Spirituality and the Near-Death Experience

[Geoff-Allen]

Some people believe that to be religious means to be spiritual and vice versa. They might go to church regularly, and have a great knowledge and understanding of scriptures, and believe this is what it means to be spiritual. They may even treat people badly or even live like the devil, but because they go to church and know scriptures they believe they are spiritual. Information gleaned from near-death accounts show that spirituality is very different from being religious. Perhaps the best way to distinguish religion and spirituality is to say that religion is the outward formula for guiding people inward to the spiritual force of love and compassion for others. In fact, religion and spirituality are so different, you probably know somebody who is so religious they're not very spiritual.

For more - esp thoughts about love - try clicking here -

http://www.near-death.com/science/research/spirituality.html

All the best!

 

[Eliab ben Benjamin]

Yes a great and interesting site on Near Death Exp..

My own nDE is there in the Jewish Section, and chapter 3 on Kevin Williams book
'Nothing better than death'

 

[George-ananda]

Some people believe that to be religious means to be spiritual and vice versa. They might go to church regularly, and have a great knowledge and understanding of scriptures, and believe this is what it means to be spiritual. They may even treat people badly or even live like the devil, but because they go to church and know scriptures they believe they are spiritual. Information gleaned from near-death accounts show that spirituality is very different from being religious. Perhaps the best way to distinguish religion and spirituality is to say that religion is the outward formula for guiding people inward to the spiritual force of love and compassion for others. In fact, religion and spirituality are so different, you probably know somebody who is so religious they're not very spiritual.

For more - esp thoughts about love - try clicking here -

http://www.near-death.com/science/research/spirituality.html

All the best!

I say that the quality of your heart and mind is what matters in this life more than your beliefs be they Christian or atheist or whatever. I do believe the Near Death Experience shows that poignantly.

 

[GodsVoice]

Some people believe that to be religious means to be spiritual and vice versa. They might go to church regularly, and have a great knowledge and understanding of scriptures, and believe this is what it means to be spiritual. They may even treat people badly or even live like the devil, but because they go to church and know scriptures they believe they are spiritual. Information gleaned from near-death accounts show that spirituality is very different from being religious. Perhaps the best way to distinguish religion and spirituality is to say that religion is the outward formula for guiding people inward to the spiritual force of love and compassion for others. In fact, religion and spirituality are so different, you probably know somebody who is so religious they're not very spiritual.

For more - esp thoughts about love - try clicking here -

http://www.near-death.com/science/research/spirituality.html

All the best!

Most religious people are not "spiritually awakened" yet and they won't be until after the day of the Lord.

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks...

Religion is NOT spirituality - not at all.... There is a huge huge difference in Self understanding....Spiritual truth - is ALWAYS directly revealed - and "religion" is what they settle for when they dont HAVE that direct experience themselves yet...

In short - you join a religion to literally be TAUGHT how to be spiritual...lol....in a psuedo kind of bogus manner, but at least it IS a start... Once though, legitimate SPIRITUAL truth finally begins to dawn, then that individual will begin to avoid the religion - and when spiritual truth has been allowed to settle and become understood, then that indiivual will ACTIVELY DESPISE the religion and reject it completely, for it will be seen then as the SHAM spirituality that it ALWAYS was....

Christ actually - taught us to cut out the middle part and thus avoid that ineviatble religious confusion and disappointment that it ALWAYS brings - avoid the religion enrtirely and simply reveal the LIVING spirit DIRECTLY that you already are and always HAVE been.....

The "day of the Lord" - is not a "final judgement" for all mankind - but rather - it is the day the INDIVIDUAL finally awakes to and embraces their own eternal nature and thus encounters the Divine directly and personally...This - DIRECT COMMUNION mortal to Divine - is the aim and intent of all LEGITIMATE spiritual truth - however - this direct personal communion is the very bane of religion itself, for as said, when we attain that legitimate state we no longer need the religion at all and as said it is now seen as the sham institute that it always was.. Therefore this religion ALWAYS seeks to DOMINATE and CAPTIVATE the Soul to force it to submit fully TO the religion in all things - it simply cannot allow the individual to come to know that eternal truth of Self - and so religion ACTIVELY and PURPOSEFULLY misleads and with holds legitimate spiritual truth from us ALWAYS..

 

[GodsVoice]

Hi Folks...

Religion is NOT spirituality - not at all.... There is a huge huge difference in Self understanding....Spiritual truth - is ALWAYS directly revealed - and "religion" is what they settle for when they dont HAVE that direct experience themselves yet...

In short - you join a religion to literally be TAUGHT how to be spiritual...lol....in a psuedo kind of bogus manner, but at least it IS a start... Once though, legitimate SPIRITUAL truth finally begins to dawn, then that individual will begin to avoid the religion - and when spiritual truth has been allowed to settle and become understood, then that indiivual will ACTIVELY DESPISE the religion and reject it completely, for it will be seen then as the SHAM spirituality that it ALWAYS was....

Christ actually - taught us to cut out the middle part and thus avoid that ineviatble religious confusion and disappointment that it ALWAYS brings - avoid the religion enrtirely and simply reveal the LIVING spirit DIRECTLY that you already are and always HAVE been.....

The "day of the Lord" - is not a "final judgement" for all mankind - but rather - it is the day the INDIVIDUAL finally awakes to and embraces their own eternal nature and thus encounters the Divine directly and personally...This - DIRECT COMMUNION mortal to Divine - is the aim and intent of all LEGITIMATE spiritual truth - however - this direct personal communion is the very bane of religion itself, for as said, when we attain that legitimate state we no longer need the religion at all and as said it is now seen as the sham institute that it always was.. Therefore this religion ALWAYS seeks to DOMINATE and CAPTIVATE the Soul to force it to submit fully TO the religion in all things - it simply cannot allow the individual to come to know that eternal truth of Self - and so religion ACTIVELY and PURPOSEFULLY misleads and with holds legitimate spiritual truth from us ALWAYS..

Satan and the Beast are the two types of information that is processed into the visible and invisible world we're observing in this generation. Lucifer ( Satan, Devil, False Prophet, Wicked One, ) gives man the "good and evil" images besides the "good and evil" thoughts that go along with them. The Beast teaches man how to build visible objects ( false gods ) with his human hands. This information is going to be deleted on the "day of the Lord" so all the visible objects that man has been experiencing with his created senses are going to be destroyed and burned up with hot molten lava that's been storing up heat pressure since the flood. So on the day of the Lord when the earth starts shaking violently below your feet, you will have less than one hour to live but you will be screaming bloody murder while the earth is shaking without stopping while hot molten lava starts bursting through the crust of the earth and out of the mountain tops to end the first generation of people. Never again will man be deceived by the thoughts called Satan and the Beast.

Revelation 19
17: Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly in midheaven, "Come, gather for the great supper of God,
18: to eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all men, both free and slave, both small and great."
19: And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies gathered to make war against him who sits upon the horse and against his army.
20: And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had worked the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulphur. ( hot lava contains a lot of sulfur )
21: And the rest were slain by the sword of him who sits upon the horse, the sword that issues from his mouth; and all the birds were gorged with their flesh.

2 Peter 3
10: But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.
11: Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness,
12: waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire!
13: But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Isaiah 66
15: "For behold, the LORD will come in fire, and his chariots like the stormwind, to render his anger in fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
16: For by fire will the LORD execute judgment, and by his sword, upon all flesh; and those slain by the LORD shall be many.

Zephaniah 1
18: Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them on the day of the wrath of the LORD. In the fire of his jealous wrath, all the earth shall be consumed; for a full, yea, sudden end he will make of all the inhabitants of the earth.

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

Godsvoice; Hmm - how to say this..?...Satan and the beast - FATHER OF ALL LIES - yes..?..

Could it be - do you dare to suppose - that this "satan" is lying to us even THROUGH the religious scripture you rely on ?

Surely - it IS so - as Christ said adamantly that the "god" that all that scripture refers to - is simply NOT HIS Father at all - and even within that bible scripture itself He makes that repeatedly clear.....Check the canon version of John - see the very first confrontation with the religious pharisee authority - He tells them point blank that THEY HAVE BEEN MISLED - tells them point blank they DO NOT KNOW THE FATHER - goes on to tell them further that THEIR GOD - is a murderer - deceiving them - a LIAR He said, and indeed named it specifically as the FATHER OF LIES....

Now look - that epitaph and signature name "father of lies" is wholly of the SATAN character - isnt it..?.. That applies to that character and that character alone...whenever we hear this phrase "father of lies" we know straight away it is this devil, dont we..?....BUT LOOK - CHRIST applied THAT title first anywhere, and it was applied to the Hebrew god DIRECTLY and told them that god was indeed a lying deceiving murderer !! That "god" IS this satan character - the truth twisted to hide it in plain sight - to deceive you (all) fully...The god and its priesthood have you all now looking entirely in the wrong places for this "adversary" that you fear so...

And of course , other things we attribute to this "satan" ALSO apply to this Yhvh "god" equally...Look - satan we are told is the RULER of THIS world - yes..?...It is a DRAGON that is "cast from heaven" and placed HERE where it assumes authority...Yes..??....BIBLE SCRIPTURE admits this to us...

Well look - if we go read ORIGINAL gospel of John - then we soon learn indeed of a malformed ANGEL that is created by accident and is described EXACTLY as resembling indeed, a DRAGON - and yes indeed that Angel/Dragon IS cast out of the original and DIVINE abode - but follow it through and indeed we see that dragon is placed ALONE in a SEPERATE creation - almost like a prison actually - it is hid away out of shame by its Mother Creator (Sophia) who creates a "veil of lesser light" to obscure us and hide Her shame - and this SEPERATE and ISOLATED part of creation is HERE Folks -THIS realm WE inhabit....We know that for sure if we keep reading ORIGINAL John because Christ explains it all step by detailed step - and we see this Angel/Dragon will be indeed the DIRECT CAUSE for the creation of mankind...

Christ says so EXPLICITLY - states that this Angel /Dragon is chief HERE in this seperate and isolated realm and at first no body but Sophia knows the truth of it..Then, read how in the TRUE Divine realm a Being - an Angel - known as ADAMUS is created - and THIS event is so awesome and magnificent that it shatters the barrier between the realms and finally each becomes aware of the others existance...The Angel/Dragon then gathers together all its other Angels and has them aid it and together they try to MIMICK that awesome Divine Creation they all just witnessed...This creation of ADAMUS is the start of the down fall of Yvvh here as all his own creation now realises that this Yhvh is NOT SUPREME as they all witness TRUE Divinity for the very first time...

EVERYTHING that Yhvh has done to us has been intenned to keep us IGNORANT of our spiritual truth, and so SUBSERVIANT to it and it alone....The one that DIRECTLY created us is indeed an Angel that resembles a DRAGON -that dragon is cast out of the TRUE heavens and given DOMINION OVER THE EARTH - just as CHRIST explains.....That dragon we know as the satan character "father of all lies" - trickster deceives us always - and THAT DESCRIPTION was applied to Yhvh DIRECTLY again by Christ Himself...!!

The one you fear you name satan and beast bur truly it IS the god who created us - that one IS the dragon cast from the TRUE Divine heavens...That one DOES rule here and always has - this is YHVHS realm just as Christ explained....When Yhvh learned its truth it decided to dominate and claim an authority over us that it has no Divine rights to - and so Christ came directly, intercedes on our behalf and gave us this truth to set us free - and FOR THIS TRUTH freely given - the priesthood of Yhvh MURDERED HIM !!!

 

[GodsVoice]

Hi Folks..

Godsvoice; Hmm - how to say this..?...Satan and the beast - FATHER OF ALL LIES - yes..?..

Could it be - do you dare to suppose - that this "satan" is lying to us even THROUGH the religious scripture you rely on ?

Surely - it IS so - as Christ said adamantly that the "god" that all that scripture refers to - is simply NOT HIS Father at all - and even within that bible scripture itself He makes that repeatedly clear.....Check the canon version of John - see the very first confrontation with the religious pharisee authority - He tells them point blank that THEY HAVE BEEN MISLED - tells them point blank they DO NOT KNOW THE FATHER - goes on to tell them further that THEIR GOD - is a murderer - deceiving them - a LIAR He said, and indeed named it specifically as the FATHER OF LIES....

Now look - that epitaph and signature name "father of lies" is wholly of the SATAN character - isnt it..?.. That applies to that character and that character alone...whenever we hear this phrase "father of lies" we know straight away it is this devil, dont we..?....BUT LOOK - CHRIST applied THAT title first anywhere, and it was applied to the Hebrew god DIRECTLY and told them that god was indeed a lying deceiving murderer !! That "god" IS this satan character - the truth twisted to hide it in plain sight - to deceive you (all) fully...The god and its priesthood have you all now looking entirely in the wrong places for this "adversary" that you fear so...

And of course , other things we attribute to this "satan" ALSO apply to this Yhvh "god" equally...Look - satan we are told is the RULER of THIS world - yes..?...It is a DRAGON that is "cast from heaven" and placed HERE where it assumes authority...Yes..??....BIBLE SCRIPTURE admits this to us...

Well look - if we go read ORIGINAL gospel of John - then we soon learn indeed of a malformed ANGEL that is created by accident and is described EXACTLY as resembling indeed, a DRAGON - and yes indeed that Angel/Dragon IS cast out of the original and DIVINE abode - but follow it through and indeed we see that dragon is placed ALONE in a SEPERATE creation - almost like a prison actually - it is hid away out of shame by its Mother Creator (Sophia) who creates a "veil of lesser light" to obscure us and hide Her shame - and this SEPERATE and ISOLATED part of creation is HERE Folks -THIS realm WE inhabit....We know that for sure if we keep reading ORIGINAL John because Christ explains it all step by detailed step - and we see this Angel/Dragon will be indeed the DIRECT CAUSE for the creation of mankind...

Christ says so EXPLICITLY - states that this Angel /Dragon is chief HERE in this seperate and isolated realm and at first no body but Sophia knows the truth of it..Then, read how in the TRUE Divine realm a Being - an Angel - known as ADAMUS is created - and THIS event is so awesome and magnificent that it shatters the barrier between the realms and finally each becomes aware of the others existance...The Angel/Dragon then gathers together all its other Angels and has them aid it and together they try to MIMICK that awesome Divine Creation they all just witnessed...This creation of ADAMUS is the start of the down fall of Yvvh here as all his own creation now realises that this Yhvh is NOT SUPREME as they all witness TRUE Divinity for the very first time...

EVERYTHING that Yhvh has done to us has been intenned to keep us IGNORANT of our spiritual truth, and so SUBSERVIANT to it and it alone....The one that DIRECTLY created us is indeed an Angel that resembles a DRAGON -that dragon is cast out of the TRUE heavens and given DOMINION OVER THE EARTH - just as CHRIST explains.....That dragon we know as the satan character "father of all lies" - trickster deceives us always - and THAT DESCRIPTION was applied to Yhvh DIRECTLY again by Christ Himself...!!

The one you fear you name satan and beast bur truly it IS the god who created us - that one IS the dragon cast from the TRUE Divine heavens...That one DOES rule here and always has - this is YHVHS realm just as Christ explained....When Yhvh learned its truth it decided to dominate and claim an authority over us that it has no Divine rights to - and so Christ came directly, intercedes on our behalf and gave us this truth to set us free - and FOR THIS TRUTH freely given - the priesthood of Yhvh MURDERED HIM !!!

I didn't get taught anything by reading a Bible but the Creator who spoke into my MIND on December 7th, 1979, had a different way of teaching me that no Bible could ever teach. By the way, a Bible would never know if a liar is reading it and stealing the words to start visible churches with to preach to visible bodies called the congregation.

I'm already eating from the tree of life and quite full right now but there will be lots more to eat from in the future for ALL God's created one's.

Revelation 2
7: He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.'

 

[Thief]

Some people believe that to be religious means to be spiritual and vice versa. They might go to church regularly, and have a great knowledge and understanding of scriptures, and believe this is what it means to be spiritual. They may even treat people badly or even live like the devil, but because they go to church and know scriptures they believe they are spiritual. Information gleaned from near-death accounts show that spirituality is very different from being religious. Perhaps the best way to distinguish religion and spirituality is to say that religion is the outward formula for guiding people inward to the spiritual force of love and compassion for others. In fact, religion and spirituality are so different, you probably know somebody who is so religious they're not very spiritual.

For more - esp thoughts about love - try clicking here -

http://www.near-death.com/science/research/spirituality.html

All the best!

I've had some seriously bad accidents

I know what it is to be blind
I know my limbs when unresponsive
I know a level of pain for which the pain stops.....and the wound has no sensation

I know death will do all of this all at once.....completely

I live to that end

 

[Timothy Bryce]

Person nearing death: "Are you... God?"

God: "No, I'm just your brain cells dying - now cough up all the water in your lungs!"

 

[Timothy Bryce]

Some people believe that to be religious means to be spiritual and vice versa. They might go to church regularly, and have a great knowledge and understanding of scriptures, and believe this is what it means to be spiritual. They may even treat people badly or even live like the devil, but because they go to church and know scriptures they believe they are spiritual. Information gleaned from near-death accounts show that spirituality is very different from being religious. Perhaps the best way to distinguish religion and spirituality is to say that religion is the outward formula for guiding people inward to the spiritual force of love and compassion for others. In fact, religion and spirituality are so different, you probably know somebody who is so religious they're not very spiritual.

Might be off topic, but I heard someone say something the other day that really struck a chord with me: "religious people are scared of hell; spiritual people have already been there."

 

[HeatherAnn]

When I've read or thought of NDEs, I've felt a lot of hope and faith that consciousness is much more profound than it superficially appears, particularly the subconscious. It makes me want to learn more about my own psyche - through dreams especially - but also through my thought patterns and habits. I've had experiences and have known others who have had them too, which have proven to me that:

1) We continue after death... consciousness is energy and energy doesn't disappear but changes form.
2) Somehow, a part of our consciousness (the eternal part) knows incredible amounts of information - and is connected with others.