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SOS message to Christian women and men: Do you accept the stoning of women for reasons of adultery

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the_naturalist

Member
In the Old Testament, it states that if a woman should commit adultery, she should be stoned to death

Further, in the Old Testament, it states that if a woman should not scream loud enough while being raped, she should be stoned to death for not screaming loud enough and for her own defilement

Is this acceptable in any way, shape, or form ?

Thank you

The Naturalist
 
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the_naturalist

Member
To: Stephenw ... that is the problem with you funadmentalist, you believe in absence of evidence ... no, i not agent smith ... who the hec is agent smith ... the naturalist
 
Eliot Wild

Eliot Wild

Irreverent Agnostic Jerk
Didn't Jesus himself already answer this question?

Remember . . . The pharisees were trying to punk Jesus, trying to make him look a fool or catch him in a mind trap, so they brought before him an adulteress and asked him what he commanded they do with her since the Judaic Law required that she be stoned to death for her sins. A crowd had gathered to witness the event, but Jesus stayed all cool and remote, never even looking up from drawing in the dirt where he was kneeling on the ground.

Then suddenly he turns to them and says, he among you who is without sin, let him cast the first stone. BURN!!!!!

Did that really happen? I honestly don't know. But it is a cool story. And I would think it is the definitive Christian answer on the the not-so-hot-topic issue of stoning.
 
Noaidi

Noaidi

slow walker
I think what the_naturalist may be getting at is: if the bible is the inspired word of god, what is that kind of punishment doing in there (in addition to offering up your daughter for rape, the best way to treat your slaves etc)? Is it reflective of a fair, just and all loving deity?
 
sandandfoam

sandandfoam

Veteran Member
Noaidi said:
I think what the_naturalist may be getting at is: if the bible is the inspired word of god, what is that kind of punishment doing in there (in addition to offering up your daughter for rape, the best way to treat your slaves etc)? Is it reflective of a fair, just and all loving deity?
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Hi,

He's speaking to Christian men and women - if he only wants to speak to mad as a brush literalists he should say so :D
 
Eliot Wild

Eliot Wild

Irreverent Agnostic Jerk
Noaidi said:
I think what the_naturalist may be getting at is: if the bible is the inspired word of god, what is that kind of punishment doing in there (in addition to offering up your daughter for rape, the best way to treat your slaves etc)? Is it reflective of a fair, just and all loving deity?
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I suppose I agree with the sentiments. And I certainly agree with your assessment of this Old Testament proposed quality of God's character. It does make the God of the Old Testament look kind of like a douche . . . a really, sick, twisted, death-obsessed douche, at that.

That is why I find it really hard to accept the Bible as the infallible word of God, downright impossible actually.

But I still find a lot of truth in what is attributed to Jesus. I especially like the "let-him-cast-the-first-stone" story. This is one of those stories that judgmental Christians seem to overlook from time to time.
 
kejos

kejos

Active Member
the_naturalist said:
In the Old Testament, it states that if a woman should commit adultery, she should be stoned to death

Further, in the Old Testament, it states that if a woman should not scream loud enough while being raped, she should be stoned to death for not screaming loud enough and for her own defilement

Is this acceptable in any way, shape, or form ?
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What do you mean, is acceptable? The OT has not applied to any since Jesus' crucifixion, and applied to very few before that.
 
mickiel

mickiel

Well-Known Member
the_naturalist said:
In the Old Testament, it states that if a woman should commit adultery, she should be stoned to death

Further, in the Old Testament, it states that if a woman should not scream loud enough while being raped, she should be stoned to death for not screaming loud enough and for her own defilement

The Naturalist
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I would like to read both of those verses if you could provide them. Where does the bible say that if a woman does not scream loud enough its defilement? And where does the bible tell people to stone women to deatrh for adultry?

Show me both please.

Peace.
 
tumbleweed41

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
mickiel said:
I would like to read both of those verses if you could provide them. Where does the bible say that if a woman does not scream loud enough its defilement? And where does the bible tell people to stone women to deatrh for adultry?

Show me both please.

Peace.
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Deuteronomy 22:23-24 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife. You must purge the evil from among you.
 
Breathe

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
the_naturalist said:
Is this acceptable in anyway, shape, or form ?
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:facepalm:




Jesus said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - so why would Christians completely ignore what they believe Christ taught and do such a thing?


Is this really a serious question?
 
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tumbleweed41

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
These should only be relevant to the Christian who insists on the accuracy of OT law in relation to modern Christianity.

Any Christian who is more motivated by the teachings of Jesus than OT law, would recognize that Jesus not only discredited the stoning of the adulteress, but also promoted Love as the greatest of commandments.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
kejos said:
What do you mean, is acceptable? The OT has not applied to any since Jesus' crucifixion, and applied to very few before that.
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So... while the rule doesn't apply now and it didn't apply to everyone when it did, it was once good and moral for certain people to behave this way?

BTW - I think all those Christians who try to get Ten Commandments monuments put up in courthouses and city halls would disagree with you about the relevance of the OT.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
9-10ths_Penguin said:
So... while the rule doesn't apply now and it didn't apply to everyone when it did, it was once good and moral for certain people to behave this way?

BTW - I think all those Christians who try to get Ten Commandments monuments put up in courthouses and city halls would disagree with you about the relevance of the OT.
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I don't think so, and there are several ways of interpreting the text.

(1) Paul, for example, theorized that the "law" was given to us because we had hardened hearts - both the breaking of the law and the execution of the punishment were indicators of the sin and uncleanliness of everyone. Paul was trained as a Jewish teacher in Jerusalem....

(2) The later rabbis practiced a rather wild form of exegesis. They would not interpret this literally at all. The stoning of an adulteress could mean that the stones are bread and the religious people should not eat it on the day that they find an adulteress.

I think that it's quite evident that most Jews did not keep the execution laws - or much of any other laws. The ones that did take the laws were extremists and often persecuted the more moderate Jews.
 
mickiel

mickiel

Well-Known Member
tumbleweed41 said:
Deuteronomy 22:23-24 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the girl because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man's wife. You must purge the evil from among you.
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Goodness, I must say I am shocked. Its in my bible as well.

Good greif.

Peace.
 
kejos

kejos

Active Member
9-10ths_Penguin said:
So... while the rule doesn't apply now and it didn't apply to everyone when it did, it was once good and moral for certain people to behave this way?
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Of what concern is it to non-Christians?

Why are Jews never asked such questions?

BTW - I think all those Christians who try to get Ten Commandments monuments put up in courthouses and city halls would disagree with you about the relevance of the OT.
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Christians don't do such things, do they.
 
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