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Most things did not mention Jesus' divinity, which would kind of be important, or else they were written after the gospels.
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Spirit or Superstition?
- Thread starter Bethsheba Ashe
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Most things did not mention Jesus' divinity, which would kind of be important, or else they were written after the gospels.
nPeace
Veteran Member
What do you mean by, "Most things did not mention Jesus' divinity..."?
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
Sorry, that was awkward. Most sources. Heck, even the synoptics don't tend to mention it.
nPeace
Veteran Member
To answer that, ask yourself this... Of the 53 persons mentioned in the Bible, which have been confirmed by archaeological discoveries, why is there no mention of more than half of them, anywhere else - by any other people?
For example, just a handful discovered, have been mentioned by another people - e.g. Hezekiah was mentioned by the king of Assyria.
What does that reveal?
To make it easier... Say you died, and 100 years passed. Who would likely have any record of you? Do you think the government would retain any information on you? How about family members?
Please note that I have found that Elijah did NOT ascend to heaven.- 2 Kings 2:11
In Scripture there are heavens (s) such as:
* The spirit dwelling place - 1 Kings 8:39,49
* The physical universe - Deuteronomy 4:19
* and the immediate atmosphere where birds fly, the mid heavens - Psalms 78:26; Matthew 6:26
So, now we need to discern to which heavens did Elijah ascend_________
We find Elijah was still alive on Earth years later, for Elijah wrote a letter to King Jehoram - 2 Chronicles 21:1,12-15.
Also, Jesus confirmed that Elijah did Not ascend to the spirit heavens - see John 3:13
This is also true of King David as per Acts of the Apostles 2:34.
The way to heavenly life was first opened up only 'after ' the death of Jesus - John 14:2-3; Hebrews 9:24; 10:19-20
Jesus was the 'first' to have a heavenly resurrection - Revelation 1:5; 1 Corinthians 15:20
Whereas, Elijah went ascending in that whirlwind or in earth's atmospheric heavens, in the mid heavens.
So, Elijah was transferred simply carried out of sight and placed down elsewhere still being alive five year later.
If Elijah died there would have been a period of mourning by Elisha - 2 Samuel 19:1; 1 Chronicles 7:22; 2 Chronicles 35:24. No period of mourning for the living.
Since his God sent the pre-human heavenly Jesus to Earth, then Jesus is divine being from Heaven.
However, since the pre-human Jesus was the beginning of the creation by God as per Revelation 3:14 B,
then Jesus was Not before the beginning as his God was ' before ' the beginning as per Psalms 90:2
This places Jesus ' in ' the beginning, but absolutely Not ' before ' the beginning as his God was ' before the beginning.
Even the resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus still thinks he has a God over him as per Revelation 3:12.
You have no evidence to support the mythical tales in the Bible of which are crazier than others.
Bethsheba Ashe
Member
If we're going to speak of Jesus, can we step away from questions of whether Jesus was real or not, and just deal with the mythical and symbolic Jesus for a bit? I'm going to put a proposition to you that would place Jesus within the mysteries of the Merkabah. I shall not be the first to suggest this, there are other authors that have written of it, albeit they did not have access to the conformation of the Seven Palaces.
As I expect you know, there are many texts about Jesus that did not make it into the cannon of the Christian church, and there were 2 (possibly more) written by Jews in Hebrew. From the perspective of the Jewish mysteries before all the hostility came between Christians and Jews, what was Jesus? Not a messiah, but not a simple prophet either. I propose, based partly on the gospels in which Jesus himself draws a parallel between himself and the 12 hours of daylight, that Jewish Jesus was symbolic of the letter Resh, which would go a long way in explaining how Logos (the word) became flesh.
This is a diagram of the Seven Palaces (or Wheel) of the Merkabah. As you can see, the Palace of the Resh is at the center but there is also a path of Resh leading from the door (the daleth) into the world leading to the Heh (the light arriving on earth). Resh has a solar character, and way back in time most probably represented the Solar barge (or Chariot) which would carry the souls of people to and from earth. The Palace of the Resh represents the source of the light, while the path of the Resh represents the light travelling. Resh is a dark path and palace (it is not one of those that God designated as "good" in Genesis 1-2, because the Sun was created to bring light to the darkness, and these are terms that Jesus much identifies himself with.
They ask him "Are you the Messiah?" and he says "No" and they ask "are you Elijah?" and he says "Nope I'm not a prophet. I'm a voice crying in the wilderness." And what does he do in the wilderness? He constantly wanders (like the Sun). Like the Sun he is reborn (baptized) from Water. John the Baptist says he is unworthy to untie the "strap of the sand", a symbol of the like giving Ankh, and further "I have beheld the Spirit, descending as a dove out of heaven, and it remained on him."
In Genesis the letters are Spirits. The spirit of Elohim is the letter Beth. And the letters are also personified at times, for instance the talking serpent in the garden of Eden is the letter Nun.
Also, have you noticed how the New Testament is obsessed with times of the day? In Genesis the Sun was created in order the time could be measured.
I'm a little tired (late night) so I'm going to wrap this up.
@URAVIP2ME If Jesus was the personification of the Resh, his narrative was typological to the creation story. I would call them the "daylight tales" of the Merkabah.
As I expect you know, there are many texts about Jesus that did not make it into the cannon of the Christian church, and there were 2 (possibly more) written by Jews in Hebrew. From the perspective of the Jewish mysteries before all the hostility came between Christians and Jews, what was Jesus? Not a messiah, but not a simple prophet either. I propose, based partly on the gospels in which Jesus himself draws a parallel between himself and the 12 hours of daylight, that Jewish Jesus was symbolic of the letter Resh, which would go a long way in explaining how Logos (the word) became flesh.
This is a diagram of the Seven Palaces (or Wheel) of the Merkabah. As you can see, the Palace of the Resh is at the center but there is also a path of Resh leading from the door (the daleth) into the world leading to the Heh (the light arriving on earth). Resh has a solar character, and way back in time most probably represented the Solar barge (or Chariot) which would carry the souls of people to and from earth. The Palace of the Resh represents the source of the light, while the path of the Resh represents the light travelling. Resh is a dark path and palace (it is not one of those that God designated as "good" in Genesis 1-2, because the Sun was created to bring light to the darkness, and these are terms that Jesus much identifies himself with.
They ask him "Are you the Messiah?" and he says "No" and they ask "are you Elijah?" and he says "Nope I'm not a prophet. I'm a voice crying in the wilderness." And what does he do in the wilderness? He constantly wanders (like the Sun). Like the Sun he is reborn (baptized) from Water. John the Baptist says he is unworthy to untie the "strap of the sand", a symbol of the like giving Ankh, and further "I have beheld the Spirit, descending as a dove out of heaven, and it remained on him."
In Genesis the letters are Spirits. The spirit of Elohim is the letter Beth. And the letters are also personified at times, for instance the talking serpent in the garden of Eden is the letter Nun.
Also, have you noticed how the New Testament is obsessed with times of the day? In Genesis the Sun was created in order the time could be measured.
I'm a little tired (late night) so I'm going to wrap this up.
@URAVIP2ME If Jesus was the personification of the Resh, his narrative was typological to the creation story. I would call them the "daylight tales" of the Merkabah.
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Bethsheba Ashe
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Not more, give it a break!
Lol. Come on man. No-one is forcing you to follow this thread. At least, I presume there is a way you can unfollow it?
Christians like to talk about Jesus. That's a no-brainer. I'm not a Christian but I don't begrudge them it. They're not telling me to shut up about numbers, so live and let live eh?