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Spiritual Death
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Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I believe that both soul and body dies after death and a person's energies (our spirits) are alive only by what and who we leave behind. When we are lost or forgotten, we have died spiritually. We no longer exist.
I feel we can create good spirits or harness spirit-ual vitality when we are open to give and receive (and so forth). Spiritually dead, no. Deflated maybe but can be revived by action in this life; there is no next.
I feel we can create good spirits or harness spirit-ual vitality when we are open to give and receive (and so forth). Spiritually dead, no. Deflated maybe but can be revived by action in this life; there is no next.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I qoute this notion now and then
but more like.....
do not fear anyone who would harm the flesh.....but rather...
fear He, who is able to rend the soul
but I think we are on the same page
we know to well our thoughts and feelings can be difficult to deal with
strife and grief can disable
but once the flesh has been surrendered......you have your dreams
and not much else
what if the entry?.....the Door....
is not guarded
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
An example would be, IMHO, those who succumb to a rigid scientism. It is something I suffered from for most of my life but no longer, thank God.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
so.....no one survives the last breath?
and the existance of Man......cannot be spiritual?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I suspect.....
that we are NOT able to escape the body at will
there is a serious possiblity
we follow the body into the box........and into the grave
no form of light follows anyone into the grave
no sunlight
no moonlight
no candle light
no philosophical light
really is dark down there
eternal darkness is real
that we are NOT able to escape the body at will
there is a serious possiblity
we follow the body into the box........and into the grave
no form of light follows anyone into the grave
no sunlight
no moonlight
no candle light
no philosophical light
really is dark down there
eternal darkness is real
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I believe we are alive by who and what we leave behind. After awhile people forget about us. If or when they do, we cease to exist.
I don't understand. What do you mean by cannot man be spiritual?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
God is Spirit
the sons of God are spirit
want to walk among the angelic?
renounce the flesh
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
You lost me. Can you express it in one or two full sentences?
LightofTruth
Well-Known Member
Spiritual death is not something the Bible teaches.
The idea is invented by man to explain what happened to Adam after he sinned. They say that Adam died
spiritually.
However, according to the Bible, Adam's eyes were opened whereby he knew what he had done was bad(evil). He was able to see his nakedness.
The ability to SEE(recognize) what is bad and what is good is not to be spiritually dead!
The words or idea of being "spiritually dead" cannot be found in Scripture.
WalterTrull
Godfella
I'm kinda into the bread and the wine. Proof the body is not life and calming the fear of death. It'd be great to know the actual disposition of our "selves" after what we call death. Gotta hunch there's a "great gulf" though. Guess I'll find out in a bit, or not.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
if there is no spiritual life......there is no God
then Man is a complete mystery.....with no resolve
no purpose
extinction pending
If God is spirit.....and I believe so
then we are formed in flesh to become unique spirit
that is what happens with each ocassion of a body
you were made to become a unique spirit.....and flesh is the means of doing so
the shell will dry up and crumble
what stands from the dust is the .....spirit
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
that's NOT his physical nakedness......btw
Anything like that is not true death but wandering off the path and having to find one's way back in this or a future life.
The real "death" is to experience the Oneness of the limited self with the Self that is all and everything. "We must die to self to live in God. Thus death means life"
we know that what the mind expects in death is met.
if you study nde's they reap what the cloud like mind sowed.
i set my bow in the cloud. power in belief
if you don't believe me; look at those who stormed the capital simply on belief.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I believe we are both body/flesh and soul/identity. I don't see the different...one divine and one not. The soul is abstract. The brain or head is it's "seat."
I believe that each living person, being, and inanimate thing all are energies. I guess you can say it's god but I don't view it as a creator but spiritual vitality of the body and soul. The feeling when you "get it."
In that sense, yes. Everything and every living is spirit-ual. There's no life after death. One life just once our bodies die, it depends on if people want to hold on to us.
I think that's why relationships are important. Whether it be Christ, self, others, or loved ones we all experience others spirits just it dont profound unless someone is very sensitive or doing grieving the doors open.
We do have purpose without a concept of a creator. I just find maybe some are looking outward to define themselves internally. Some others it's the reverse. Depends, I guess. I never believed in Any creator and never entrained the idea. So, that's foreign.
self-hatred is a real thing for an addict who turns the abuse inward. there is help
What makes alcoholics drink? Research shows it's more complex than supposed
What's on your mind?
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the doorway at philadelphia isn't finished until all are recovered at laodicea - justice of the people.
behold the thief stands at the door
Ephesians 2:1-7