Sorry, I just haaaveee to ask.

[Muffled]

1. Is it me or is saying as an example only as the claim Catholics pray to priest to get to God the same as some protestants go to the Bible to get to Christ?

2. From a non christian (Muslim and Jewish) perspective, even more so isn't Catholics going to the priest to get to God the same as christians going to Christ?

IF the claim is true that Catholics go to the priest to get to God why would it not be true for protestants (1st question) or christians (2nd question)?

The point is whether the two actions are the same concept NOT whether one is true and the other false.

I hate doing clauses.

I believe the concept is that one will get good information from God but not as good information from men. If a priest were filled with the Holy Spirit, he would be as reliable a source as God. For instance since I am filled with the Holy Spirit I would be as reliable source as God also and I am a Protestant. The Bible is a good source but it is dependent on intepretation and false teachers misinterpret the Bible all the time. However the Bible is helpful to discern whether one is hearing from the Holy Spirit or some other spirit.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

1. Is it me or is saying as an example only as the claim Catholics pray to priest to get to God the same as some protestants go to the Bible to get to Christ?

2. From a non christian (Muslim and Jewish) perspective, even more so isn't Catholics going to the priest to get to God the same as christians going to Christ?

IF the claim is true that Catholics go to the priest to get to God why would it not be true for protestants (1st question) or christians (2nd question)?

The point is whether the two actions are the same concept NOT whether one is true and the other false.

I hate doing clauses.

The title of "Christian" Ecompasses both Protestant and Catholic faiths. Protestants by and large tend to not believe in confession or any veil between god and people. Catholics believe in being able to talk directly to god but god works through tools on earth such as sacraments. However protestant churches believe that the idea of a priest forgiving sins is non-biblical and thus reject it stating that only Jesus himself could absolve their sins. It becomes a messy little talk when you get between the differences of protestant and Catholic beliefs.

 

[Muffled]

Well this depends on whether you are Catholic or Protestant.

According to the Roman Catholic Church, if you are not one of them you cannot get to god. Priests are your intermediary ... you are told to ask Mary to pray for you as well as sundry saints. In essence this means that you have several helpers you use to reach god. Therefore you cannot have a personal relationship with god.

Now according to Protestants, none of the above are necessary to have a relationship with god. You remove all these "helpers" who stand between you and god ... except Jesus ... & your relationship with god is a lot more personal.

I believe that is in essence Judaism where one needs a prophet in order to hear from God and a bunch of rules (law) when there is no prophet present and an erudite group (rabbis, priests) to interpret the rules.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Since priest have the Holy Spirit thus good reliable information from God wouldnt that be the same as getting information you or from people in scripture? or is getting info from people in scripture more trustworthy than people, priests ex, you, and another other person today who too have the spirit of God but not born 3,000 years ago?

I mean when you go to the bible, one is still going to people who were inspired by God just as you and the priests are today. Is there really a difference? or do protestants really thinking the priests are God to a Catholic?

I believe the concept is that one will get good information from God but not as good information from men. If a priest were filled with the Holy Spirit, he would be as reliable a source as God. For instance since I am filled with the Holy Spirit I would be as reliable source as God also and I am a Protestant. The Bible is a good source but it is dependent on intepretation and false teachers misinterpret the Bible all the time. However the Bible is helpful to discern whether one is hearing from the Holy Spirit or some other spirit.

 

[metis]

I believe that is in essence Judaism where one needs a prophet in order to hear from God and a bunch of rules (law) when there is no prophet present and an erudite group (rabbis, priests) to interpret the rules.

Where in the world did you get that from? You don't think we believe in prayer and revelation?

And, btw, if you actually read Exodus, you'll note that Moses is told by God to create courts, and these courts ("bet din" in Hebrew) could decide various matters that could be under contention. That system has been continuous through today, although some spin-off aspects of it have evolved over the many centuries.

 

[Tiapan]

Anyone can find imaginary creatures under every rock if you close your eyes.

 

[NulliuSINverba]

1. Is it me or is saying as an example only as the claim Catholics pray to priest to get to God the same as some protestants go to the Bible to get to Christ?

I could be mistaken, but ... Catholics don't pray to priests, correct? They do pray to God's earthly mother ... or rather the mother of God's earthly incarnation ... or however it is that they put it. But that's another story.

They don't actually pray to priests, correct? Unless the priest has been sainted ... in which case perhaps they do actually pray to certain priests?

2. From a non christian (Muslim and Jewish) perspective, even more so isn't Catholics going to the priest to get to God the same as christians going to Christ?

Undoubtedly, it would seem like any non-Trinitarian monotheist might take offense at the Christian doctrine of a "holy trinity." It's true that even Trinitarian Christians have never really ironed all the wrinkles out of that one, right?

IF the claim is true that Catholics go to the priest to get to God why would it not be true for protestants (1st question) or christians (2nd question)?

Try thinking of Catholicism as a rock concert. The priest is the big, burly dude in the "EVENT STAFF" t-shirt who is there to keep you from getting hurt while crowd surfing. It might also be worth noting that those big, burly dudes are also paid to make sure you remain a spectator and don't interrupt the show.

The point is whether the two actions are the same concept NOT whether one is true and the other false.

As I understand it, Protestantism was simply a back-to-basics approach to Christianity after centuries of Las Vegas-styled glitz and spectacle (to say nothing of rampant political corruption).

I hate doing clauses.

Q. - Is it true that he's actually making a list and checking it twice?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

They don't actually pray to priests, correct? Unless the priest has been sainted ... in which case perhaps they do actually pray to certain priests?

Naw. Catholics do not pray to priest. Inwas assuming many anti catholics assume we did.

I was comparing how anti catholics go to the bible to get to Christ and if it is the same way they "think" catholics go through the priest to get to Christ.

 

[Muffled]

Since priest have the Holy Spirit thus good reliable information from God wouldnt that be the same as getting information you or from people in scripture? or is getting info from people in scripture more trustworthy than people, priests ex, you, and another other person today who too have the spirit of God but not born 3,000 years ago?

I mean when you go to the bible, one is still going to people who were inspired by God just as you and the priests are today. Is there really a difference? or do protestants really thinking the priests are God to a Catholic?

I believe this is an assumption that may or may not prove to be true.

I believe If there is a contradiction that the Bible is more reliable. If there is no information in the Bible (that does happen) then it would be helpful if two or more people have the same information by the HS.

The same thing works for the Bible ie that those without the HS will not interpret the Bible correctly.

I believe I can't speak for them even though I am one but I believe most protestants believe that each person is able to receive the HS so a preist is not necessary as an intercessor. I tend to believe that many pastors tend to view info claimed to be from the HS as unreliable. So the upshot of that is belief in a personal relationship but not a belief that the HS will bring a word through another person.

 

[Muffled]

Where in the world did you get that from? You don't think we believe in prayer and revelation?

And, btw, if you actually read Exodus, you'll note that Moses is told by God to create courts, and these courts ("bet din" in Hebrew) could decide various matters that could be under contention. That system has been continuous through today, although some spin-off aspects of it have evolved over the many centuries.

I believe modern Judaism has evolved but I have no information on Judaisms view of pryer and revelation. other than the general concept that there are those who pray. So please inform me.

 

[Muffled]

Anyone can find imaginary creatures under every rock if you close your eyes.

I agree but I dont believe I can see how that is pertinent.

 

[Markella]

1. Is it me or is saying as an example only as the claim Catholics pray to priest to get to God the same as some protestants go to the Bible to get to Christ?

2. From a non christian (Muslim and Jewish) perspective, even more so isn't Catholics going to the priest to get to God the same as christians going to Christ?

IF the claim is true that Catholics go to the priest to get to God why would it not be true for protestants (1st question) or christians (2nd question)?

The point is whether the two actions are the same concept NOT whether one is true and the other false.

I hate doing clauses.

I see the concept as being quite similar with the difference of "tiers". The concept of good and evil is similar, but the paths of how to perceive God differs.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I believe this is an assumption that may or may not prove to be true.

I believe If there is a contradiction that the Bible is more reliable. If there is no information in the Bible (that does happen) then it would be helpful if two or more people have the same information by the HS.

The same thing works for the Bible ie that those without the HS will not interpret the Bible correctly.

I believe I can't speak for them even though I am one but I believe most protestants believe that each person is able to receive the HS so a preist is not necessary as an intercessor. I tend to believe that many pastors tend to view info claimed to be from the HS as unreliable. So the upshot of that is belief in a personal relationship but not a belief that the HS will bring a word through another person.

Basically, if the words dont contradict from people in and out of scripture, it is from the Holy Spirit? Priests are nkt intercessors, though. All christians have a direct communication with God. Why is that overlooked by protestants?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I see the concept as being quite similar with the difference of "tiers". The concept of good and evil is similar, but the paths of how to perceive God differs.

Tiers? please ellaborate.

 

[metis]

I believe modern Judaism has evolved but I have no information on Judaisms view of pryer and revelation. other than the general concept that there are those who pray. So please inform me.

There's really not at all much difference between Jews and Christians when it comes to prayer, and I go to both services regularly as my wife is a Christian. As far as "revelation" is concerned, much like many Christians, we don't believe revelations suddenly just stopped with the creation of our canon, and also one can also be inspired through education in general-- after all, God did give us humans a brain.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The problem with that is no one NEED to go to the priest to speak to God. It is not a requirement to talk with Mary and the saints. I personally didnt speak to Mary until later. When I went to confession, God forgave me not the priest. You can take the saints and priests from the Church, God will still be there. No Catholic replaces God with Mary and a priest. It isnt taught as a necesssry way to go to Christ. I know a lot of protestants who went Catholic and dont pray to the saints. They pray striaght to God "and" they are Catholic.

I just dont know why anti catholics or anyone talking incorrectly about what Catholics do but not realizing they should focus on what the Church teaches. Not all Catholics talk to saints and the priest to get to God. Priests are to help with confession and give the Eucharist. All blessings and forgiveness in christianity comes from God.

A Catholic knows this. Why should anyone think otherwise?

Well this depends on whether you are Catholic or Protestant.

According to the Roman Catholic Church, if you are not one of them you cannot get to god. Priests are your intermediary ... you are told to ask Mary to pray for you as well as sundry saints. In essence this means that you have several helpers you use to reach god. Therefore you cannot have a personal relationship with god.

Now according to Protestants, none of the above are necessary to have a relationship with god. You remove all these "helpers" who stand between you and god ... except Jesus ... & your relationship with god is a lot more personal.

 

[idav]

1. Is it me or is saying as an example only as the claim Catholics pray to priest to get to God the same as some protestants go to the Bible to get to Christ?

2. From a non christian (Muslim and Jewish) perspective, even more so isn't Catholics going to the priest to get to God the same as christians going to Christ?

IF the claim is true that Catholics go to the priest to get to God why would it not be true for protestants (1st question) or christians (2nd question)?

The point is whether the two actions are the same concept NOT whether one is true and the other false.

I hate doing clauses.

It is about the same thing, communication or connection with divine. Either directly or indirectly is means of how to accomplish it.

 

[Markella]

Tiers? please ellaborate.

Within most Religions there are main profits or Gods rather they be pluralistic or singular yet having one beings stronger than another on some level. This IMO creates a "tier" sort of mentality.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Within most Religions there are main profits or Gods rather they be pluralistic or singular yet having one beings stronger than another on some level. This IMO creates a "tier" sort of mentality.

If Im understanding you correctly, the level of gods over another suggest a hiarchy mentality? If so, religion sounds more political than for self growth.

 

[InChrist]

I was raised Catholic and was always taught that the way to God or heaven was through the Catholic Church and the sacraments of baptism, holy communion, confirmation, confession, etc., all of which the priests administer to the members. It is not just the Catholic Church which has set itself up as another mediator between God and humanity, many other groups do the same in varying degrees. But I think the scriptures are simple enough that... For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus (1 Timothy 2:5).