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Spirit

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
Hi again!

I have a question about Spirit. Spirit plays a major role in many religions and I know it is prominent in Christian philosophy.

What do Muslims believe about Spirit? Do you believe in Spirit? If so, what is it? What is it's nature?

Also, is Heaven a place of matter or is Heaven a spiritual realm?

Thank you in advance :)
 

Cordoba

Well-Known Member
Hello and welcome sister

As you write Spirit with a capital S, I assume what you mean is not the soul, but the Holy Spirit

If that's the case, Muslims believe that the Holy Spirit is Angel Gabriel, a creature among the angels whom God created

The following is part of an answer to the question (Details About Ruh Al-Qudus):

"... Allah Almighty and Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) called Angel Gabriel (peace be upon him) "Gabriel" in some instances, and the "Holy Spirit" in other instances. Holy Spirit is the English term for the Arabic Ruh Al-Qudus.

It is not strange for Angel Gabriel to hold such an important place in Islam, because he is the one who connected the heavenly divine message to the human race."

Details About Ruh Al-Qudus - Islamic Creed - counsels - OnIslam.net

Hope that helps answer your question

If you meant something else, please elaborate

 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
Ah sorry for the misunderstanding. I mean 'spirit', not the Holy Spirit.

Thank you in any case though because I did not know that the angel is considered to be the Holy Spirit according to Islam.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
I agree with Cordoba, to me too it looks like you are referring to the 'Holy Spirit' and not the mere soul.

As for Heaven being spiritual or physical, the link below states this: "Isn't Heaven a spiritual place of bliss? Yes it is, but it is also a physical existence."

To read more follow the link, if it doesn't answer the question let me know.

Paradise: Spiritual or Physical? - Islamic Creed - counsels - OnIslam.net

Edit: Oh you beat me to it.
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
Thank you Eselam. I found the first link most helpful. It says that Islam does not subscribe to the belief that the afterlife is purely spiritual.

But in Islam, what is spirit? What is the meaning of the word 'spiritual'? The link says that angels are spiritual creatures, as they are made of or from light. Is spirit therefore light or meaning that it is made from light?
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
And they ask you (O Muhammad) concerning the Ruh (the spirit); Say: "The Ruh (the spirit) is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord. And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given only a little."
(Al-Isra, Chapter #17, Verse #85)

To read the commentary of that verse follow the link below and read from page 186-189
http://www.quran4u.com/Tafsir Ibn Kathir/PDF/017 Isra.pdf

From that verse above, I can freely say that Islam doesn't touch very much on this subject since not much knowledge has been given to us from God.

What is meant by the Angels being spirits is that from an earthly perspective they are spirits. To us in general a spirit is something that is not bound by the laws of physics. So that's what they probably mean by spirit.

Other than that unfortunately I don't know what to say, I don't know much regarding the spirit/soul.
Being made from light isn't necessarily the criteria of calling something a spirit. And I don't know any further than that to explain this. Maybe If Cordoba or another Muslim knows more they might explain this further.
 

F0uad

Well-Known Member
I personally think heaven is a spiritual place hence only spiritual beings can live there..

I think Angels are created from Light without a free-will and Humans and Jins are created with a Nouhr you can translate it as a spirit(soul). We are not from light only the Angles are if i am correct and they are only made of it.

I can be wrong on many things i am just saying what i think...
 

Starsoul

Truth
yes, spirit is something not bound by the law of physics but affected in this world by positive and negative environments. Just like the physical body has a need to be fed with nutrition to be healthy; the spirit also has strong needs to flourish well, OR it tends to feel really low, weak,famished, deprived and really depressed (something that we can all relate to, at some point in our lives) .

These 'requirements' of the spirit which give peace to it, in Islam, can be only met by letting the spirit come close to the truth and by letting it absorbing it &following the truth, which is the word of Allah,i.e Quran.

"Only in the remembrance of Allah (subhanao talla) will your heart find peace" (Surah 13: Verse 28)



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Sheikh Sudais - Surah Rahman (Beautiful Recitation) - YouTube
 

Rational_Mind

Ahmadi Muslim
yes, spirit is something not bound by the law of physics but affected in this world by positive and negative environments. Just like the physical body has a need to be fed with nutrition to be healthy; the spirit also has strong needs to flourish well, OR it tends to feel really low, weak,famished, deprived and really depressed (something that we can all relate to, at some point in our lives) .

These 'requirements' of the spirit which give peace to it, in Islam, can be only met by letting the spirit come close to the truth and by letting it absorbing it &following the truth, which is the word of Allah,i.e Quran.

"Only in the remembrance of Allah (subhanao talla) will your heart find peace" (Surah 13: Verse 28)


What reference is your opinion based on?
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Sheikh Sudais - Surah Rahman (Beautiful Recitation) - YouTube

I think you have confused Soul ("Rouh") with Spirit.
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
yes, spirit is something not bound by the law of physics but affected in this world by positive and negative environments. Just like the physical body has a need to be fed with nutrition to be healthy; the spirit also has strong needs to flourish well, OR it tends to feel really low, weak,famished, deprived and really depressed (something that we can all relate to, at some point in our lives) .

These 'requirements' of the spirit which give peace to it, in Islam, can be only met by letting the spirit come close to the truth and by letting it absorbing it &following the truth, which is the word of Allah,i.e Quran.

"Only in the remembrance of Allah (subhanao talla) will your heart find peace" (Surah 13: Verse 28)

Thank you :)

I like the quote, that the heart can only find peace in remembrance of the Supreme.

Can you explain please how the soul or spirit (whichever is the correct term, I am not sure) can become depressed? This is a new concept to me.
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
I personally think heaven is a spiritual place hence only spiritual beings can live there..

I think Angels are created from Light without a free-will and Humans and Jins are created with a Nouhr you can translate it as a spirit(soul). We are not from light only the Angles are if i am correct and they are only made of it.

I can be wrong on many things i am just saying what i think...

Thank you for you response.

You have said that humans and jins are unlike angels as we are not made of light and we have free will. Does this change after death? For those who go to heaven, is there still free will? Or do we become as the angels, made of light and without free will?
 

Rational_Mind

Ahmadi Muslim
Invalid source dear.

[The person describing all that in the link is widely known as a false prophet in the whole Muslim world, and anyone who assigns to his allegiance to this fake personality, of such obvious magnitude, is considered outside the circle of Islam.]

Anyhow I'll search more on the said topic.

I don`t think you will find much.

He it is Who has raised among the unlettered people a Messenger from among themselves who recites unto them His Signs, and purifies them, and teaches them the Book and Wisdom though before that they were in manifest error; And He will raise him among others of them who have not yet joined them. He is the Mighty, the Wise." Surah Al-Jumuah 62:3-4
 

F0uad

Well-Known Member
Thank you for you response.

You have said that humans and jins are unlike angels as we are not made of light and we have free will. Does this change after death? For those who go to heaven, is there still free will? Or do we become as the angels, made of light and without free will?

Its no problem but remember that i only speak on the behalf of my self and not the Muslim community nor did i do any study/research on the subject.

Yes i think there is still a free-will and i think Angels by definition are a different kind of beings then humans will ever be in this life-time or the next one, in my understanding we will get a spiritual form i am not sure if its made out of ''light'' or not. So the only thing that changes is your appearance and location.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
This is what is said about the soul in one of my favourite websites:

What is soul?
What is soul? Is soul the same as life? What's soul like?


Answer:

“Soul is a law proceeding from the divine command. But it is a living law clothed in external existence and possessing external existence.”

How did soul come into existence?

The essence of soul, which mankind has been given really little information about, depends on the laws in the universe. Soul was one of the laws in the universe like gravitation, buoyancy of water etc. Allah (swt) chose this law, gave life and external existence. And as a third feature, He gave it “consciousness”.

That’s to say, soul has three main features: First is its having “external existence” second is its having “life” and the other is its having “consciousness”. After these three features’ being given to the soul, soul distinguished from the other laws and that we call “soul” came into existence. This is shortly the initial period of it.
In other words, if Allah (swt) takes life out of soul that we own now and takes the consciousness away and removes it from external existence; it will go on its existence as one of the laws in the universe, like gravitation, buoyancy of water etc.
Or if Allah (swt) gave external existence, life and consciousness to any of the laws, that law would also convert into a “soul”.
Law + External Existence + Life + Consciousness =SOUL
SOUL - External Existence - Life – Consciousness = Law

Is soul the same as life?

As mentioned before, soul has “life”, however soul and life do not come to the same meaning. For example, plants have “lives” while they don’t have “souls”.

Soul has three kinds of bodies
After this initial explanation, we could say that “soul” has three kinds of bodies:
First, its original body and shape that we could never see and probably will never see or will see in the afterlife.

The second is our body that is the dwelling and “home of our soul”.

The third is the body which soul will wear after death. At the time of death, the soul is not completely naked, it leaves its home dressed in its body-like sheath. What clothes the soul is a subtle, fine sheath, something which may be likened to a body, which is to some extent constant, and is ethereal and appropriate for the soul.
Soul wears this body-like sheat in the realm of barzakh (grave).

What is soul like?


We can say that soul is like expanding matters. In Islamic books that the issue of soul is held, it is mentioned that soul expands. Let’s think about a good-smelling rose. Its odour spreads out and fills the room. Think about the air we breathe; it fills the volume of the place it enters. So does the steam. Light also enlightens the whole place it is situated. Similar to these samples, even soul expands and fills the body it is situated to its furthest point. Therefore, soul is in any point of body. If human body were so larger or so smaller than it is today, it would make no difference; soul would even expand or contract and fill the volume of that body also.

How do we see different realms in our dreams?

Due to its feature of expanding, without leaving the body, soul can go to and return from the past, the future, the material and the spiritual realms, grave, paradise and hell. But it can do it with just one condition which is that it can’t leave the body. Because, its leaving the body just happens at the time of death. When the soul leaves the body entirely, body loses all its living properties and it dies. Except the death time; soul goes to aforesaid realms, sees, speaks, feels there and comes back by expanding.

That’s how we see different realms in our dreams.

What is soul? - Ask a Question to Us
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
Its no problem but remember that i only speak on the behalf of my self and not the Muslim community nor did i do any study/research on the subject.

Brother you should not take Islamic matters easy and comment them based on your own interpretation. This is the Islamic DIR and if your view doesn't reflect that of Islam because you don't know the Islamic view then it is not right to post things which are not based on Islamic ruling and knowledge.

If what you say is false and then others accept your view, then you are responsible for their false beliefs and knowledge.

If you don't know something just say you don't know. It's better for you.
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
Eselam, that is very interesting. Could you explain a little more what is meant by 'external existence'? Would I be correct in interpreting that the soul is only active through an outer body from which it can experience or 'come to life'?
 
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