metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Only when I can get away with it.
BTW, ever been to France or Quebec? Need I say more?
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South Dakota governor vetoes anti-transgender bathroom bill.
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BTW, ever been to France or Quebec? Need I say more?
Draka
Wonder Woman
Wow, this is some ridiculous crap being discussed here. At what point do people inspect the genitals of those who enter a public restroom they are in to make sure they look a particular way? People go in a restroom to relieve themselves. I know I go in to do such. I'm not in there to wave my genitals around at others to make them feel uncomfortable. I'm not in there hoping to "hook up". Hell, I will use a men's restroom if the women's is full up or too nasty. I'm there to pee. They are there to pee. Who gives a flying rat's ***?
With a good many transgenders you can not tell at first glance that they are trans. And if you are taking long enough to study someone in the bathroom with the intent of trying to figure out if they are trans or not then perhaps it is you with the issue in the first place. Why would you inspect people in the restroom? Are you some perv? I would be more uncomfortable around someone inspecting people in the restroom than a transwoman who came in to pee. Damn. Apparently it isn't trans people who have the issue with using the bathroom, it's the pervs wanting to examine their bodies and genitals to figure out if they should feel "uncomfortable" around them.
They are bodies. Genitals. Not guns or knives or bombs people. Why are people feeling threatened over genitals? What? Do penises jump out and attack people in restrooms while they are peeing? Is just having a penis a bad and dangerous thing? Why do we teach women to be afraid of penises? What a person's genitals are has nothing to do with who they are or how they treat people. That's the person themselves. I know women I wouldn't want to even be in the same room with no matter where we are and there are men I couldn't care less if they showered right next to me in an open shower area. People are people, not genitals.
With a good many transgenders you can not tell at first glance that they are trans. And if you are taking long enough to study someone in the bathroom with the intent of trying to figure out if they are trans or not then perhaps it is you with the issue in the first place. Why would you inspect people in the restroom? Are you some perv? I would be more uncomfortable around someone inspecting people in the restroom than a transwoman who came in to pee. Damn. Apparently it isn't trans people who have the issue with using the bathroom, it's the pervs wanting to examine their bodies and genitals to figure out if they should feel "uncomfortable" around them.
They are bodies. Genitals. Not guns or knives or bombs people. Why are people feeling threatened over genitals? What? Do penises jump out and attack people in restrooms while they are peeing? Is just having a penis a bad and dangerous thing? Why do we teach women to be afraid of penises? What a person's genitals are has nothing to do with who they are or how they treat people. That's the person themselves. I know women I wouldn't want to even be in the same room with no matter where we are and there are men I couldn't care less if they showered right next to me in an open shower area. People are people, not genitals.
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
"PIERRE, S.D. — South Dakota's governor vetoed a bill Tuesday that would have made the state the first in the U.S. to approve a law requiring transgender students to use bathrooms and locker rooms that match their sex at birth.
Republican Gov. Dennis Daugaard, who initially reacted positively to the proposal but said he needed to research the issue, rejected the bill after the American Civil Liberties Union and the Human Rights Campaign insisted it was discriminatory. In his veto message, Daugaard said the bill "does not address any pressing issue" and such decisions were best left to local school officials."
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/south-dakota-governor-vetoes-law-transgender-bathrooms-n529466
I'm very relieved about this. I was really worried he was going to let it become law. That would've been very scary.
I am glad it was overturned as well. Chaz Bono is transgender. Would anyone say he belongs in a ladies washroom? It saddens me that there seems to be an almost need among Americans to go after anything different. Being transgender hurts no one, and they still have rights.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Yes I have. What's your point?Only when I can get away with it.
BTW, ever been to France or Quebec? Need I say more?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Nudity isn't the problem-- how we may look at nudity may or may not be a problem depending on one's attitude. To me, if one doesn't like something that doesn't directly affect them, then maybe it's best for them not to look.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Who said anything about nudity being the issue?
Draka
Wonder Woman
Nudity isn't an issue apparently, the issue is the big bad penises that will jump out of the pants of some transgender women and attack others in the women's room.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Revisit your posts #28 & 29. If it's not related to nudity, what's the difference if the person in the stall next to you is male or female-- we all pee and poop?
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
This is why I sometimes think we should just make all restrooms unisex. Solve the problem, and not treat something as basic as going to the washroom as a way to discriminate against people.
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
Back to the original post. T his is about students using the same restrooms and locker rooms in school. Do you really think teensagers should be using the same locker rooms and showers with people who have different bodies from theirs? Can you see boys showering with girls who call themselves boys but have female anatomy or girls showering with boys who call themselves girls but still have male anatomy? It might not be a problem for adults to use a bathroom stall next to someone different but teenagers have enough problems without this. Get back to the original post and discuss students in school using facilities with other students who have different body parts.
Draka
Wonder Woman
Have been. See no issue with it. I have had 3 daughters and would have no issue whatsoever with a transgender girl sharing the same facilities as them. My youngest is 7 and she already knows what transgender means and it is no big deal to her. Nope. It isn't an issue at all except for the people who, for some perverted reason, want to make it an issue.
It would sure help cut down on lines. There have certainly been times I've looked at the lines for women's restrooms, then the lack of a line for the men's restroom, and gone "screw it, I'm going over here.... this is stupid."
esmith
Veteran Member
It seems that the hangup of many is the idea of seeing someone of the opposite sex naked(shudder). Yeah there may be incidents of young boys getting sexual aroused if they see a naked young nubile female, who knows maybe even young girls having the same reaction to a strapping young well endowed muscled male. Given time, and it doesn't really take long for the brain to no longer associates nakedness with propagating. Actually it doesn't take long, l, being giggled at is embarrassing and embarrassment is a powerful too. I know, I speak from experience. So maybe we should start teaching our children there is nothing wrong with the human body and nakedness is not a sin , if that is what it is perceived as. I know of no other reason it would be. Maybe those that object to it could give a reason other than that.
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leibowde84
Veteran Member
More embarrassing sounds and smells I guess.
I notice that shrubbery, fences, trees, & Volvos don't have signs specifying MEN or WOMEN.
Clearly, they're intended to be used by anyone feeling the call of nature.
Other than the occasional objections from nosy law enforcement, there's no problem.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I've been to new shopping malls in Quebec that have done just that.
However, I do understand the cultural hangups on this issue here in the States and in other locations worldwide, and I do indeed feel we need to take that into consideration as well. Then maybe we here can move to the step you recommend above. IOW, an evolution versus a revolution.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Mine comes out smelling like roses-- dead ones that crawled up my butt and died, but roses nevertheless.
Wirey
Fartist
Is this a serious question? So every gay man is a threat to a woman's virginity? Did I miss the memo on that or something?
Wirey
Fartist
Now that I got the police to have that chat with you, you're not.
Draka
Wonder Woman
Hey, breasts aren't genitals. And I was breastfeeding you perv.