Stealing a loaf of bread

[standing_alone]

I remember when I was a Christian and was in my confirmation class and the paster said something to the fact that, "If someone is starving they shouldn't steal a loaf of bread because it's a sin. If they're a believer and starve to death, they'll get to go to Heaven." I'm wondering how any of you feel about this, Christians especially. If someone is starving, is it okay for them to steal a loaf of bread (even if it's considered a sin) so they don't die a miserable death, or should they let themselves starve to death in case there is a is a Heaven? I myself say, "For the love of all that's holy, steal the loaf of bread!" I mean, hey, it's not like they haven't committed any other sins in their life, so what's wrong if they commit a sin so they don't starve?

 

[standing_alone]

Nobody likes my thread. I feel like such a reject.

But then again, I guess it's a stupid topic.

 

[Katzpur]

Nobody likes my thread. I feel like such a reject.

But then again, I guess it's a stupid topic.

Not as stupid as my "What do I look like?" thread.

I actually think that God is far less vengeful that a lot of Christians do. I think he's going to take a lot of things into account when judging us. It's pretty hard for me to imagine Him condemning a starving person from stealing a loaf of bread. Technically, sure, it's wrong to steal, but I think a life well-lived is worth a lot more than a life snuffed out by starvation at an early age.

 

[Sunstone]

Actually, it's hard to imagine having to steal a loaf of bread in this country. I know the pastor was giving a hypothetical, but he could have chosen a better one. There are so many soup kitchens and food banks here that no one really needs to go hungry in most communities. And even if there's no soup kitchen or food bank, how long does it take to panhandle the price of a loaf of bread?

Of course, if (in the unlikely event) that one were faced with the choice between starvation and stealing a loaf of bread as the only possible alternative, then one should steal the loaf of bread. But it's completely unlikely that situation would ever arise.

 

[Isabella Lecour]

Would it be a bigger sin to not steal a loaf of bread if a family was depending on the suport of the stealie? or a bigger sin to comit sucide via starvation?

Besides isn't OT explain that repayment is required for stealting, I think seven times or was it seven times seven on the value of the object stolen?

Personaly, that bread would be long gone! after I've tried all other resouces first.

My understanding of Christianity is that sin isn't the defining factor on who goes to heaven, I understand it is in salvation of one kind or another.

Just wondering, but what branch of Christanity did this pastor belong to?

 

[Katzpur]

Actually, it's hard to imagine having to steal a loaf of bread in this country.

Yeah, but there was nothing said about the hypothetical situation existing specifically in this country. I'm pretty sure that there are Christians in many South American countries that have found themselves in this predicament.

 

[standing_alone]

Actually, it's hard to imagine having to steal a loaf of bread in this country.

I believe he was using it as a worldwide hypothetical situation.

Just wondering, but what branch of Christanity did this pastor belong to?

Wisconsin Synod (WELS) Lutheran.

 

[Bishka]

I remember when I was a Christian and was in my confirmation class and the paster said something to the fact that, "If someone is starving they shouldn't steal a loaf of bread because it's a sin. If they're a believer and starve to death, they'll get to go to Heaven." I'm wondering how any of you feel about this, Christians especially. If someone is starving, is it okay for them to steal a loaf of bread (even if it's considered a sin) so they don't die a miserable death, or should they let themselves starve to death in case there is a is a Heaven? I myself say, "For the love of all that's holy, steal the loaf of bread!" I mean, hey, it's not like they haven't committed any other sins in their life, so what's wrong if they commit a sin so they don't starve?

I'm agreeing with you. God understands your circumstances and even Adam and Eve broke the law, when they ate the apple, but that was so that they could have the knowledge of good and evil, so that they could fufill the other commandment of the Lord.

The two commandements that were given were 1)Multiply and Replenish the earth
2) Do not eat of the tree of Good and evil. In order to fufill the higher law(multipy and replenish), they had to break the lesser law.

I do think that it would be okay. I don't even know if this has anything to with what you are talking about, but I think God will understand. Did any of what I said make sense, or am I so off base it's not even funny.

 

[standing_alone]

I do think that it would be okay. I don't even know if this has anything to with what you are talking about, but I think God will understand. Did any of what I said make sense, or am I so off base it's not even funny.

You're right. It's not funny. I have no idea what you were talking about. Just Kidding. Although one thing I didn't understand was why Adam and Eve would have had to eat the fruit in order to multiply and replenish. But thank goodness they did, or we'd have some serious overpopulation issues. Oh, wait, I think I get it now! If they didn't eat the fruit there would have been no death, so they wouldn't be able to replenish! Is that it? Am I close? Even just a little bit?

 

[Bishka]

You're right. It's not funny. I have no idea what you were talking about. Just Kidding. Although one thing I didn't understand was why Adam and Eve would have had to eat the fruit in order to multiply and replenish. But thank goodness they did, or we'd have some serious overpopulation issues. Oh, wait, I think I get it now! If they didn't eat the fruit there would have been no death, so they wouldn't be able to replenish! Is that it? Am I close? Even just a little bit?

They had to eat the fruit because they were in a state of ignorance. They didn't know how to 'make babies', so in order to fufill one commandment, they had to break a lesser commandment.

 

[standing_alone]

Oooooh. I guess I was way off. I guess my church was afraid to explain that Adam and Eve didn't know how to "make babies." Thank goodness the church didn't because I was, like, thirteen at the time and probably wouldn't have been able to handle that. It would have shattered my world.

 

[Bishka]

Oooooh. I guess I was way off. I guess my church was afraid to explain that Adam and Eve didn't know how to "make babies." Thank goodness the church didn't because I was, like, thirteen at the time and probably wouldn't have been able to handle that. It would have shattered my world.

It makes sense to me what I told you, makes more sense then what most other Christians churches preach, but I guess that's just me.

 

[mr.guy]

That apple must've been some aphrodisiac.

 

[standing_alone]

It makes sense to me what I told you, makes more sense then what most other Christians churches preach, but I guess that's just me.

It totally makes sense to me now. Thanks for clarifying!

 

[Bishka]

It totally makes sense to me now. Thanks for clarifying!

Ok, if you have anymore questions just PM and I'd be happy to answer them!

 

[FFH]

Nobody likes my thread. I feel like such a reject.

But then again, I guess it's a stupid topic.

No, this is a great thread. "Les Miserables" comes to mind when you asked this question.

 

[standing_alone]

"Les Miserables" comes to mind when you asked this question.

Ah, "Les Miserables." Never saw the musical, but I own an unabridged copy of the novel - some thousand pages. I'll get around to reading it someday... I hope.

 

[FFH]

The story "Les Miserables" shows the mercy and justice of God. Rent it and watch it if you haven't seen it.

 

[standing_alone]

Rent it and watch it if you haven't seen it.

I just may have to do that.

 

[Bishka]

The story "Les Miserables" shows the mercy and justice of God. Rent it and watch it if you haven't seen it.

Actually, I'd listen to the musical, then read the abridged copy of the book, then see the movie. The movie takes out so much of the book. Understandable at some parts, but insane at others.