boxer but a horrible representation of a gentleman, but a great example of misogyny. In several videos aside form this one, this woman sits idle while she is being describe by Floyd who it has come out that he recently has impregnated her. What is problematic is she has no issue because she is a woman who is well off. She is pregnant and what that means is she will for the next 18 years have money. It is sad that in the United States when women get pregnant the unborn child is seen as a "cash cow" in the zeitgeist of American capitalist society. Some women more often than not, will exchange their dignity for fame and fortune and will submerge their self-worth for self-profit.

Money indeed does matter to women and many in the United States will sacrifice their value for it..

A great example where dignity is exchanged for fame and fortune see no further than Donald Trump: Would Melania be with such a man if he had no money or fame? Would Melania be with Donald Trump the mechanic?
Good post. Not just Trump though. How about people like Harvey Weinstein. His looks didn't exactly get him the babes, IMO. Though the women complain now, what were they thinking at the time? Their own rewards through what he had to offer. es.

To me, it shows how the elitist operate. And how common people excel into the elitist arena. Look at Jackie Kennedy Onasis. What did Onasis have that John Kennedy didn't? Sure wasn't looks or young vibrancy.

To me, the elitists use each other in many instances. But there are those that see past the money from good looks syndrome. People like George and Barbra Bush were clearly in love, though she looked more like his mother than his wife.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
It's true that some women like being objectified. However, there is a clear line between this type of "objectification" and abuse. If a woman consents to it, it's not abuse. If she doesn't consent to it, then it's abuse and it is absolutely wrong.

That is a given but isn't all forms of objectification especially sexually abusive?
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Young Italian model married Ivana Trump, 25 years older.
Where is the difference? People are free to marry other people who might turn out to be fortune-hunters.

But in a capitalist society and especially considering the evolutionary theory of women wanting men with resources, my money is on the theory that a lot of women want men with money. Trump is not a physically attractive person but yes there is someone for everyone but m,y best bet is Melania got with that orange ape for money. But then again Melania is not smart herself.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
I think that there are men who see women as worthless, and only a means for sexual gratification. That to me, is objectification, and honestly, no women want that.

According to who? Strippers get objectified sexually? Video vixens in rap videos get champagne poured on their face but they smile because they know their getting video time and monetary pay.
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
According to who? Strippers get objectified sexually? Video vixens in rap videos get champagne poured on their face but they smile because they know their getting video time and monetary pay.

According to me. I love when men tell me and other women what we should think. As if we are all clones and men know more than we do about what we think. I don’t speak for all women, only me.
 
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Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
According to me. I love when men tell me and other women what we should think. As if we are all clones and men know more than we do about what we think. I don’t speak for all women, only me.

I am not saying anything but the video I provided speaks for itself
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
I think we all have different ideas about it and like I commented, objectification is an overused term that sometimes doesn’t mean what people think.
 

Cacotopia

Let's go full Trottle
Humans have the strange obsession to either manipulate or dictate the lives of others.

If some broad out there wants to show her curves of or lack of them, or abs or let the girls out to play cause they like the attention, who cares.

If she does it cause she likes the attention but then bashes others for taking notice of her offered "goods", double standard and she is deserving of a bashing herself. Same goes to all the people that think they have an authority on what other people should be wearing.
 

Ultimatum

Classical Liberal
Some people like being objectified, some people don't. I don't know why you're making this a gendered issue. Sometimes it also varies on the circumstance. When I head off to the club on a Friday night with friends I'm happy with girls kissing me/touching me/etc. When I'm in my workplace I'd give warnings and, as a last resort, file a professionalism misconduct report.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Feminists such as the likes of Catherine Mackinnon and Dworkin often argue that patriarchy is the root of all misogyny and objectification, but I believe in some instances women are often times the cause of their own objectification. Some hardcore feminists would argue that in all instances women are absolved from blame of being objectified. I think sometimes we forget we live in a bizarro world where the deplorable is sometimes the beautiful and exquisite. For example, some psycho-biologist would argue that women who love men with power and money could be the result of some primordial rewiring in the brain due to the survival instinct. Men with money equals a man with resources, a man with resources equals livability of the genes and the continuation of the DNA.

I use the following example:



Floyd Mayweather iis a great boxer but a horrible representation of a gentleman, but a great example of misogyny. In several videos aside form this one, this woman sits idle while she is being describe by Floyd who it has come out that he recently has impregnated her. What is problematic is she has no issue because she is a woman who is well off. She is pregnant and what that means is she will for the next 18 years have money. It is sad that in the United States when women get pregnant the unborn child is seen as a "cash cow" in the zeitgeist of American capitalist society. Some women more often than not, will exchange their dignity for fame and fortune and will submerge their self-worth for self-profit.

Money indeed does matter to women and many in the United States will sacrifice their value for it..

A great example where dignity is exchanged for fame and fortune see no further than Donald Trump: Would Melania be with such a man if he had no money or fame? Would Melania be with Donald Trump the mechanic?
so I was watching a documentary about a group of primates......

a particular behavior was noted
the females would walk back and forth in front of the lead male.....
if she thought to have his attention
she would turn away
lift herself on her toes
and look over her shoulder

have you seen this anywhere else?
 
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