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Spiritual gays

dgirl1986

dgirl1986

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starlite said:
to be more specific...those gay individuals who consider themselves Christian, attend religious services and apply Bible principles in their lives.
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Well, if they are christian I imagine that they refer to the holy bible.
 
starlite

starlite

Texasgirl
9-10ths_Penguin said:
But to address your points more directly, I think that one way people address the issues you raise is to look for the larger messages in the Bible: "God is love", for instance. Do you know what I mean?
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Yes I do understand your point of reasoning....but here's my thought....God is our Creator, so just as a parent has the right to set certain standards for their child, God also has that right. A parent doesn't follow their child's standards do they? We as Gods children should follow the standards he requires of us. He doesn't adapt to our desires....we adapt to His. If he asks us to change a behavior we do it out of love and respect for him.
 
Storm

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
starlite said:
Yes I do understand your point of reasoning....but here's my thought....God is our Creator, so just as a parent has the right to set certain standards for their child, God also has that right. A parent doesn't follow their child's standards do they? We as Gods children should follow the standards he requires of us. He doesn't adapt to our desires....we adapt to His. If he asks us to change a behavior we do it out of love and respect for him.
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Except that Penguin already pointed out a couple of ways you expect God's desires to adapt to yours. You don't expect queers to adapt to God's desires, but your own.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
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starlite said:
Yes I do understand your point of reasoning....but here's my thought....God is our Creator, so just as a parent has the right to set certain standards for their child, God also has that right. A parent doesn't follow their child's standards do they? We as Gods children should follow the standards he requires of us. He doesn't adapt to our desires....we adapt to His. If he asks us to change a behavior we do it out of love and respect for him.
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Did God not ask you to refrain from judging others? Did God not ask you to be guided by love and mercy?

If you feel commanded by a loving God to do an unloving act, there are two possibilities:

- the conflict is real, and the matter deserves reflection.

- the conflict isn't real; it's only a product of a misunderstanding... which indicates that we don't fully understand what's goinv on in that circumstance.

Either way, it doesn't strike me as a good idea to blindly cling to your understanding of one set of verses and adhere to them to the letter while in the process ignoring and violating another set of supposed commands of God. Careful thought is required if you're going to make sense of the situation.
 
sojourner

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
starlite said:
Yes I do understand your point of reasoning....but here's my thought....God is our Creator, so just as a parent has the right to set certain standards for their child, God also has that right. A parent doesn't follow their child's standards do they? We as Gods children should follow the standards he requires of us. He doesn't adapt to our desires....we adapt to His. If he asks us to change a behavior we do it out of love and respect for him.
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I think you're wrong. God does adapt to our desires by becoming Incarnate for us.

Homosexuality isn't a behavior -- it's a way of being. Apparently, then, God's "standard" is that most of us be heterosexual, and some of us be homosexual.
 
Alceste

Alceste

Vagabond
starlite said:
to be more specific...those gay individuals who consider themselves Christian, attend religious services and apply Bible principles in their lives.
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Christians who are not homophobic and do not belong to anti-gay congregations use the same assortment of Bibles as homophobic / anti-gay Christians. They simply place a higher value on the teachings of Christ in the Gospels and lean less on the Old Testament and Paul's letters.

Also, most Christians are not literalists. The notion that every single sentence in the Bible is the divine and literally true word of God can't really be maintained if you've actually read the thing. It's a mess. You've got "thou shalt not commit murder" on one page and "murder every man, woman and child in the village and salt the earth so nothing will ever grow again" on the next. You have to pick and choose - those can't both be the "true word of God." To resolve this conundrum, most Christians believe the book was "inspired" by God, but that the contents, being written by men, are subject to man's fallibility. You need to rely on your heart and mind to find the "spiritual" guidance hidden in the endless silliness. "Love your neighbour" is a good one. "Execute women who don't bleed on their wedding night" is a bad one.
 
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romana03

Member
starlite said:
A lengthy post follows but I felt it necessary:
My point of view is based on Leviticus 18:22 and Romans 1:26,27. So I was wondering how someone who is gay and believes they are Christian views these scriptures. Many different Bibles state the same thing.
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My approach to Leviticus would be that 'abomination' and 'disgusting' are odd translations. The restrictions, including the stuff about lying with men, are about ritual uncleanliness. Most Christians already ignore most of them anyway, it is hypocritical and homophobic to chuck out the rest and still insist that homosexuality is an abomination. Paul also says that Christian's aren't bound by Mosaic law.

Not sure about the context for Romans, but are 'unnatural relations' and 'shameful lusts' definitely homosexual? Most of your translations weren't very specific. Under some Christian definitions, sex outside of marriage would qualify, or straight anal sex, or even sex outside of the Mosaic ritual cleanliness rules.

Forgive me if a lot of this has already been covered, I'm just catching up :rainbow1:
 
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