Someone other than Trump?

[fantome profane]

The Democrats have been afraid of Trump since their failed Collusion Coup. The Democrats attempted to overthrow a duly elected president in 2016 and never saw themselves losing. It failed. Since then they still fear payback time. There is nobody in history that has been more gang targeted and harassed than Trump, and yet he is still there. There is not much time left, until investigation priorities will change, since they will be run by a Republican House. The Democrats have been push back to the cliff, hoping for a Hail Mary pass.

The wild card are the Twitter Files, the FBI collusion, and the Biden laptop. Hypothetically, say deeper investigation by New House, , shows political intrigue, that was worse than Nixon. This began with the Obama FBI spying on candidate Trump, the DNC, FBI fake dossier scam, the voter irregularities due to COVID, to all the biased law suits in NY state and lack of due process Democrat Kangaroo Courts. The tide may suddenly turn next year. and Trump may be exonerated and allowed to get even.

What I see is desperate people still misusing power. The Twitter files have taught us that what we see in the news and information highway was designed to be subjective and very one sided, assisted by censorship and shadow banding. All supposed errors in judgement never benefitted Trump. What are the odds for that? The anti-Trump propaganda may no longer work the same way without this extra help. However, they still feel the need to keep doubling down, rather than loose all that has been invested.

Biden will be in trouble due to the duplicate hard drives that have not been destroyed to hide evidence. The problems the Republicans are having with choosing the speaker is due to Democrat influence in a last ditch effort to avoid the inevitable. I would guess that bribery, extortion and black mail will be attempted but in the end Republicans will get the votes, and the curtain will be drawn; end of act 2, waiting for act 3; reversal of fortunes.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Legislation all over a single person?

How communist.

That's the formula laid out by the 14th Amendment. *shrug*

But I do agree that it shouldn't be used against a single person. There are a lot of Republican office-holders who also committed insurrection and should be similarly barred from office.

 

[Twilight Hue]

That's the formula laid out by the 14th Amendment. *shrug*

But I do agree that it shouldn't be used against a single person. There are a lot of Republican office-holders who also committed insurrection and should be similarly barred from office.

Kinda reminded me of that committee over Rush Limbaugh.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Kinda reminded me of that committee over Rush Limbaugh.

I'm sorry... what?

 

[Ponder This]

I found this on a news site:

"Dozens of House Democrats lined up behind legislation that would bar former President Donald Trump from holding office again.

The bill, introduced Thursday by Rep. David Cicilline (D-RI), aims to use Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment to get the job done, accusing Trump of orchestrating an insurrection with the Capitol riot on January 6, 2021, which briefly disrupted the certification of President Joe Biden’s 2020 election victory."

I would love to see someone other than Trump but I wonder if human nature will prevent it. IMV, if there is a continued effort to prevent him from running, I think that the response from the other side of the aisle will be "He must be the answer because they keep attacking him".

Human nature, IMV, will override common sense.

What do you think?

I think Democrats delayed pushing this legislation earlier in the hopes that more would come of their Jan 6 committee investigation... which failed to manifest the results they were looking for. Trump's announcing his run for Presidency places added pressure on Democrats who were hoping to get something substantial against Trump. And the fact that the House will soon pass to Republican control places even more pressure on them.

I doubt that it is some clever strategy on the part of Democrats to trick Republicans into nominating Trump.

 

[sun rise]

The Democrats have been afraid of Trump since their failed Collusion Coup. The Democrats attempted to overthrow a duly elected president in 2016 and never saw themselves losing. It failed.

You don't live in the same universe I do.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

What do you think?

Assuming that he is unelectable, what's not to love about a Trump candidacy for a liberal? The Republicans want him to go away. They might appreciate such legislation.

Of course, Trump apparently doesn't need to be a candidate to keep running his mouth and damaging the Republicans. The recent Kanye hatred tour dinner at Mar-a-Lago and the suggestion to shred the Constitution were damaging to the Republicans if for no other reason that he put them in the awkward position of having to disavow Trump while they still fear him or wimp out as they did instead.

Still, let the man stain the Republican brand further by running as one or credibly threatening that he might. Let them never break free of this albatross they created. Why would the Democrats try to stop that? Fear that Trump might win? He's the least threatening of the candidate the Republicans might nominate and the likely the least electable if the Democrats don't make him a martyr. The other viable Republican contenders are also MAGA, but mostly savvier, and unlike Trump, friends of the Republican party. How is that not worse than Trump as president?

So what are the Democrats thinking with this?

 

[sun rise]

Going back to the OP

I would love to see someone other than Trump but I wonder if human nature will prevent it. IMV, if there is a continued effort to prevent him from running, I think that the response from the other side of the aisle will be "He must be the answer because they keep attacking him".

Human nature, IMV, will override common sense.

What do you think?

Emotions almost always override logic. Many if not most people will vote against their own self-interest based on an emotional appeal.

So what about the emotions here. I think this one is really important because it's from a former all-in supporter. This to me says Trump is finished no matter what happens with various criminal charges and congressional arm waving.
Capitol Rioter Laments He's Going to Jail for 'NFT Salesman' Trump

But what I see is that the odds of having a reasonable candidate is close to zero given the lies and authoritarian policies from the right. I expect a "Trump" without the obvious crazy to be nominated.

 

[metis]

I would love to see someone other than Trump but I wonder if human nature will prevent it. IMV, if there is a continued effort to prevent him from running, I think that the response from the other side of the aisle will be "He must be the answer because they keep attacking him".

Human nature, IMV, will override common sense.

What do you think?

I think that we possibly could see a revisit of what happened in 2016 when there were so many Pubs running against him that they split the vote in the primaries, and he got the nomination with a minority vote. However, he's such "tainted meat" that I don't think it's likely.

However, I don't think DeSantis would be much better as he's playing games with the truth as well.

 

[metis]

Red has multiple champions. Donald Trump. Ron DeSantis. I will gladly vote for President Trump again, but if he were ineligible and DeSantis chose to run, I would gladly vote for him too.

So even the most basic Judeo-Christian/humanistic morals are not important?

 

[metis]

The Democrats have been afraid of Trump since their failed Collusion Coup.

As has already been explained to you, Mueller did not go after Trump on collusion, so why do you keep on regurgitating this nonsense?

The Democrats attempted to overthrow a duly elected president in 2016 and never saw themselves losing.

Really??? And how did they supposedly do this?

The wild card are the Twitter Files, the FBI collusion, and the Biden laptop. Hypothetically, say deeper investigation by New House, , shows political intrigue, that was worse than Nixon. This began with the Obama FBI spying on candidate Trump, the DNC, FBI fake dossier scam, the voter irregularities due to COVID, to all the biased law suits in NY state and lack of due process Democrat Kangaroo Courts...

Again, you keep on reposting such falsehoods. PLEASE double-check your sources as someone is feeding you garbage.

 

[Sand Dancer]

I don't think Trump will ever hold office again, though I could be wrong about that. The issue is not really Trump, as an individual, but more the underlying issues and the direction which certain like-minded political factions appear to be taking. This last election had all kinds of people coming out of the woodwork, spouting slogans such as "Babies, Guns, Jesus."

I am starting a new group: Babies with Guns for Jesus.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Last time early in the 2016 election process I mentioned that I was afraid he would try to take over like a dictator, and he proved me right. If they run him and he wins, he will try again; and this time he'll know what kind of system he is getting involved with. He may get better at it. I don't think everyone would just let him do that, however it seems like last time very few were willing to try and stop him. I couldn't identify what hidden power he had over the republicans, but they just let him do whatever. They might do that again, and he could conceivably betray us. He doesn't seem patriotic.

He's not, he's trumpriotic.

 

[Sand Dancer]

I think the democrats want Trump to run. Because he can't win. And if he runs as an indepented, he'll be making sure the republican candidate can't win, either. All this "we hate a Trump" stuff by liberals and democrats just encourages him and his idiot base. Which is exactly what they want to do. Trump is the albitros of the Republican Party. He's why Biden is so popular. And he's why the republicans are going to keep losing as long as Trump is around.

If he doesn't get the nomination, he would run as an Indy just for spite.

 

[fantome profane]

If he doesn't get the nomination, he would run as an Indy just for spite.

I really hope so.

 

[Kenny]

Perhaps they are worried whether Biden can carry the Democratic party.

That is quite a possibility. Personally, I am not sure Biden will win his nomination... but, as human nature goes so many time, one never knows.

 

[Kenny]

I think that we possibly could see a revisit of what happened in 2016 when there were so many Pubs running against him that they split the vote in the primaries, and he got the nomination with a minority vote. However, he's such "tainted meat" that I don't think it's likely.

However, I don't think DeSantis would be much better as he's playing games with the truth as well.

Yes, it does get quite complicated.

I am glad that ultimately my faith is in God and not a president (although we do still pray)

Personally, I don't think there will be such a wide spectrum of people running this go around. Well, hopefully anyways.

 

[Kenny]

The Democrats have been afraid of Trump since their failed Collusion Coup. The Democrats attempted to overthrow a duly elected president in 2016 and never saw themselves losing. It failed. Since then they still fear payback time. There is nobody in history that has been more gang targeted and harassed than Trump, and yet he is still there. There is not much time left, until investigation priorities will change, since they will be run by a Republican House. The Democrats have been push back to the cliff, hoping for a Hail Mary pass.

The wild card are the Twitter Files, the FBI collusion, and the Biden laptop. Hypothetically, say deeper investigation by New House, , shows political intrigue, that was worse than Nixon. This began with the Obama FBI spying on candidate Trump, the DNC, FBI fake dossier scam, the voter irregularities due to COVID, to all the biased law suits in NY state and lack of due process Democrat Kangaroo Courts. The tide may suddenly turn next year. and Trump may be exonerated and allowed to get even.

What I see is desperate people still misusing power. The Twitter files have taught us that what we see in the news and information highway was designed to be subjective and very one sided, assisted by censorship and shadow banding. All supposed errors in judgement never benefitted Trump. What are the odds for that? The anti-Trump propaganda may no longer work the same way without this extra help. However, they still feel the need to keep doubling down, rather than loose all that has been invested.

Biden will be in trouble due to the duplicate hard drives that have not been destroyed to hide evidence. The problems the Republicans are having with choosing the speaker is due to Democrat influence in a last ditch effort to avoid the inevitable. I would guess that bribery, extortion and black mail will be attempted but in the end Republicans will get the votes, and the curtain will be drawn; end of act 2, waiting for act 3; reversal of fortunes.

Very informative. So much meat here and thank you for sharing.

 

[Watchmen]

Plans within plans within plans (Dune).

Maybe Trump is the Muad’Dib.

 

[Shaul]

Look at all of you obsessed with Trump. <yawn>