Speed of Light and the Age of the Universe

[ecco]

If you were being honest you would have written:

All that I dismiss is beliefs that have no basis. Any beliefs that counter my religious beliefs based on a literal interpretation of Genesis, have no basis.

Correct I dismiss beliefs with no basis. Mine have basis.

The only basis for your beliefs is a series of stories written by ignorant people 6000 years ago. You are among the very few Christians who take Genesis literally. This is due, at least in part, to your intensive indoctrination.
You dismiss anything that does not agree with your literal interpretation of 6000-year-old stories.

I suppose that you also must believe in geocentricity...

The scriptural basis for a geocentric cosmology – E-World
the mobility of the sun
The most important biblical quote supporting a geocentric universe can be found in the Book of Joshua. This will be used as the starting point for our scriptural cosmology.

Joshua 10:12-13
Then spoke Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the men of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel, "Sun, stand thou still at Gibeon, and thou Moon in the valley of Aijalon." And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stayed in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.​

The evidence in support of a geocentric model is overwhelming here. Joshua commanded the sun to stand still. He did not order the earth to cease rotating nor did he qualify his statement with the divine knowledge that the sun was merely made to appear stationary. The sun was commanded to stand still because it is the sun that moves.

Ecclesiastes 1:5
The sun rises and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.​

the stability of the earth
On the other side of the geocentric coin, if the sun moves then the earth must not move. There are a few passages which more-or-less forbid the motion of the earth.

1 Chronicles 16:30
tremble before him, all earth; yea, the world stands firm, never to be moved.

Psalms 93:1
The Lord reigns; he is robbed in majesty; the lord is robbed, he is girded with strength. Yea, the world is established; it shall never be moved.

Psalms 96:10
Say among the nations, "The Lord reigns! Yea, the world is established, it shall never be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity."

​

You do believe in geocentricity, don't you? If not, please explain how you can ignore these Biblical passages.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The only basis for your beliefs is a series of stories written by ignorant people 6000 years ago. You are among the very few Christians who take Genesis literally. This is due, at least in part, to your intensive indoctrination.
You dismiss anything that does not agree with your literal interpretation of 6000-year-old stories.

I suppose that you also must believe in geocentricity...

The scriptural basis for a geocentric cosmology – E-World
the mobility of the sun
The most important biblical quote supporting a geocentric universe can be found in the Book of Joshua. This will be used as the starting point for our scriptural cosmology.

Joshua 10:12-13
Then spoke Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the men of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel, "Sun, stand thou still at Gibeon, and thou Moon in the valley of Aijalon." And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stayed in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.​

The evidence in support of a geocentric model is overwhelming here. Joshua commanded the sun to stand still. He did not order the earth to cease rotating nor did he qualify his statement with the divine knowledge that the sun was merely made to appear stationary. The sun was commanded to stand still because it is the sun that moves.

Ecclesiastes 1:5
The sun rises and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.​

the stability of the earth
On the other side of the geocentric coin, if the sun moves then the earth must not move. There are a few passages which more-or-less forbid the motion of the earth.

1 Chronicles 16:30
tremble before him, all earth; yea, the world stands firm, never to be moved.

Psalms 93:1
The Lord reigns; he is robbed in majesty; the lord is robbed, he is girded with strength. Yea, the world is established; it shall never be moved.

Psalms 96:10
Say among the nations, "The Lord reigns! Yea, the world is established, it shall never be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity."

​

You do believe in geocentricity, don't you? If not, please explain how you can ignore these Biblical passages.

Six thousand years? The Bible is much younger than that. The oldest parts are possibly three thousand years old.

 

[dad]

One of the problems with lying is that one must make up more lies to support the original lies.

One of the problems with insane false accusations is that they are hot air.

You believe the Genesis Flood actually occurred. To support that belief you have to make up stories about mountain lifts and rapid continental drifts. Can you supply any evidence to support these nonsensical assertions?

?? You don't even know that the continents separated, and that there was uplifting, etc?? Not sure why you entered a debate forum? Just to get some false accusations in??

Does even AIG support rapid continental drifts? To my knowledge, you are the only person who has ever proposed rapid continental drifts and "rapid mountain building and uplift".

Not sure what they support, and who really cares? As I said they are pegged to this nature and try to explain all things with it. When they lose that belief and mistaken silly notion, we can talk.

Stories supporting stories supporting stories just like lies supporting lies supporting lies.

Good, good, you are getting back round to TOE is see. Now try to defend it with some evidence and gusto.

What "uniformity" are you talking about? Science (rational people) know that 6000 years ago Mt. Everest looked pretty much like it does today - 29,000 ft. Science (rational people) know that 6000 years ago Mt. Ararat looked pretty much like it does today - 16,000 feet. You are the one calling for nonsensical uniformity before the flood and ridiculous rapid rise after the flood.

They do not know what anything looked like then actually, because in their religious dating scheme, that 4500 years turns into 70 millions years. They don't know what is what.

The Bible doesn't say there was rapid mountain rise after the flood. The Bible isn't lying about rapid mountain rise after the Flood. You are the one claiming rapid mountain rise after the Flood.

The future is the key to the past. In the future according to the bible all the islands will be moved, and all mountains leveled flat. There will also be a quake like the planet has never seen at the time. I suspect that will be the start of the continents starting to move together again! Ha.

The Bible doesn't say there was rapid continental drift after the flood.

It does say the peoples were divided, and many interpret that also the land masses at this time were also divided!!! (Babel)

In fact, to get the religions, and peoples/nations, and animals where they are today a separation HAD to have occurred after the flood! Elementary.

 

[dad]

Six thousand years? The Bible is much younger than that. The oldest parts are possibly three thousand years old.

Not the parts that were in the 'hard drives of heaven' before they were piped down to be written on paper by man!

 

[dad]

The only basis for your beliefs is a series of stories written by ignorant people 6000 years ago. You are among the very few Christians who take Genesis literally. This is due, at least in part, to your intensive indoctrination.
You dismiss anything that does not agree with your literal interpretation of 6000-year-old stories.

I suppose that you also must believe in geocentricity...

The scriptural basis for a geocentric cosmology – E-World
the mobility of the sun
The most important biblical quote supporting a geocentric universe can be found in the Book of Joshua. This will be used as the starting point for our scriptural cosmology.

Joshua 10:12-13
Then spoke Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the men of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel, "Sun, stand thou still at Gibeon, and thou Moon in the valley of Aijalon." And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stayed in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.​

The evidence in support of a geocentric model is overwhelming here. Joshua commanded the sun to stand still. He did not order the earth to cease rotating nor did he qualify his statement with the divine knowledge that the sun was merely made to appear stationary. The sun was commanded to stand still because it is the sun that moves.

Ecclesiastes 1:5
The sun rises and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.​

the stability of the earth
On the other side of the geocentric coin, if the sun moves then the earth must not move. There are a few passages which more-or-less forbid the motion of the earth.

1 Chronicles 16:30
tremble before him, all earth; yea, the world stands firm, never to be moved.

Psalms 93:1
The Lord reigns; he is robbed in majesty; the lord is robbed, he is girded with strength. Yea, the world is established; it shall never be moved.

Psalms 96:10
Say among the nations, "The Lord reigns! Yea, the world is established, it shall never be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity."

​

You do believe in geocentricity, don't you? If not, please explain how you can ignore these Biblical passages.

Easy peasy.

God can and does do miracles. All we would need is that little area of the battle to be moved through time into the eternal now for awhile and time would surely slow down there, including the clocks like the sun!

 

[ecco]

If there is a case to be made for a literal interpretation of Genesis, then you are the one who should be making it. But you don't. Why is that? Is it because there isn't a shred of evidence to support Genesis?

It isn't really debatable, and is not the topic.

I am not here defending God or His word or my belief in them. You are here to defend your fables.

It is indeed the topic. It really is debatable. You have already shown you dismiss all science that does not agree with your beliefs in 6000-year-old myths. So, now it is time to defend your 6000-year-old myths.

I will understand if, instead of defending your 6000-year-old myths you choose to duck and dodge. That's what you usually do. That's what many people do when asked to defend the indefensible.

Maybe @shmogie would like to help you.

 

[ecco]

If you believe in origins science claims such as the TOE you sure do. Relax, I don't need or expect you to admit or even realize it.
Try to focus. The belief system being discussed here is so called science, I never even mentioned silly little atheism.
It looked in the wrong places and in a clueless manner.

My house is built on the Rock, I have no chance of being blown down. You are the one who needs to give the head a shake.
I consider many things evidence, but science does not due to it's religious bias. It is blind and deaf to truth and religiously determined to impose it's faith based methodology on everything. Fanatics.

See post # 606.

 

[ecco]

The future is the key to the past. In the future according to the bible all the islands will be moved, and all mountains leveled flat. There will also be a quake like the planet has never seen at the time. I suspect that will be the start of the continents starting to move together again! Ha.

Yada yada yada. Why could you not show the actual verses? You must know someone would ask.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Easy peasy.

God can and does do miracles. All we would need is that little area of the battle to be moved through time into the eternal now for awhile and time would surely slow down there, including the clocks like the sun!

Prove it, if you can't your claim is no more valid than my claim that the Flying Spaghetti Monster replaced your worn out God.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not the parts that were in the 'hard drives of heaven' before they were piped down to be written on paper by man!

There is no evidence for this claim. Oh look, the FSM just body slammed Yahweh!


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[ecco]

You believe the Genesis Flood actually occurred. To support that belief you have to make up stories about mountain lifts and rapid continental drifts. Can you supply any evidence to support these nonsensical assertions?

?? You don't even know that the continents separated, and that there was uplifting, etc?? Not sure why you entered a debate forum? Just to get some false accusations in??

Nice try. Of course, I believe in continental drift and mountain uplifting and erosion. The difference between us is that I believe these things happened over the course of millions of years.
You believe we rapidly went from pangaea to today's continental configuration in 4000 years.
You believe we rapidly went from relatively flat to today's vast Ararats and Everests.

Again...Can you supply any evidence to support these nonsensical assertions?

I await your duck and dodge.

 

[dad]

It is indeed the topic. It really is debatable. You have already shown you dismiss all science that does not agree with your beliefs in 6000-year-old myths. So, now it is time to defend your 6000-year-old myths.

I will understand if, instead of defending your 6000-year-old myths you choose to duck and dodge. That's what you usually do. That's what many people do when asked to defend the indefensible.

Maybe @shmogie would like to help you.

This thread is about the speed of light and ages. Not the bible. Maybe start one on the bible.

 

[dad]

Yada yada yada. Why could you not show the actual verses? You must know someone would ask.

There are many verses about the great shaking in the end time and the mountains being made low. Perhaps if you can't be bothered to google, I can look a few up when I get time.

 

[ecco]

In fact, to get the religions, and peoples/nations, and animals where they are today a separation HAD to have occurred after the flood! Elementary.

Or, there never was a Flood 4000 years ago and:

• The continents took millions of years to get to today's configuration.
• Humans have been moving around this planet for tens of thousands of years.

It takes an adult viewpoint to accept a rational explanation that accords with all the findings of science.

Rapid Continental drift didn't happen any more than a rapid accumulation of presents under an evergreen tree happen because Santa Claus pops in and out in the blink of an eye.

But it's OK for young children to believe in Santas and fairy tales. They usually outgrow it.

 

[ecco]

One of the problems with lying is that one must make up more lies to support the original lies.

One of the problems with insane false accusations is that they are hot air.

Would you care to list an insane false accusation that I have made?

 

[dad]

Nice try. Of course, I believe in continental drift and mountain uplifting and erosion. The difference between us is that I believe these things happened over the course of millions of years.

Of course you believe that. The reason you do is also belief based.

You believe we rapidly went from pangaea to today's continental configuration in 4000 years.

I think Walt Brown envisioned the move in less than a day. Others have different ideas. Me..I don't know. But I would suspect it was at most over a century or so, and my guess would a lot faster.

You believe we rapidly went from relatively flat to today's vast Ararats and Everests.

Move Africa and North America etc etc and yes, you would get some pushing up.

 

[dad]

Or, there never was a Flood 4000 years ago and:

• The continents took millions of years to get to today's configuration.
• Humans have been moving around this planet for tens of thousands of years.

It takes an adult viewpoint to accept a rational explanation that accords with all the findings of science.

Rapid Continental drift didn't happen any more than a rapid accumulation of presents under an evergreen tree happen because Santa Claus pops in and out in the blink of an eye.

But it's OK for young children to believe in Santas and fairy tales. They usually outgrow it.

Unless you prove your claimed old age move, it remains a belief based concept. Basically you lean on isotope ratios. Ha.

 

[dad]

Would you care to list an insane false accusation that I have made?

In the post you just quoted one...about lying.

 

[ecco]

You do believe in geocentricity, don't you? If not, please explain how you can ignore these Biblical passages.

Easy peasy.

God can and does do miracles. All we would need is that little area of the battle to be moved through time into the eternal now for awhile and time would surely slow down there, including the clocks like the sun!

I notice that you did not deny that you believe in geocentricity. I will accept that as evidence that you do believe, as the Bible states, that the earth is the center of the universe and everything moves around it...

1 Chronicles 16:30
tremble before him, all earth; yea, the world stands firm, never to be moved.

Psalms 93:1
The Lord reigns; he is robbed in majesty; the lord is robbed, he is girded with strength. Yea, the world is established; it shall never be moved.

Psalms 96:10
Say among the nations, "The Lord reigns! Yea, the world is established, it shall never be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity."​

 

[ecco]

This thread is about the speed of light and ages. Not the bible. Maybe start one on the bible.

Nah. This is as good a place for you to defend your beliefs as any. After all, if you can't defend your beliefs, then any and all comments you make regarding the speed of light are nothing more than meaningless assertions.