Stop all fake news! Trump is a great President!

[oldbadger]

Or maybe not, I find it unfortunate that the famed British "stiff upper lip" has now become the "quivering liver", it's Isandlwana all over again! Certainly you have lived through much worse and came out fine, you are probably more at risk of being stabbed anyway.

Politics have little to do with this, had Hillary won I would be saying the same. Disease and death have always taken Kings and paupers alike, nature has it's way of correcting the balance.

Says you.
Best to keep your insults to yourself, listen to the government news reports, and do what you are told.

If you only listened you would know that our countries are all going to go through the same as Italy.

 

[Revoltingest]

And if the untrue things risk many people's lives, I think it's perfectly reasonable to consider that incompetence.

Or....does it prevent panic, allowing people to calmly figure out what to do?
It would be perfectly reasonable to consider that competence.

 

[Stanyon]

Says you.
Best to keep your insults to yourself, listen to the government news reports, and do what you are told.

If you only listened you would know that our countries are all going to go through the same as Italy.

Now I'm supposed to listen to Trump and the sensationalist lugenpresse?

I will be fine either way.

 

[Revoltingest]

At some point it has to do more with Trump's incompetence in governing than it does with Trump hating. Trump is just not a very effective leader. How many walls have been built? Is the swamp drained? He's all hat no cattle.

A minor quibble....
There was only one wall to be built in the first place.

 

[Augustus]

Or....does it prevent panic, allowing people to calmly figure out what to do?
It would be perfectly reasonable to consider that competence.

Inconsistent and often downright false messages, indecisiveness and inaction, passing the buck and political grandstanding are not what I would consider competent leadership in a major crisis.

10 days ago we knew what we needed to do: take very strong actions to reduce the spread, in these circumstances making an inane flu analogy is dangerously misleading.

In which case say: "This is very serious and unprecedented in recent times, but here is what you can do to lower the risks for yourself and others...", rather than: "Don't worry about it, carry on as normal" which is exactly what you don't want people to do. Especially when you have consistently downplayed it for political, rather than public health reasons leading to many people taking it less seriously than they otherwise would have.

Anyway, it is much better that people overreact than underreact, as one of these is much more likely to end in the deaths of many, many people. A dead person who didn't panic is still dead.

 

[Revoltingest]

Inconsistent and often downright false messages, indecisiveness and inaction, passing the buck and political grandstanding are not what I would consider competent leadership in a major crisis.

10 days ago we knew what we needed to do: take very strong actions to reduce the spread, in these circumstances making an inane flu analogy is dangerously misleading.

In which case say: "This is very serious and unprecedented in recent times, but here is what you can do to lower the risks for yourself and others...", rather than: "Don't worry about it, carry on as normal" which is exactly what you don't want people to do. Especially when you have consistently downplayed it for political, rather than public health reasons leading to many people taking it less seriously than they otherwise would have.

Anyway, it is much better that people overreact than underreact, as one of these is much more likely to end in the deaths of many, many people. A dead person who didn't panic is still dead.

I'd expect some indecision, waffling, & calming untruths, & even over-reaction
to an unprecedented (in our lifetimes) disease outbreak. I"m not saying that
he handled it competently (although I saw room for improvement), but those
accusing him of incompetence haven't made a good non-partisan case.

 

[shmogie]

At some point it has to do more with Trump's incompetence in governing than it does with Trump hating. Trump is just not a very effective leader. How many walls have been built? Is the swamp drained? He's all hat no cattle.

Spit in your hand, then you will be holding the equivalent value of your opinion, or mine.

You have to cite incompetence, you can't say it, and it is, because you wish it so.

 

[shmogie]

Ahh, all those ignorant tweets and groping women (but give him his due, he seems to have stopped that recently)

Edit

"I ignore his pompous and egocentric verbiage,"

But that's Trump

Yep, that's him.Policies and results are what really matters.

 

[shmogie]

I'd expect some indecision, waffling, & calming untruths, & even over-reaction
to an unprecedented (in our lifetimes) disease outbreak. I"m not saying that
he handled it incompetently (although I saw room for improvement), but those
accusing him of incompetence haven't made a good non-partisan case.

No, they have not. Every country in Europe, and China have incompetent leaders, if you look at their responses, and deaths, if judged by this new Trump standard.

When it dies down, lets tally up the scores, and see who wins..

 

[shmogie]

What he say is very important as it influences people's behaviour and that has a very significant effect.

It's not the same as standard politics as usual where you can make that case that actions matter and words don't, and it's just party political salesmanship. Also when his actions (or lack of them) matched his words, there isn't a great case to be made in his defence.

You did not use the American spelling for "defense", Am I to assume from that that you aren't an American?

Can you actually supply facts related to your post? Or, are our allegations based in something other than facts, as I suspect?

 

[dfnj]

Spit in your hand, then you will be holding the equivalent value of your opinion, or mine.

You have to cite incompetence, you can't say it, and it is, because you wish it so.

I don't have cite anything but I will. Trump's a buffoon and ignoramus for not listening to the experts sooner! I get it you are a Trump boot licker. There's nothing I'm going to say or quote to you that will change your mind. Face it, you are a sycophant.

January 21, 2020
US coronavirus diagnoses: 1
Dow Jones Industrial Average at close: 29,196.04
The first coronavirus case in the United States is identified in Washington state.
The next day, when asked by CNBC whether he was worried about a pandemics, Trump says: "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It's -- going to be just fine."
January 30, 2020
US coronavirus diagnoses: 5
Dow Jones Industrial Average at close: 28,859.44
Trump suggests that the impact in the US is low, tweeting: "Only 5 people in U.S., all in good recovery."
February 10, 2020
US coronavirus diagnoses: 12
Dow Jones Industrial Average at close: 29,276.82
At a rally in New Hampshire, Trump suggests that warmer weather will cause the coronavirus to die off.
"Looks like by April, you know in theory when it gets a little warmer it miraculously goes away. I hope that's true," Trump tells his supporters.
He also signals that while dealing with the virus is "rough stuff," adding: "I think it's going to work out good. We only have 11 cases and they're all getting better."
February 24, 2020
US coronavirus diagnoses: 35
Dow Jones Industrial Average at close: 27,960.80
"The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA," Trump tweets, trying to relay that both the virus and the state of the stock market are under control. "Stock Market starting to look very good to me!"
February 26, 2020
US coronavirus diagnoses: 56
Dow Jones Industrial Average at close: 26,957.59
President maintains that "the risk to the American people remains very low" and the US is prepared for more cases.
"We're very, very ready for this. Whether it's going to be a breakout of larger proportions or whether or not we're at that very low level," he says during a news conference.
The President also tweets blame to cable news networks MSNBC and CNN for "doing everything possible to make the Caronavirus look as bad as possible, including panicking markets, if possible." In the same tweet, he says, "(T)heir incompetent Do Nothing Democrat comrades are all talk, no action. USA in great shape!"
March 2, 2020
US coronavirus diagnoses: 90
Dow Jones Industrial Average at close: 26,703.32
The President mistakenly suggests a coronavirus vaccine could be fully developed and deployed in the US within a matter of months. He's immediately corrected by his top infectious disease expert.
March 5, 2020
US coronavirus diagnoses: 161
Dow Jones Industrial Average at close: 26,121.28
Trump maintains that he'll shake hands and hug people, despite the possibility of increased transmission.
The President also touts the government's high approval ratings and criticizes Democrats on Twitter.
"Gallup just gave us the highest rating ever for the way we are handling the CoronaVirus situation," he tweets. "The April 2009-10 Swine Flu, where nearly 13,000 people died in the U.S., was poorly handled. Ask MSDNC & lightweight Washington failure @RonaldKlain, who the President was then?"
March 9, 2020
US coronavirus diagnoses: 565
Dow Jones Industrial Average at close: 23,851.02
The President says life and the economy will "go on" and compares Covid-19 cases to influenza.
"So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!" Trump tweets.
March 11, 2020
US coronavirus diagnoses: 1,000
Dow Jones Industrial Average at close: 23,553.22
The World Health Organization declares Covid-19's spread a pandemic.
Trump holds an evening Oval Office address where he announces new travel restrictions on most of Europe.
"We have seen dramatically fewer cases of the virus in the United States than are now present in Europe," Trump said as he read from a teleprompter behind the Resolute Desk. "The European Union failed to take the same precautions and restrict travel from China and other hot spots. As a result, a large number of new clusters in the United States were seeded by travelers from Europe."
Earlier in the day, Trump downplays a potential economic stimulus package, saying during a Cabinet Room meeting: "If we get rid of the problem quickly, everything solves itself, we don't need stimulus."
March 13, 2020
US coronavirus diagnoses: 1,666
Dow Jones Industrial Average at close: 23,185.62
The President declares a national emergency.
"Through a very collective action and shared sacrifice, national determination, we will overcome the threat of the virus," Trump says in the Rose Garden.
March 15, 2020
US coronavirus diagnoses: 2,885
Dow Jones Industrial Average at close: Sunday, no trading
"We are doing very precise Medical Screenings at our airports. Pardon the interruptions and delays, we are moving as quickly as possible, but it is very important that we be vigilant and careful," Trump tweets. "We must get it right. Safety first!"
March 17, 2020
US coronavirus diagnoses: 4,477
Dow Jones Industrial Average at close: 21,237.38
The Trump administration proposes a $1 trillion economic response package to Congress.
"It's going to be big and it's going to be bold," Trump says of the legislative proposal, which potentially includes $1,000 checks to Americans.
"I think we're going to do something that gets money to them as quickly as possible. That may not be an accurate way of doing it because obviously some people shouldn't be getting checks for $1,000. But we'll have a pretty good idea by the end of the day what we're going to be doing," Trump said.
March 18, 2020
US coronavirus diagnoses: 6,138
Dow Jones Industrial Average at close: 19,898.92
Trump authorizes the deployment of military hospital ships to assist states heavily impacted by the coronavirus and invokes the Defense Procurement Act to produce and distribute more medical supplies.
"We must sacrifice together, because we are all in this together, and we'll come through together. It's the invisible enemy that's always the toughest enemy, the invisible enemy, but we're going to defeat the invisible enemy," Trump says during a press briefing.

A complete 180 degrees. The boot lickers will never admit Trump is a moron.

For anyone who cares about the score:

United States Coronavirus: 11,355 Cases and 171 Deaths - Worldometer

 

[ChristineM]

Yep, that's him.Policies and results are what really matters.

Ok
Trump-O-Meter: Tracking Trump's Campaign Promises | PolitiFact

 

[Augustus]

I'd expect some indecision, waffling, & calming untruths, & even over-reaction
to an unprecedented (in our lifetimes) disease outbreak. I"m not saying that
he handled it competently (although I saw room for improvement), but those
accusing him of incompetence haven't made a good non-partisan case.

It has nothing to do with being partisan. Are you of the opinion that encouraging people to take the threat less seriously and carry on as normal when a deadly pandemic has already started doesn't threaten people's lives?

 

[Augustus]

You did not use the American spelling for "defense", Am I to assume from that that you aren't an American?

Can you actually supply facts related to your post? Or, are our allegations based in something other than facts, as I suspect?

Americans are so obsessed with their partisan identities that they seem to think that everyone must also be obsessed with them.

See previous post: Stop all fake news! Trump is a great President!

Do you believe the best response to an ongoing pandemic with the potential to kill millions of people is to tell them to carry on as normal because people die of flu every year?

 

[aeon6]

Since the outbreak of 2019-nCoV spread in the United States, some media like CNN has published a number of news attacking Trump’s efforts to contain the outbreak of virus. These news has caused unnecessary panic in America. And now, these reports gave China the perfect opportunity to attack the United States.
As we know, CNN has completely ignored the efforts of President Trump to contain the outbreak of virus. In recent days, they have reported extensively on various message from the CDC attacking the government for doing nothing. But now, these large-scale reports have caught China’s attention. On March 12, the spokesman of Chinese Foreign Ministry posted 5 messages on Twitter, he suspected the U.S military brought the virus to Wuhan. Now they have a lot of evidence, CNN helped them！

T-rump deflects and evades, much as you do. Imagine the yellow and orange imbecile's legacy: belligerence.

 

[Revoltingest]

It has nothing to do with being partisan.

We all believe we're non-partisan.

Are you of the opinion that encouraging people to take the threat less seriously and carry on as normal when a deadly pandemic has already started doesn't threaten people's lives?

Phrased that way, I'd say that's wrong.

 

[shmogie]

Ok
Trump-O-Meter: Tracking Trump's Campaign Promises | PolitiFact

Looks to me as though he has done a good job. Stalled doesn't mean stalled by him, and in the works means exactly what it says.

 

[shmogie]

I don't have cite anything but I will. Trump's a buffoon and ignoramus for not listening to the experts sooner! I get it you are a Trump boot licker. There's nothing I'm going to say or quote to you that will change your mind. Face it, you are a sycophant.

January 21, 2020
US coronavirus diagnoses: 1
Dow Jones Industrial Average at close: 29,196.04
The first coronavirus case in the United States is identified in Washington state.
The next day, when asked by CNBC whether he was worried about a pandemics, Trump says: "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It's -- going to be just fine."
January 30, 2020
US coronavirus diagnoses: 5
Dow Jones Industrial Average at close: 28,859.44
Trump suggests that the impact in the US is low, tweeting: "Only 5 people in U.S., all in good recovery."
February 10, 2020
US coronavirus diagnoses: 12
Dow Jones Industrial Average at close: 29,276.82
At a rally in New Hampshire, Trump suggests that warmer weather will cause the coronavirus to die off.
"Looks like by April, you know in theory when it gets a little warmer it miraculously goes away. I hope that's true," Trump tells his supporters.
He also signals that while dealing with the virus is "rough stuff," adding: "I think it's going to work out good. We only have 11 cases and they're all getting better."
February 24, 2020
US coronavirus diagnoses: 35
Dow Jones Industrial Average at close: 27,960.80
"The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA," Trump tweets, trying to relay that both the virus and the state of the stock market are under control. "Stock Market starting to look very good to me!"
February 26, 2020
US coronavirus diagnoses: 56
Dow Jones Industrial Average at close: 26,957.59
President maintains that "the risk to the American people remains very low" and the US is prepared for more cases.
"We're very, very ready for this. Whether it's going to be a breakout of larger proportions or whether or not we're at that very low level," he says during a news conference.
The President also tweets blame to cable news networks MSNBC and CNN for "doing everything possible to make the Caronavirus look as bad as possible, including panicking markets, if possible." In the same tweet, he says, "(T)heir incompetent Do Nothing Democrat comrades are all talk, no action. USA in great shape!"
March 2, 2020
US coronavirus diagnoses: 90
Dow Jones Industrial Average at close: 26,703.32
The President mistakenly suggests a coronavirus vaccine could be fully developed and deployed in the US within a matter of months. He's immediately corrected by his top infectious disease expert.
March 5, 2020
US coronavirus diagnoses: 161
Dow Jones Industrial Average at close: 26,121.28
Trump maintains that he'll shake hands and hug people, despite the possibility of increased transmission.
The President also touts the government's high approval ratings and criticizes Democrats on Twitter.
"Gallup just gave us the highest rating ever for the way we are handling the CoronaVirus situation," he tweets. "The April 2009-10 Swine Flu, where nearly 13,000 people died in the U.S., was poorly handled. Ask MSDNC & lightweight Washington failure @RonaldKlain, who the President was then?"
March 9, 2020
US coronavirus diagnoses: 565
Dow Jones Industrial Average at close: 23,851.02
The President says life and the economy will "go on" and compares Covid-19 cases to influenza.
"So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!" Trump tweets.
March 11, 2020
US coronavirus diagnoses: 1,000
Dow Jones Industrial Average at close: 23,553.22
The World Health Organization declares Covid-19's spread a pandemic.
Trump holds an evening Oval Office address where he announces new travel restrictions on most of Europe.
"We have seen dramatically fewer cases of the virus in the United States than are now present in Europe," Trump said as he read from a teleprompter behind the Resolute Desk. "The European Union failed to take the same precautions and restrict travel from China and other hot spots. As a result, a large number of new clusters in the United States were seeded by travelers from Europe."
Earlier in the day, Trump downplays a potential economic stimulus package, saying during a Cabinet Room meeting: "If we get rid of the problem quickly, everything solves itself, we don't need stimulus."
March 13, 2020
US coronavirus diagnoses: 1,666
Dow Jones Industrial Average at close: 23,185.62
The President declares a national emergency.
"Through a very collective action and shared sacrifice, national determination, we will overcome the threat of the virus," Trump says in the Rose Garden.
March 15, 2020
US coronavirus diagnoses: 2,885
Dow Jones Industrial Average at close: Sunday, no trading
"We are doing very precise Medical Screenings at our airports. Pardon the interruptions and delays, we are moving as quickly as possible, but it is very important that we be vigilant and careful," Trump tweets. "We must get it right. Safety first!"
March 17, 2020
US coronavirus diagnoses: 4,477
Dow Jones Industrial Average at close: 21,237.38
The Trump administration proposes a $1 trillion economic response package to Congress.
"It's going to be big and it's going to be bold," Trump says of the legislative proposal, which potentially includes $1,000 checks to Americans.
"I think we're going to do something that gets money to them as quickly as possible. That may not be an accurate way of doing it because obviously some people shouldn't be getting checks for $1,000. But we'll have a pretty good idea by the end of the day what we're going to be doing," Trump said.
March 18, 2020
US coronavirus diagnoses: 6,138
Dow Jones Industrial Average at close: 19,898.92
Trump authorizes the deployment of military hospital ships to assist states heavily impacted by the coronavirus and invokes the Defense Procurement Act to produce and distribute more medical supplies.
"We must sacrifice together, because we are all in this together, and we'll come through together. It's the invisible enemy that's always the toughest enemy, the invisible enemy, but we're going to defeat the invisible enemy," Trump says during a press briefing.

A complete 180 degrees. The boot lickers will never admit Trump is a moron.

For anyone who cares about the score:

United States Coronavirus: 11,355 Cases and 171 Deaths - Worldometer

Based upon the expanding knowledge of the disease, his comments are appropriate. I note that you omitted the China travel ban, that when implemented folks like you said he was over reacting and being xenophobic. That action significantly reduced infections and deaths, Why did you leave that out?

You like to keep score? Compare our score to any European country, and remember, we have 320 million people.

Viruses in general tend disappear in warmer weather, that is why colds and flu exist primarily in winter. So, unless this virus is super radically different from others, one could say that the warmer weather will slow it down, or eliminate it.

Bootlickers, is a dumb moron phrase, I see you now more clearly.

 

[ChristineM]

Looks to me as though he has done a good job. Stalled doesn't mean stalled by him, and in the works means exactly what it says.

And his promises kept and promise broken also mean exactly what it says. Wonder why you didn't mention them

 

[oldbadger]

Now I'm supposed to listen to Trump and the sensationalist lugenpresse?

I will be fine either way.

When crises like this happen you need to dump your petty politics and get behind a leader's government which is trying to organise an effective response to a very nasty sickness. There may soon be emergency legislation to make you do what you're told.

You have no clue whether you'll be fine or not.
You accuse others of excessive fear, but you'd soon be visiting the toilet hurriedly if this came anywhere near you, is my guess.