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Sometimes I Hate Being a Woman

Booko

Deviled Hen
Luke Wolf said:
I didn't say women should wear running shoes with a skirt. I just said I have worn the same style for years, as a suggestion to make it easier.

I mentioned running shoes with a skirt to point out that dress clothes change rather quickly and dress shoes don't stay in style either. Not for us.

Running shoes don't change, but you can't wear them with a skirt and not look stupid.

If you work in a profession that requires you to dress, women's clothes will not last for years like men's will. They go out of fashion. You can work around that a bit by going for the more timeless styles, but only to a point. A man can buy a suit that would remain stylish for decades. I have a suit from the 80s that's in perfect condition, but if I wore that into an office I would expect giggles at the very least.

Go simple. Can't beat a T-shirt and jeans. I also find women wearing casual clothes like that more atractive.
*Wonders why women are so complicated with fashion*

In daily dress, that's exactly what I do. But that's not possible all the time, unless a woman just stays home except for grocery shopping.

Here's what a man needs for his wardrobe:
1 decent dark suit
1 button down shirt (could be 25 years old -- style hasn't changed)
1 pair dress shoes
all the casual clothes he wants
1 pair sneakers

Here's what a woman needs for her wardrobe:
1 or more neutral colored suits (each good for 5 years max)
Several different colored blouses that can be worn either with suits or skirts.
Some skirts
Middle-level dresses (for church, dining out, symphony, whatever)
Basic black outfit (must be fashionable, with striking jewelry to wear with).
One fashionable dress (goes out of style in 2 years at least)
And lets not even talk about the shoes: very dress shoes, casual dress shoes, strictly casual shoes, work shoes. Open toe for summer, closed for winter or office work. Some shoes go with slacks but look stupid with skirts, so you'll need a dressier shoe for the skirt or dress.

Men can get by with 2 levels of dress: dressed up and jeans. If they don't have to dress up much, one suit, one shirt and one pair of dress shoes will do them for years.

Women have many levels of dress they have to come up with. There's the everyday stuff, sure. For office work, there's either suits or business casual. To a funeral, it needs to be black and classy. To the symphony, it needs to be black and stylish. What I wear to the symphony I can't wear to a funeral. I'd look stupid.

A man can just wear the same black suit and be done with it.

And to top off the insult we have to deal with by following fashion enough to not look stupid, they make our clothes like crap, so they fall apart even after they're worn a couple of times. Oh...and the dry cleaning bills. Dont' even go there.

Luke, I'm as simple as they come when it comes to wardrobe, but I still have 3-4 times the amount of clothing my husband has. I'm lucky. I can wear jeans most times. I don't do church, so I don't dress for that. I still have something to wear for funerals and weddings and the symphony.

Oh, and if I perform somewhere, I do have a bit of basic black stuff that covers the seasons and will do for that sort of thing. Fortunately, those are always simple-lined clothes, because people are supposed to be paying attention to the music, not my clothes. :) I have a short sleeved dress, a long warm skirt, a longish lighter skirt, black slacks (2- winter and summer weight) white blouse, black top (for the full black effect) and 2 pairs of shoes, according to the weather. There's nothing I can delete from this.

For performance clothes, here's what the guys have: 1 pair black slacks, 1 white dress shirt, 1 black shirt, 1 tie, tux (bought secondhand). Oh yeah, one pair black shoes -- when were oxfords ever out of style? Not in my lifetime.

Even in something as simple as performance wear, I still have easily 2-3 times the clothing needs they do.

For the final point, you may think women look fine in jeans and a t-shirt, but there are plenty of men who think otherwise (remember Faint?) and at some ages jeans and t-shirts are not the most flattering things women could be wearing.
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
lunamoth said:
The young woman who cut my hair today seemed fairly inexperienced, but she luckily she hit upon some language that made sense to me ("like a modified wedge?") and away she went. So now I know, if my haircuts are going to be hit or miss anyway I can at least save myself about $35 dollars per month and get the same or better results.

I think this is why I stuck with my antiquated 60s hairstyle. :biglaugh:

My husband cuts my hair for free. I cut my daughter's and my son's hair. Dave just has a buzz anyway. I could do that in my sleep.
 

jacquie4000

Well-Known Member
Couldn't say it better myself, Hope. I wear a size 5, and shoe-shopping, as much as I love it, is certainly a real adventure.
:)

I also take between a 5 and 6 and at times it is a challage.
I found some really good shoes last winter though and was quite happy with myself.

Haircuts can be quite the pain...Luckily I had a girlfriend that decided to go to school a few years back and she is great.

My son however has the afro thing going on......lol really curly hair. I would like to sneak in his room in the middle of the night and shave it off:D

But you know what he gets more compliments on it, isn't that crazy. Now it is like a status thing with him.
 

Hema

Sweet n Spicy
Join the club. Sometimes I hate being a woman too. I hate the fact that I'm scared of being raped when I go out in public, I hate menstrual cramps, I hate when men make whistling and other calling noises to me, I hate when men shout vulgarities at me. I hate knowing that other women are beaten by men they know. I'm not male bashing though. There is a man whom I love with all my heart and whom I trust more than any woman out there (except my mom of course).

Then there's the times when I go jeans shopping! Aaargh! The women in my family have big butts and wide hips. (Not bad all the time though, think J.Lo). What on earth is my correct bra size, can anyone tell me? The size I'm wearing now is a little too tight and when I buy the bigger size, the thing is too big.

Oh yeah! A man can choose to have a mustache. We can't.

One more thing? What on God's blue-green earth can be done with my hair? The thing is hopeless. Aaaargh!
 

Ðanisty

Well-Known Member
I also can't find a hair stylist that knows what to do. I prefer a slightly tapered bob cut with really straight, short bangs. If the stylist does it right and to the exact length and angle I specify, I don't have to blow dry it or use any styling products. I hate blow drying my hair and styling products just suck. However, I can't seem to find a stylist that can do this consistently on every haircut. I also have fine hair and if it isn't done just right, it will be extremely flat or flip up instead of under. What really irritates me is that I always go in with reference pictures and they still can't get it right. I've stopped dying my hair and I've decided to grow it out because I'm just sick of bad haircuts. Once it grows out, I'm going to do the whole Betty Page thing which I know my husband will really like.

Clothes? Forget it. They don't make nice looking clothes in my size and when they do, it's outrageously expensive. Shoes? I wear a 10 wide. Try finding remotely nice looking women's shoes in a wide.:cover:

I've actually started shopping in the men's department. Old Navy has some really nice men's shirts and I can get them at the outlet store for a great price.
 

!Fluffy!

Lacking Common Sense
lunamoth said:
Thank you Mark. Yes, thank God I live in Colorado and not San Francisco or NYC.

What I don't understand is that many women I know complain about these things. It makes me want to open a combination women's clothing/hairstyle/coffee and book store for the millions of us who want classy simple things without turning shopping into a full-time occupation.

:)

I've often had the same thoughts. I have no interest in becoming a clothing designer but I'd do it if I could just to have decent clothes to wear. I stick with a lot of black and white and simple lines too, for color I wear bright t-shirts and camis from Old Navy. If it's not comfortable I won't wear it.

For the office and dressy occasions the key for me is to find simple comfortable cuts with good structure but made with expensive/exotic fabrics. And I have to look everywhere for good clothes at a reasonable price. For weddings I have a simple sweater set, knit in metallic mint and silver. I wear it with wide-leg black satin pants slit way up the sides, with a chiffon overlay. I paid under $200 for the whole thing including comfortable round-toed black velvet shoes. It's definitely a comfortable outfit and easy to wear. But I had to look everywhere and finally found it at Parisian.

I refuse to wear anything fru fru-frilly, belted, pleated or complicated. I hate pointy toed shoes but I like the new-old 40's looking open toed platform pumps. Nice looking with a good pedicure.

As for haircuts, the last one I got was a really good one.. at Wal Mart! But it always seems to be a matter of chance. I've gotten some of my worst cuts at the most expensive salons and I just don't want to spend the money anymore.

Does anyone else like Old Navy as much as I do? The sizes are silly sometimes but I always seem to find something good there.
 

Bastet

Vile Stove-Toucher
lunamoth said:
OK, this is something of a rant...:sorry1: but...

Sometimes I really hate being a woman, and one of those times is when I have to find someone new to cut my hair. This is often a very stressful experience for me and I know this seems overblown and I don't think I'm overly vain but I would like to look stylish and not like a FREAK when I walk out of salon.

I like to have my hair cut short, but it needs to be a precision cut because my hair is very fine. I can usually tell while the person is cutting whether they have any idea of what they are doing...and if they start asking me lots of questions about lines and length then I know we are in trouble because...I have no idea of how to cut hair! What did they go to school for if they need to ask me????

And I'm not going for budget cuts either. I go to what I think are fairly expensive places, I'm paying $45 plus tip for these haircuts! But I am about ready to go to a Supercuts or a barber for goodness sakes and pay $20 because spending this money is doing me no good.

Yesterday I went to a new place. I could tell we were in trouble right away. But this is the worst cut I've had in a long time, the stylist cut one side of my bangs way too short so there a huge gap in front, and then cut the top too short so it sticks up!!@! The rest of it feels uneven as well...and the back is cut square and very unflattering when I specifically said I'd like it be have a little fringe to it. Help!
Trust me, if there's something I can sympathise with it's a crappy haircut. :cover: Many years ago I had long hair, and at that point wanted to keep it long, since it was one of the times QTR was talking about getting married (thankfully it didn't happen lol). But I also wanted a bit of style to it. My hair is dead straight, and when it was long I used to wear it all the same length, cut blunt on the ends. Anyway, the haircut before The Haircut From Hell, I'd had some layers cut into it. I also have the problem of having really fine hair and scissor marks showing up really badly, so the layers were razored in to soften the lines up some. It looked really good, and gave my hair some much-needed body.

Back then I used to go to this budget don't-need-an-appointment salon in the back of a beauty products store, where usually I'd have a different person each time cutting my hair. I couldn't remember who'd given me the layered cut last time, but I figured I'd be safe enough with the girl they'd given me. I couldn't have been more wrong.

Not realising at the time that what I wanted was razored layers (or about the whole scissor marks showing up badly in my hair), I asked her to layer my hair a bit - pretty much in the style it was currently in, just a little shorter to take off the dead ends. She blow dried it and shoved me out the door before I could tell anyone I wasn't really happy with it. You know that haircut that looks like someone's put a pudding bowl on your head and cut around it? Think that, only in long layers. It looked terrible.

So I went back the next day and showed them my hair, explained what I'd wanted and asked that they fix it. I was hoping they'd give me a different hairdresser to the girl who'd cocked it up the day before, but sadly not. I'm not sure who they were punishing - me or her.

As soon as she had that razor in her hand and the deer-in-the-headlights look in her eye, I should have called it to a halt and demanded someone else do it. But I was rather more shy back then than I am these days, and I figured, she's been to school, right? She'll know what she's doing, right?

Wrong.

She hacked away at my tresses with that razor, pulling out as much hair as she cut off...stopping every so often to check that she was keeping both sides even. Then hacking away some more when she discovered they weren't. Eventually she was done, and 3/4 of my hair was on the floor. I was barely able to scrape back what was left into a tiny pony tail, no more than 2 inches at its longest point, and no thicker than my pinky finger. Before that my hair had hung down to below my bra strap. I wanted to cry. And when I got home, I did.

The next day at work I asked around to see if anyone knew of a good hairdresser who could fix my hair, because there was absolutely no way I was going back to the other place (and I literally have not set foot in it since). I got the name of someone and went there after work. She took one look at me and squeezed me into her already full schedule for that day. By the time she'd tutted over the hatchet job that had been done, and I'd cried some more about it, I was resigned to her cutting it all off super short and me starting again. What I came out with was a short bob that came to about mid-ear - something far longer than I'd expected. It took nearly a year of her magic cuts and TLC until my hair had thickened up enough for me to start growing it long again.

Since then I've had it long and short several times, and she's the one who shaved my head the first time I did it. I don't think I've ever had a bad cut from her, and I've been going to her now for about 8 years. She's changed businesses and now works out of her house on the other side of town, but I drive the distance to get her to cut my hair (well, I will be again soon once it's long enough to style). I won't let anyone else touch it.

Oh, and she named her first daughter 'Meg'. :D
 

lunamoth

Will to love
Bastet said:
Trust me, if there's something I can sympathise with it's a crappy haircut. :cover: Many years ago I had long hair, and at that point wanted to keep it long, since it was one of the times QTR was talking about getting married (thankfully it didn't happen lol). But I also wanted a bit of style to it. My hair is dead straight, and when it was long I used to wear it all the same length, cut blunt on the ends. Anyway, the haircut before The Haircut From Hell, ...

Oh my goodness that is a hair horror story! My hair has always been short so the saving grace is that even when I get a terrible cut it's only a month or two before I can recover, IF (and it's a big IF) I can find someone to do a decent job the next time.

So, you dare to go bare! You must have a good skull shape. My older daughter has a beautiful skull and could definitely go with the bald look (at some future date--she's only six!). My littler one and myself...not so much. :D
 

Bastet

Vile Stove-Toucher
lunamoth said:
So, you dare to go bare! You must have a good skull shape. My older daughter has a beautiful skull and could definitely go with the bald look (at some future date--she's only six!). My littler one and myself...not so much. :D
My profile pic here is of me with a my head shaved. I've had it like that continuously for about 18 months now. I finally got bored with it - I want to colour it, but it's a little hard to do at that length lol. I haven't cut it for almost 6 weeks now, so it's starting to get a little longer, I'll give it a few more weeks then make an appointment with Lee to get her to give it some style so I don't look like a bottlebrush. :p Then I'm gonna dye it purple. :D
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
What's there to be upset about being a woman? you have half the money and all the *****.
Have you seen how a woman gets treated in any business deal? Especially when it comes to cars. Seriously, alot of guys hand over thier paycheck to thier wife/girlfriend, but other than that, they are treated like second class citizens. The glass ceiling was even coined to describe the dificulty of women achieving high positions in the business place.
Personally, I would hate to go to Autozone for a special tool, or a particular part, and have to go through alot of attached bs because of protruding breasts, which is why I'm thankful I am male. I can go in, ask for a part, and get it.
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
Luke Wolf said:
Personally, I would hate to go to Autozone for a special tool, or a particular part, and have to go through alot of attached bs because of protruding breasts

Not if you're lesbian and know the lesbian working behind the counter. :)
 

Bastet

Vile Stove-Toucher
Dr. Nosophoros said:
What's there to be upset about being a woman? you have half the money and all the *****.
Unless you're a lesbian, in which case you have twice the *****. ;)
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Having long hair just seems like so much work. I can only relate to you in my mind Luna! :eek:
 

jmaster78

Member
robtex said:
Luna, the crazist part about your OP is that men don't care about how a woman's shoes or hair or dress look. Women dress-up essentially for other women. Women make interpretations and preceptions based on appareal much more quickly and often than men. To me and most other guys you would be the same woman if you wore tennis shoes and some jeans or if you an expensive skirt and shoes that hurt your feet.

Unfortunately Luna this isn't strictly true, i know what robex is saying and would make sence in a perfect world where people weren't so shallow. but this is the real world and we're not in the stoneage anymore. men have always appreciated woman that make an effort to stand out from the crowd, especially nowadays when men are finally beginning to take more pride in their own appearance. But i will say that women judge their appearance much more stringently, a woman might spend all evening getting ready for a date and think she looks awful, but her date will be blown away. you can have a simple low maintenance haircut and still have great hair. and comfortable clothes and still have an amazing wardrobe. simply, men love a girl that makes an effort even if that effort only took five minutes, we'll never guess.
 

Tao of Pooh

Member
I'm a woman who doesn't really care about the effect my hair/clothes/shoes/make-up thingies have on others. Anything I do to my appearance is for my pleasure only, If someone else likes it...hey, good for them.
Granted, this has probably held me back with regards to "better" job opportunites buuut...they're probably the types of jobs I really wouldn't like anyway. Wouldn't mind the pay tho :p
 
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