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Sticks and Stones

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Not being organized doesn't absolve them of their crimes. Dunno why you folks think this fallacy holds water.
I'm not trying to absolve anyone, but independently operating nebulous groups who aren't over all as an individual aren't that active just are not the same as a crime organization. Alf is likely to call off a mission if any living thing will be harmed by carrying it out. The mob tends to believe dead men tell no tales.
And we can also examine the Hell's Angels, who are not only widespread Trump Supporters but remarkably Conservative. As is the KKK. Nazis and Neo-Nazis. Sovereign Citizens are unorganzied, typically Right leaning, and considered one of the greatest threats to law enforcement officials (typically highly problematic from what I have researched, but the FBI considers more than just a thorn in the side of police).
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Any person is not responsible for the crimes of others just for using the same political terminology as them.

They are each individually responsible for the crimes they personally commit. Nobody is saying the whole should be punished for the crimes of the few. That's just a stupid strawman.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Yeah, but when accused of transphobia he got so offended he started telling actually transphobic jokes.
No, he started telling "**** you jokes" to those who got offended. Definitely not transphobic, but too "taking a stab and digging it in" to really be funny.
"I Identify as a chimp" and that sort of beaten to death lazy reactionary humor.
The chimp joke was hilarious. If anything, it was more self-depreciative than anything.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Yeah, but when accused of transphobia he got so offended he started telling actually transphobic jokes. "I Identify as a chimp" and that sort of beaten to death lazy reactionary humor.
It's also an example of why you don't pick fights with comedians. They do bite back. If you can't take that don't even think about going in that kitchen and don't even look at it.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
I'm not trying to absolve anyone, but independently operating nebulous groups who aren't over all as an individual aren't that active just are not the same as a crime organization.

Irrelevant to the topic of the ones that commit crimes should be arrested, trialed, then imprisoned if found guilty.

As is the KKK. Nazis and Neo-Nazis.

All disavowed by Trump publicly, repeatedly, so let it go.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Ricky Gervais was accused of being trans phobic for acknowledging Caitlyn Jenner transitioning from male-to-female, Bruce to Caitlyn, and he showed acceptance of her as a woman that he roasted her by holding her up to female stereotypes. Funny joke, but definitely not transphobic. But he demonstrates you can joke about anything, because an incident of accidental vehicular manslaughter is why he was able to make the joke in the first place. His joke about fatal peanut allergies was also hilarious.
Like Ricky Gervais once opined (on the view no less, IIRC) comedy should polarise, some people won’t get the irony

(Paraphrasing obviously.)
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
The Rotten Tomato audience.
Have you any evidence those 9 are all those you accuse them off and there are no Left wing of the 11,000 of the audience review? Do you have any evidence to suggest why those 9 rated it lower than the other? Is that the case when it happens in other movie reviews that have a similarly sizeable discrepancy?
 

Shiranui117

Pronounced Shee-ra-noo-ee
Premium Member
Antifa isn't an organization. It's anyone who uses the term. Any person is not responsible for the crimes of others just for using the same political terminology as them.
There are branded Antifa cells which are organized and coordinated. Is there a worldwide Antifa organization? No, but many of the more violent Antifa groups within individual cities are indeed organized and coordinate their efforts.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Those 9 are rotten tomatoes paid critics. They side with the PC crowd to avoid boycotts and threats of violence.
And if that is true, I can posts evidence that no one, not Left or Right, White or Black, Rep or Dem, likes the PC crowd other than the PC crowd. And the PC crowd, very largely and mostly, are privileged white people. Rich kids who most likely never struggled financially or economically and never went without. Roughly about the same sort of socio-economic status that showed up as a primary voting bloc for Trump. Just on different sides of the political spectrum.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Had you watched Chapelles special you'd know he does the same. He makes fun of himself and everyone else. How can a POC punch down to anyone? That defies the logic of critical race theory.
I reject the weird hierarchy both the left “SJWs” and the alt right “SJWs” use, for the record.

Each situation has an up and down stance, well maybe not literally every scenario in existence. But you know, for the sake of brevity, most situations that can assessed has a case where you can punch up, punch down or just go hit the nuke button. South Park hits the nuke button because while they make fun of everyone, each episode is only ever talking about one subject. In a comedy set, obviously this isn’t the case. So you can mock yourself onstage all you want, you could be a flying pink unicorn, you can still punch down. Because in a stand up all the jokes are taken on a scenario by scenario basis.
Some questioned his jokes at the expense at the victims of the MJ child abuse scandal without mocking MJ himself. Now, if that is the case, (and I’m not saying it is) then sure one could say he punched down. If he mocked both, then the reaction is obviously one sided and unfair.

I’m not really against offensive comedy. I think comedy should absolutely cause trouble,
And outrage culture exists on both sides of the political spectrum. Everyone seemingly wants to be offended at something these days.
But life is rarely that black and white. I think both sides are shouting past each other. Each spurned on by the troublemaking pot stirrers.
I think we should employ far more nuance into the discussion.

Not all comedians can truly pull off the kind of “edgy” humour that made them famous back in the day. Because they simply fail to evolve. But some can.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
And if that is true, I can posts evidence that no one, not Left or Right, White or Black, Rep or Dem, likes the PC crowd other than the PC crowd. And the PC crowd, very largely and mostly, are privileged white people. Rich kids who most likely never struggled financially or economically and never went without. Roughly about the same sort of socio-economic status that showed up as a primary voting bloc for Trump. Just on different sides of the political spectrum.

You are 100% correct. Though the moderate left tend to bend the knee to these terrorist bullies. It's time for the moderate lefties to stand up for themselves and reclaim the Democratic party. And that I believe is what we are seeing with comedians like I mentioned before starting to reject the PC crowd nonsense.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Not all comedians can truly pull off the kind of “edgy” humour that made them famous back in the day.

Its not even edgy or dark. It's just comedy. George Carlin is a prime example. He would be sacrificed on the altar or progressivism in today's world. When in his prime he represented the cutting edge of progressivism.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Its not even edgy or dark. It's just comedy. George Carlin is a prime example. He would be sacrificed on the altar or progressivism in today's world. When in his prime he represented the cutting edge of progressivism.
The problem there is we've forgotten Progressivism defines a specific political movement and ideology who's prime time was about a century ago when Teddy Roosevelt was in office.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Its not even edgy or dark. It's just comedy. George Carlin is a prime example. He would be sacrificed on the altar or progressivism in today's world. When in his prime he represented the cutting edge of progressivism.
I don’t think so. George Carlin may have fallen prey to some of the outrage culture. But I think he understood enough about the technique of his craft to know who to punch, so to speak, in his routines. A comedian is not just someone who can go against the grain, anyone can do that. They’re not even someone who can just tell uncomfortable jokes, anyone can. They’re someone who can read the crowd, realise how to mock the crowd in a way that gets them thinking. Uncomfortable even. And do so in a way that makes the opposition look objectively (or as objective as one can in politics anyway) over reactive. The aforementioned Gervais’ joke about Miss Jenner from before illustrates this. Most people, who frankly don’t care about the mud slinging sport of the SJWs and their opponents, can presumably see why the outrage was kind of silly.

I can’t comment on mr Chappell, I like Chappell. I grew up watching his show. He seemingly lost the crowd. Whether that was warranted, I’ll have to find out for myself. Probably after work though, unless I’m too tired. A few responses, if true, do sound like fairly reasonable objections. So hopefully they were one sided.
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
You are 100% correct. Though the moderate left tend to bend the knee to these terrorist bullies. It's time for the moderate lefties to stand up for themselves and reclaim the Democratic party. And that I believe is what we are seeing with comedians like I mentioned before starting to reject the PC crowd nonsense.

Believe it or not, I agree with this particular statement.
 
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