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Speculation; Peter is not the rock

sooda

Veteran Member
mean you would not accept it in order to prove validity of a spirit of man. Got following from biblehub which would you accept?

Gen 2:7 KJV And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Young's Literal Translation
And Jehovah God formeth the man -- dust from the ground, and breatheth into his nostrils breath of life, and the man becometh a living creature.

Good News Translation
Then the LORD God took some soil from the ground and formed a man out of it; he breathed life-giving breath into his nostrils and the man began to live.

New International Version
Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.


I thought we were talking about Enoch and the Book of Jubilees.

Book of Jubilees | pseudepigraphal work | Britannica
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Book-of-Jubilees
Jubilees, in its final form, was likely written about 100 bc, though it incorporates much older mythological traditions. Its isolationist religious spirit and its strictness led the Essene sect of Jews at Qumrān in Palestine to quote extensively from it in the Damascus Document, one of their major works.
 

moorea944

Well-Known Member
Book of Jubilees which some refer to as little genesis says God created spirits on the first day.

so the following verses which say spirit of man are mistranslations?

Pro 20:27 The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.

Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

also what would be the understanding of spirit in Ecc 11:5?

Ecc 11:5 As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.


Again, your taking the word "spirit" out of context.....
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
mean you would not accept it in order to prove validity of a spirit of man. Got following from biblehub which would you accept?

Gen 2:7 KJV And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Young's Literal Translation
And Jehovah God formeth the man -- dust from the ground, and breatheth into his nostrils breath of life, and the man becometh a living creature.

Good News Translation
Then the LORD God took some soil from the ground and formed a man out of it; he breathed life-giving breath into his nostrils and the man began to live.

New International Version
Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

Well now I’m really confused.....this is the “soul” you have highlighted, not the “spirit.”

There is no question of validity, but you seem to confuse the two words as if they are interchangeable. I assure you they are not.

With “breath of life” the man “became” a “living soul”....”creature”....”being”. You have underlined “soul” which in Genesis and throughout the Bible is a living “breathing” material creature, both man and animal. It is never a disembodied spirit.

The “breath of life” is the "spirit" as I have given you the definitions from scholarly sources. It is breathing that perpetuates oxygenation of the cells in our body....once breathing stops, the cells die and the soul dies. (Ezekiel 18:4) There are no immortal souls in the Bible. You will never find those two words together in a single verse in the scriptures.

The fact that original language words and their nuances don’t sometimes translate well in English can prove to be a problem, not to mention that over time humans can introduce their own ideas and present them as Bible teachings. Nowhere is this demonstrated more clearly than in the universally accepted belief in an immortal and conscious part of man that departs from the body at death for unknown destinations. That was never a Bible teaching....but it is found in all false worship, because the notion that 'you really don’t die', comes from the same source. The devil told the woman “you surely will not die”.....the idea that some part of us lives on, feeds into that lie and also taps into our ‘programming’....God created us to live forever, but right here on earth. We have no 'program' for death. It was never supposed to happen.

Right from the start, all God ever offered humans was life or death. Continuing life in the flesh if they obeyed him, but death if they disobeyed his command not to eat of the fruit that he said was his exclusive property.

Adam was not told that his soul would go to "hell" or any other place, just that 'he' would go beck to the dust from which he was created. (Genesis 3:19) There was no natural cause of death in Eden, because the "tree of life" guaranteed their continued existence.

The humans chose disobedience leading to sin and death, and passed it on to all their children. (Romans 5:12) They lost their paradise home and access to the only thing that would keep them alive. So, understanding that basic fundamental truth, frees us from the shackles of fear surrounding what happens to us after death.....the answer is...nothing happens. We "sleep" in our grave, safe in God's memory and assured that he will empower his son to give us back the life that was stolen from us. (John 5:28-29) Both the "righteous and the unrighteous" are called from the same place.....back to this life where God planned for us to live all along. The incorrigibly wicked however, will not see life again. The grave for them is called "gehenna" a place from which nothing comes back. It is called the 'second' death because the 'first' kind of death (which we inherited from Adam) is covered by Christ's sacrifice, but the 'second' death means no forgiveness and no return to life. It means eternal death. Hell is sheol or hades...and it simply means the common grave of mankind. We all go there. (Ecclesiastes 9:10)

The fact that a chosen few are taken to heaven to assist Jesus in the administration of his Kingdom, (in order to bring the redeemed human race back into reconciliation with God) was never to be the case for all "good" people. Angels are designed for heaven....humans are designed for the earth. In order to take those humans to heaven they have to die and be resurrected like Jesus was.....as spirit beings. (1 Peter 3:18) God chose those who have lived life in the flesh, (understanding the human condition) to guide the human race back to paradise. (Isaiah 55:11)
 

Iymus

Active Member
Well now I’m really confused.....this is the “soul” you have highlighted, not the “spirit.”

To show that perhaps a soul is a creature and being. Perhaps it is all of the above which is inclusive of our body.

Now perhaps inside our being or soul we have a mind and that mind is our spirit.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
To show that perhaps a soul is a creature and being. Perhaps it is all of the above which is inclusive of our body.

Now perhaps inside our being or soul we have a mind and that mind is our spirit.
You have to understand how many ways that word "spirit" is used in the Bible...it isn't a one size fits all.....
 

Iymus

Active Member
You have to understand how many ways that word "spirit" is used in the Bible...it isn't a one size fits all.....

And despite the usage of spirit many times in the bible, terrestrial beings do not possess one?
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
And despite the usage of spirit many times in the bible, terrestrial beings do not possess one?
Refer to my last reply...."spirit" does not have just one meaning.

We do not have a separate, conscious part of us that leaves our body at death......why do you persist in believing something that the Bible does not teach. Satan has used this belief to perpetuate his first lie. He has led so many people astray by this one lie.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Refer to my last reply...."spirit" does not have just one meaning.

We do not have a separate, conscious part of us that leaves our body at death......why do you persist in believing something that the Bible does not teach. Satan has used this belief to perpetuate his first lie. He has led so many people astray by this one lie.


When a male talks black hole stars and Satan past history, that hole is factually where he is led astray.

Satan black hole did not create God O the stone, Satan the black hole was the destruction of God O the mass previously owned planet.

The story said that our Universe fell out of the original Universe and the planets that held us up with the first and original Universe exploded and fell below our galaxy, as sun and planets.

What all the relative male cosmological themes stated...all about knowing God O by mass. You cannot claim Numbers unless O mass is present to say counting of mass.

You know as a male and human you talk God O talk about stone, the heavenly mass, the male self the scientist and a ground dust chemical nuclear reaction.

Numbers.

And then lie about every other Satanic cosmological claim since.

As if a male with a machine is instant owner of the creation of the creation when it never existed for his machine reaction and thinks self sane.

The Biblical conscious head advice said that the male human named Peter told everyone by his thinking capability about why Jesus was life male sacrificed and life died at age 33 years was a medical Christ Healer study.

About the conditions the occult.

A male told his own male human self, that his adult Father saved his life existing by a very simple observed fact. Males and females as human life bodies are of 2 and separate. The Mother owns the creation of the baby life...yet the Father male adult was his owned male human life saving.

As simply as it was explained...a reasoning about present living bodies OWNER of the DNA in a human life and body. For human DNA does not exist without a human being life body being present. If you cared to use reasoning for once.

As rock stone was created spiritually, by gases in out of space, the womb was said to be the Mother of God.

Which is not any science statement for machine and a reaction.

Hence the Holy Mother teachings related to self bio male life continuing to live on Earth, whilst Satanists attacking irradiating life made sink holes in the body of stone, removing its physical presence, who never agreed to the planet Earth O as a God existing. Why they invented occult science in the first place.

Spiritually wanted only to exist as the living pre existing eternal spirit who caused creation.

Science wants to argue about what science can never own, the spirit.

As the gas is cold and if you put it in a machine an apply force, then you burn it.

We do not live inside of a machine reaction.

Yet the condition machine reaction is inferred to our bio living natural atmospheric reactive body, as a pre thought study about natural atmospheric reactions.

One condition that natural atmospheric reactions does not support is that machine reaction whose scientists claim will channel space, the infinite through.

Makes no sense when science keeps trying to burn out the Earth gas mass.....just as Stephen Hawking warned you about. For that is the only way a male with a machine owned by God the Earth stone history beginning, stone in space applies to the information, stone in space, its beginning status of self presence.

To want God the machine to own the infinite is for God the machine to remove Earths spirit/gases. Why you intently study what everyone says is the Christ presence. Males in science today are not just theming I want to cause Jesus Christ, they also want the condition Christ for their machine.

If you cared to review their Satanic theories.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
When a male talks black hole stars and Satan past history, that hole is factually where he is led astray.

Satan black hole did not create God O the stone, Satan the black hole was the destruction of God O the mass previously owned planet.

The story said that our Universe fell out of the original Universe and the planets that held us up with the first and original Universe exploded and fell below our galaxy, as sun and planets.

What all the relative male cosmological themes stated...all about knowing God O by mass. You cannot claim Numbers unless O mass is present to say counting of mass.

You know as a male and human you talk God O talk about stone, the heavenly mass, the male self the scientist and a ground dust chemical nuclear reaction.

Numbers.

And then lie about every other Satanic cosmological claim since.

As if a male with a machine is instant owner of the creation of the creation when it never existed for his machine reaction and thinks self sane.

The Biblical conscious head advice said that the male human named Peter told everyone by his thinking capability about why Jesus was life male sacrificed and life died at age 33 years was a medical Christ Healer study.

About the conditions the occult.

A male told his own male human self, that his adult Father saved his life existing by a very simple observed fact. Males and females as human life bodies are of 2 and separate. The Mother owns the creation of the baby life...yet the Father male adult was his owned male human life saving.

As simply as it was explained...a reasoning about present living bodies OWNER of the DNA in a human life and body. For human DNA does not exist without a human being life body being present. If you cared to use reasoning for once.

As rock stone was created spiritually, by gases in out of space, the womb was said to be the Mother of God.

Which is not any science statement for machine and a reaction.

Hence the Holy Mother teachings related to self bio male life continuing to live on Earth, whilst Satanists attacking irradiating life made sink holes in the body of stone, removing its physical presence, who never agreed to the planet Earth O as a God existing. Why they invented occult science in the first place.

Spiritually wanted only to exist as the living pre existing eternal spirit who caused creation.

Science wants to argue about what science can never own, the spirit.

As the gas is cold and if you put it in a machine an apply force, then you burn it.

We do not live inside of a machine reaction.

Yet the condition machine reaction is inferred to our bio living natural atmospheric reactive body, as a pre thought study about natural atmospheric reactions.

One condition that natural atmospheric reactions does not support is that machine reaction whose scientists claim will channel space, the infinite through.

Makes no sense when science keeps trying to burn out the Earth gas mass.....just as Stephen Hawking warned you about. For that is the only way a male with a machine owned by God the Earth stone history beginning, stone in space applies to the information, stone in space, its beginning status of self presence.

To want God the machine to own the infinite is for God the machine to remove Earths spirit/gases. Why you intently study what everyone says is the Christ presence. Males in science today are not just theming I want to cause Jesus Christ, they also want the condition Christ for their machine.

If you cared to review their Satanic theories.

I am sure that this is deep and meaningful to you, but none of it makes any sense to me....sorry. :(

You seem to be consumed with males, science and cosmology as if these fit into all threads on these boards. I'd like to try and understand your posts, but regretfully, I understand none of them. :oops:
 

Iymus

Active Member
Refer to my last reply...."spirit" does not have just one meaning.

We do not have a separate, conscious part of us that leaves our body at death......why do you persist in believing something that the Bible does not teach.

I do not believe the bible get into specifics about everything but an overview.

I do believe what is within us enters hades or a place of the dead at death in which we sleep.

I do believe giving up the ghost or us stop breathing encompasses giving up our spirit.

Satan has used this belief to perpetuate his first lie. He has led so many people astray by this one lie.

how does this belief perpetuate a lie?

Us having a spirit does not seem to perpetuate we do not die.

when we stop breathing and we give up the ghost or when our spirit leaves our flesh which encompasses our soul; we die.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
When a male who has to be living to be a scientist. Contemplates what he is not, it is called ANTI. To knowingly study and research information to which his own self does not belong.

The stone.

As he lives in the atmospheric spirit. So the story says a male is not God, and God in the theme is stone. For without stone he owns no building machine.

Which is his science, artificial to any form natural history.

Yet the male says...I will.

And he does...involving what he does not theme.....I want.

So he studies how to change force the physical body of fusion being stone into a release of its powers...and named it Satan.

Saying as the cosmological theme....Satan was once God O the angels of mass that fell deep into the deep pit of space and became black holes...the CREATION of space.

Seeing space is natural in natural history.

Science INVENTS...and purports to create artificial outcomes.

So you believe in Satan and the black hole...and the cosmos theory how to invent a black hole on Earth for God.

We always said you are the Destroyer of life on Earth and the want of God removed.

Yet you claim you are Holy and do not want self removed....yet science owns the exact intent to change God...but not the God you are.

If you applied the evil logic of evil minded males.

So if an arrogant male group said as spiritual selves, we will force God to own a hole....then they gave the body of God a SIN removal.

And as Sophists in modern day terms are smart arse users of word manipulation, then the document involves that expression.

For they said that the removal of the Sin of God the stone would save them.

So you would ask in what human reasoning would a spiritual self claim self saving by acts of destruction? And there you see him, and the God stories for what they are...a self contradiction used to coerce and lie about the holiness of destruction.

Science.

Therefore when a male says the macro of my science studies is Satan, the black hole...and I preach and Satan in the cosmos saved God the Earth you know.

Then think about what rationale the Sophist was inferring.

And the history says, that O God angels fell and burst and as space was sucking heated space downwards into the deep pit...as those bodies exploded before Earth did, Earth was saved from being sucked down into Satan deep pit.

As the reality.

Now males say I want the micro and he would say....well I caused the ground fission reaction, which is not the Ark flood story as first owned theme science and machine. I reacted UFO mass and gained sink holes....I was passed through by a lot of radiation mass...my own cells got burned and they were given spiritually a cellular reaction of its own destruction.

I lost by previous spiritual life body that did not die.

So he gained the micro of the Satanic black hole.

God gained a REMOVAL of the body of rock/stone SIN.

Peter, his rationale advice said he studied the timed evaluation Satanic attack of the 12.

His Peter head review concluded, yes it was an evil science Satanic attack with no status holy or spiritual.

Said that on the building of his holy CHURCH on top of the evil Satanic science temples in accordance to pyramid machination, he forbade any more changes to the rock stone upon which his building was founded.

How it was taught.

So when you review the theme Satan, Satan created the newly formed life body reaction of God in the human cells. G swirling o inside of a cellular reaction being destroyed by radiation attacking, it splitting its O cell into D and D. The human God cellular story. How a male in science themed self both God and the satanic attack, as information that no human today can dispute, even though they try.

God in science caused Satan the black hole like you know.
Satan in science attacked the God life of the human male and sacrificed it.

Where your idea in the use of information about how Satan created God, yet you were talking self, as a male human and how it affected your spiritual body and cellular reaction.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
I do not believe the bible get into specifics about everything but an overview.

I do believe what is within us enters hades or a place of the dead at death in which we sleep.

I do believe giving up the ghost or us stop breathing encompasses giving up our spirit.

You seem to be moving the goalposts a bit here.

There is nothing 'within us' that leaves our body to go into sheol (hades) because the grave is a receptacle for the body itself. The dead soul that no longer breathes will decay, so it is returned to the earth to be reabsorbed. But these "residents in the dust" (Isaiah 26:19) all live on in God's memory because he promises to "resurrect" them. i.e. a return to this life in a re-created body, with memories restored and obviously, an appearance that one will recognize as themselves....probably a healthier version of themselves if they were old or ravaged by sickness? We have the thousand year reign of Christ and his priesthood to bring sinful humanity back to the same level of perfection that Adam enjoyed at the beginning of his life....and the wonderful prospect of cleaning up this planet and turning it into the paradise that God first intended. That was our assignment originally.

how does this belief perpetuate a lie?

Us having a spirit does not seem to perpetuate we do not die.

The sleeping soul is not their spirit. You still seem to still interchange these two completely different words.

The formula for life according to Genesis is simple....
A body + spirit (breath) = a soul...when the soul ceases to breathe, the soul dies and returns to the dust.

When Christendom adopted the idea of "life after death" she ignored everything that the Bible said about death. She created the idea that the soul and the spirit were the same and that this invisible part of man lives on after the death of the body, playing right into satan's lie. All religions seem to have this belief....all except the one Jesus taught. Judaism and Christianity both adopted this Hellenistic idea that we somehow live on after death. This was not a Jewish belief at all. It was not part of Christian belief either until Jesus spoke of taking some to heaven to rule with him in his kingdom. Christendom picked up on that and wove satan's lie into the story. What they failed to understand is that no one was going to be resurrected until Christ's return and the beginning of the "last days" of the present system of things began.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-16....
"Moreover, brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who are sleeping in death, so that you may not sorrow as the rest do who have no hope. 14 For if we have faith that Jesus died and rose again, so too God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep in death through Jesus. 15 For this is what we tell you by Jehovah’s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death; 16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first."

Like Lazarus, all those ones who go to heaven are "resurrected" , but not until Christ was to return, and they were to be given a different body...a spiritual body, that is capable of dwelling in the presence of God. These he said are to be resurrected "first". Again there is no indication that any part of humans are in their graves except their bodies.

when we stop breathing and we give up the ghost or when our spirit leaves our flesh which encompasses our soul; we die.

There is no "ghost" to give up. What we give up is our last breath....then we cease to exist for a time. When the Kingdom of God is established over this earth, only then will the dead live again. (John 5:28-29; Revelation 21:2-4)
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
If you ask a male who seems to think he can resource the human spirit from bible studies.

Where is it....I thought we owned it living it as a human?

Can you personally Satanic sciences study a non human or a human not present.

A human not present is a deceased human.
A human not created owns no information for they are not called a human being until they exist in person.

And then there is the scientist male, the liar, who seems to think that one body can jump from the separation of everything by natural water mass and oxygen into another life form of a complete and whole self and thinks self sane.

Inside he would claim it happens inside of the cell.

Oh, you mean an ovary!

Ask males on Earth today do you think you have irradiated and time warped your own mind/brains and are in fact owning hallucinated thought reactions that are totally fake to a natural living existence, that is not in any statement in space?
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I believe the rock or better known as the corner stone is Jesus. There can be no other foundation. The Gospel is only one block in the building.
 
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