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"Spotlight" - Is it a good or a bad thing ...

Is "Spotlight" beneficial or detrimental to society in general?


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YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
I don't have facebook or a smart phone either.
You mean I'm not the only one who doesn't have a smarty phone? WoW!

I do have a FacePalm page but lost interest in it shortly after creating it.


In regards to the OP, I doubt a Hollywood movie will have much impact beyond the theaters. I voted neither good nor bad.
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
I'm an avid skier, logging 30-35 days a year, belong to a running club, belong to the Green Mountain Club and go hiking almost every weekend in the summer in Vermont, belong to a workout program called CrossFit that combines a social atmosphere with advanced physical fitness, and my wife and I have a lot of friends and family that we hang out with socially all the time. I read about a book a month, volunteer my time a few times a year to various charities, and work a 10 hour day to earn a living.

From 8:00-10:00 most weeknights I relax with some television, and maybe I watch two movies a month. I hardly think that's "equating a motion picture with life." I completely agree with you about the world outside the box and all the wonderful non-TV things there are to do. I spend the vast majority of my time doing non-TV things.

My position is balance. I would never advocate a life of only watching television and refusing to go outside even once. Nor would I advocate your life where you refuse to watch even one movie or television show. I believe we can have some balance in life.
Ok. So some people like to have a little chocolate after their meal and some people avoid sugar altogether.
Personally, I like cake. But when I did once watch a (cartoon) video and then went to pray, I found that I couldn't concentrate because I kept seeing this extremely distracting flashing behind my eyes. Clearly for me videos are detrimental to my life mission. I assume that you don't need to exert as much concentration in running as you need to in study and prayer, so for you that may not be an issue.


I know, and of course it's you're right to live however you want. This is just one of those sad things about religion to me. Driving people away from things that aren't really bad based on some doctrine they may not even fully understand.
Alternatively, one could say that a sad thing about secularism is its tendency to judge religious doctrine without having any concept of it...

Again, super sad to me. You talk about being social in the beginning of your post...the importance of interacting with other people. And yet you won't even look at a woman. I'm sorry, I don't understand how you can place importance on human interaction when you refuse to interact with half the human race.
Obviously not all priorities are equal, right?

It's weird. I mean you must know on some level this kind of behavior creeps people out right? You're neighbors, unless they are in your sect, likely think of you as the creepy dude who won't look at women. From an outsiders view it seems like a person who is very poorly adjusted socially.
I life in an ultra-Orthodox town. We're all like that more or less.

And we think you're immoral degenerates for not being like that.
See how we can both be judgmental at each other?

But look, obviously outsider opinion is not a determining factor in what we do. I would even go so far as to say, that there is a strong lack of interest here in conforming, or you might say assimilating with your culture. So if you we do things differently, I guess that would be expected.

I kind of feel bad because this is derailing the thread and was not meant to.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
"Spotlight", a major motion picture depicting child-sexual abuse in the Roman Catholic Church, is one of the biggest movies of the year, and the reviews are phenomenal. Do you think this is a good thing that this is being publicized and shown to the world in this cinematic way? Has anyone seen it yet?
It's on my Netflix list, and look forward to its release.

I presume the depictions are tastefully done. And, as far as being detrimental to society in general, I don't see how that would be possible.
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
You mean I'm not the only one who doesn't have a smarty phone? WoW!

I do have a FacePalm page but lost interest in it shortly after creating it.
Yup. All my phone can do is make phone calls, calculator alarm, etc. I can't even text, let alone access the internet.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
Never heard of it, and don't intend watching it. But it might be something that will change attitudes for the better regarding forced sexual roles (celibacy).
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
*delete snarky comment*
I don't watch TV or movies. Its an ultra-Orthodox thing. Limit absorption of secular culture and ideas.

And given the tremendous power of ideas, there can be great wisdom in this approach. This is part of why I, too, am cautious about the stories that cultures tell and the ones they disseminate to individuals.

What purpose does the mythos of this movie "Spotlight" serve? Whose values is it serving, and whose values is it sabotaging? How will the ideas contained therein influence people? Will people inevitably interpret them as representational, even though it is not? There is an awful lot of demonization of religions going on nowadays, and the sad result I see is a lot of prejudice and hatred rearing its head. One should always take care in the stories one tells, the hearsay one passes on.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I thought Spotlight was an outstanding movie. It didn't appear to me to sensationalize the issue of child molestation and rape. There was nothing gratuitous about it that I detected. And it even managed to have a few kind words for the Catholic Church while at the same time revealing one of its great evils.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
It is one thing to make a documentary, but it is another to make something like this issue into a movie.

I frequently avoid movies of these types because they are often, like Tumah said, sensationalised. In another words, very tacky.

Australian television screens have gone down on this tacky road of making movies about real-life Australian criminals, politicians, athletes and celebrities as if they were "biography", instead it is just a sensationalised version, not worth the money to make or the time to watch them.

Australian television shows and movies have gone down toilet drain. Even if you were to pay me a thousand dollars, I wouldn't watch it.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
It is one thing to make a documentary, but it is another to make something like this issue into a movie.

I frequently avoid movies of these types because they are often, like Tumah said, sensationalised. In another words, very tacky.

Australian television screens have gone down on this tacky road of making movies about real-life Australian criminals, politicians, athletes and celebrities as if they were "biography", instead it is just a sensationalised version, not worth the money to make or the time to watch them.

Australian television shows and movies have gone down toilet drain. Even if you were to pay me a thousand dollars, I wouldn't watch it.

You haven't seen the movie, I take it.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
To Whom it May Concern: Spotlight is not a movie that sensationalizes its topic or the issues surrounding the topic. It is, rather, on the thoughtful side.

Ironically, characterizing the movie as "sensationalism" without having even seen it is far more sensational than the movie itself.
 

JoStories

Well-Known Member
"Spotlight", a major motion picture depicting child-sexual abuse in the Roman Catholic Church, is one of the biggest movies of the year, and the reviews are phenomenal. Do you think this is a good thing that this is being publicized and shown to the world in this cinematic way? Has anyone seen it yet?
I have not seen it but I have heard that it is very good. I do think its a very good thing to expose and tell the truth of what the RCC has been trying to keep hidden. The problem is that this film may have taken literary license and not BE the real truth. But again, I have not seen it yet.
 

Demonslayer

Well-Known Member
Ok. So some people like to have a little chocolate after their meal and some people avoid sugar altogether.
Personally, I like cake. But when I did once watch a (cartoon) video and then went to pray, I found that I couldn't concentrate because I kept seeing this extremely distracting flashing behind my eyes. Clearly for me videos are detrimental to my life mission. I assume that you don't need to exert as much concentration in running as you need to in study and prayer, so for you that may not be an issue.

And I'm not really even saying it's inherently a bad thing to avoid all TV. It's just an example of what I consider extreme religious behavior. Many things with religion blow up into an extremely serious all-or-nothing proposition.

Alternatively, one could say that a sad thing about secularism is its tendency to judge religious doctrine without having any concept of it...

One could say that if it were true, and for some folks I suppose it is. I was raised devoutly Catholic so I know as much as you can know about that doctrine. I maintained a strong interest in religion and studied it in college. I worked for a pretty orthodox Jewish family that did the whole pre-ripping of the toilet paper, set their light timers and all that the night before the Sabbath so they didn't have to do any "work." I currently live in Brookline, MA, home of a large population of Hasidc Jews. I may know more about your doctrine that you think, though I don't claim to be an expert. Still, all I'm judging in what you're telling me, and I find much of it odd and disturbing.

Obviously not all priorities are equal, right?

I guess, but it's a tough pill to swallow when you say you're against TV and movies because it's better to interact socially with your fellow human being, and then learn that you try not to talk, be around, or even look at, women.

Again, trying not to be judgmental, to each his or her own, but that's pretty strange behavior that in my eyes is detrimental to living a normal life. What would you do if you had to work with women to make a living? What about when you're invited to social events? What if you're children marry someone who isn't in your sect?

And besides the appearance of being poorly adjusted socially, you're missing out on lots of wonderful people. So many women I know are smart, strong, inspirational, funny and kind. I'm happy to call many great women my friends, coworkers, running teammates, etc. You're missing out on meeting great people because your doctrine teaches you to shun them, presumably because of some sexual issue. Again, the extreme behavior I mentioned. It's not enough to learn to control lust and sexual feelings...you have to completely cut all women out of your life as much as possible. I just don't see how that can be a good thing overall.

But look, obviously outsider opinion is not a determining factor in what we do. I would even go so far as to say, that there is a strong lack of interest here in conforming, or you might say assimilating with your culture.

And this, perhaps, in a nutshell is the absolute worst thing about religion. All religion, not just your faith. We should all be one happy family. The human race. Religion puts everyone in their own little silos, fearful and distrustful of 'outsiders'. It creates division where there need not be any.

I kind of feel bad because this is derailing the thread and was not meant to.

Yeah but maybe it's a more interesting discussion than how Spotlight the movie was. :)
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
*delete snarky comment*
I don't watch TV or movies. Its an ultra-Orthodox thing. Limit absorption of secular culture and ideas. Minimize exposure to woman and situations that are not for public purview. That type of thing. I don't have facebook or a smart phone either.

Are computers ok? They can be even smarter than phones, usually.

Or what do you use to post here?

Ciao

- viole
 

Kenaz

I Am
Let's try and respect the OP and stay on topic. This is to discuss the movie, if one has seen it, or may see it. If someone isn't going to see it because of their beliefs, that's fine, their answer is obviously "No." I'd love to continue on and hear more views & reviews.

I personally just saw it and thought it was well done. Authority and it being abused, especially by those who hold someone's faith in their hand, is huge, whether we are religious or not. It is an injustice of trust, and something that, at the very least, deserves repentance and addressed in my opinion.

Good acting, well filmed. I would recommend.
 
"Spotlight", a major motion picture depicting child-sexual abuse in the Roman Catholic Church, is one of the biggest movies of the year, and the reviews are phenomenal. Do you think this is a good thing that this is being publicized and shown to the world in this cinematic way? Has anyone seen it yet?
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Speaking as an ex-catholic, I've seen the film and fully approve of it. Throwing light into the darkness of any institutional corruption is an important function of accountability. Attempting to put one self outside of accountability, which is the very nature of Law and especially in the name of God could not be a more dishonest sentiment. The damage to the church's moral standing and general credibility, the monumental sums it has paid out to survivers are all well deserved. It might even bring a few of the 'faithful' to comprehend that the church is all too human theological construct. Whether it has anything to do with God, history has yet to judge! http://www.energon.org.uk
 
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