Strict Islamic dress - a question to those who wear this

[Mock Turtle]

For those who wear a burqa or niqab, obviously being females, and who do so in a Western city or town where this is very much not the norm, how do you feel about the attitudes of others (respectful or otherwise) and how do you cope with the fact that most do not seem to have a problem with the way any others dress - that is, not like you?

 

[YmirGF]

For those who wear a burqa or niqab, obviously being females, and who do so in a Western city or town where this is very much not the norm, how do you feel about the attitudes of others (respectful or otherwise) and how do you cope with the fact that most do not seem to have a problem with the way any others dress - that is, not like you?

I found a former member FullyVeiledMuslima's answers to this to be most edifying. She promoted the idea that this was akin to the act of a holy woman, not of some homicidal maniac and that many people misunderstood this intent of following a given interpretation of their religion to the max. What I tried to counter with is that when I see a woman who is fully covered it doesn't even enter my mind that I am seeing some kind of holy person other than one with extremist views. That was very difficult for her to rebuff. I explained that I didn't think anything particularly negative or was offended by it, but rather, it was like seeing someone in a balaclava on a summer day. It just doesn't sync with what one would expect, but further, it is difficult to relate to how this is some kind of holy action. "So, you covered yourself up. Now what?"

 

[Poseidon Soter]

I found a former member FullyVeiledMuslima's answers to this to be most edifying. She promoted the idea that this was akin to the act of a holy woman, not of some homicidal maniac and that many people misunderstood this intent of following a given interpretation of their religion to the max. What I tried to counter with is that when I see a woman who is fully covered it doesn't even enter my mind that I am seeing some kind of person other than one with extremist views. That was very difficult for her to rebuff. I explained that I didn't think anything particularly negative or was offended by it, but rather, it was like seeing someone in a balaclava on a summer day. It just doesn't sync with what one would expect, but further, it is difficult to relate to how this is some kind of holy action. "So, you covered yourself up. Now what?"

What one person counts as extremist another person counts as normal. Ditto 'what one would expect'.

 

[YmirGF]

What one person counts as extremist another person counts as normal. Ditto 'what one would expect'.

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

 

[Poseidon Soter]

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

You're welcome!

 

[David T]

Which one is the American convert?

 

[David1967]

I say , make the men wear the same type of restrictive clothing as they impose on the women and see how long it takes them to change their views.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I say , make the men wear the same type of restrictive clothing as they impose on the women and see how long it takes them to change their views.

And be sure to ****-shame the **** out of them if they decide they don't feel like conforming.

 

[GoodbyeDave]

In 2009, the Grand Imam of the al-Azhar mosque in Cairo issued a fatwa to the effect that the face veil is a tradition of no religious significance. I wonder how its wearers react to that?

 

[Rival]

In 2009, the Grand Imam of the al-Azhar mosque in Cairo issued a fatwa to the effect that the face veil is a tradition of no religious significance. I wonder how its wearers react to that?

2009? Evidently no-one gave a phuck.

 

[Ellen Brown]

In 2009, the Grand Imam of the al-Azhar mosque in Cairo issued a fatwa to the effect that the face veil is a tradition of no religious significance. I wonder how its wearers react to that?

Actually, the Saudis try to make everyone think they are in charge.

 

[Ellen Brown]

For those who wear a burqa or niqab, obviously being females, and who do so in a Western city or town where this is very much not the norm, how do you feel about the attitudes of others (respectful or otherwise) and how do you cope with the fact that most do not seem to have a problem with the way any others dress - that is, not like you?

In 2005, I left Fundi Christianity, and converted to Islam. I'm still mostly Muslim but have my own thoughts about some issues, though I do not discuss these with Muslims.

I have worn Niqab (head and face covering) but quickly went to just wearing Hijab (Head scarf). The face cover actually has no support in the Qur'an but some very conservative sects badger women to do it. I have used the face covering to prevent people who do not like me from knowing I am there. In America, I was often mistaken for a Catholic Nun, so eventually just prayed with them when they asked.

The practice of Modesty in Islam is called "Hijab", and applies to both men and women. Men are to stay covered from their knees to their neck but can have short sleeves. Women are to expose only their feet, hands and face. Some more conservative sects require socks, gloves, and total face covering. Islam is just as fragmented as Christianity and Judaism.

In my opinion, the best Muslims are American converts, because they are more likely to read the Quran, Hadiths (The life of the Prophet and his sayings), and Fatwas (Rules on how to conduct your life). Most other countries have an Imam that is the only one who can read, so Muslims get his opinion. In some places, women are not allowed to attend the Mosque, so the wife only gets what the husband thinks.

Jesus the Christ (Issa PBUH) is in Islam. A whole Surah (Chapter) is devoted to him. The Islamic interpretation calls him the best prophet and not the son of God. If you call Jesus the Son of God, that is called Shirk, and that is a very serious offense.

I was deluded into believing that only Muslims pray 5 times a day, but Jews do it and Christians are supposed to.

All the above is my opinion based upon my experiences, so if there is a Muslim man lurking I will not allow you to yell at me.

 

[Mock Turtle]

In 2005, I left Fundi Christianity, and converted to Islam. I'm still mostly Muslim but have my own thoughts about some issues, though I do not discuss these with Muslims.

I have worn Niqab (head and face covering) but quickly went to just wearing Hijab (Head scarf). The face cover actually has no support in the Qur'an but some very conservative sects badger women to do it. I have used the face covering to prevent people who do not like me from knowing I am there. In America, I was often mistaken for a Catholic Nun, so eventually just prayed with them when they asked.

The practice of Modesty in Islam is called "Hijab", and applies to both men and women. Men are to stay covered from their knees to their neck but can have short sleeves. Women are to expose only their feet, hands and face. Some more conservative sects require socks, gloves, and total face covering. Islam is just as fragmented as Christianity and Judaism.

In my opinion, the best Muslims are American converts, because they are more likely to read the Quran, Hadiths (The life of the Prophet and his sayings), and Fatwas (Rules on how to conduct your life). Most other countries have an Imam that is the only one who can read, so Muslims get his opinion. In some places, women are not allowed to attend the Mosque, so the wife only gets what the husband thinks.

Jesus the Christ (Issa PBUH) is in Islam. A whole Surah (Chapter) is devoted to him. The Islamic interpretation calls him the best prophet and not the son of God. If you call Jesus the Son of God, that is called Shirk, and that is a very serious offense.

I was deluded into believing that only Muslims pray 5 times a day, but Jews do it and Christians are supposed to.

All the above is my opinion based upon my experiences, so if there is a Muslim man lurking I will not allow you to yell at me.

Thank you - I'd hate to see females isolated in a mostly non-Muslim community because they felt forced to wear something that does just stick out from others so much. And I am sure many will choose to wear these because they accept some teachings - just not sure how many that might be. Like many here no doubt, we would rather see females enjoying the same privileges and freedoms as males, and if dress was not enabling this then I just wonder how that makes any Muslim female feel.

 

[Ellen Brown]

Thank you - I'd hate to see females isolated in a mostly non-Muslim community because they felt forced to wear something that does just stick out from others so much. And I am sure many will choose to wear these because they accept some teachings - just not sure how many that might be. Like many here no doubt, we would rather see females enjoying the same privileges and freedoms as males, and if dress was not enabling this then I just wonder how that makes any Muslim female feel.

Here, where I live no one was ever mean until the present political rhetoric got so hateful, and that was only about 6 months ago. It is my opinion that extremist Wahhabists in Islam inspired the terrorism and the more moderate muslims were actually afraid of them, so did not speak out against them. The 1st Amendment should protect all belief systems, but at this time it is not.

 

[outlawState]

Jesus the Christ (Issa PBUH) is in Islam. A whole Surah (Chapter) is devoted to him. The Islamic interpretation calls him the best prophet and not the son of God. If you call Jesus the Son of God, that is called Shirk, and that is a very serious offense.

Islam pays but lip service to Jesus Christ. Islam does not believe in any of the gospels. It doesn't believe in anything that is written about him. You should not think for one moment that the homage that Islam extends to Jesus will be recognized by him.

Mat 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[Ellen Brown]

Islam pays but lip service to Jesus Christ. Islam does not believe in any of the gospels. It doesn't believe in anything that is written about him. You should not think for one moment that the homage that Islam extends to Jesus will be recognized by him.

Mat 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Sometimes I am not sure about things, but one thing I know for sure and that is I am not called to judge anyone.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

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Issue is that you want to counter what someone wants to do religiously.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Islam pays but lip service to Jesus Christ. Islam does not believe in any of the gospels. It doesn't believe in anything that is written about him. You should not think for one moment that the homage that Islam extends to Jesus will be recognized by him.

Mat 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Jews pay nothing to your Jewish Jesus as well..

 

[YmirGF]

Issue is that you want to counter what someone wants to do religiously.

So, I'm not allowed to voice disapproval for a primitive gesture in supplication to a supposed god? Really?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

So, I'm not allowed to voice disapproval for a primitive gesture in supplication to a supposed god? Really?

I think your line of thinking is primitive just as I think your avatar is quite childish although I loved mighty mouse as a kid, but if I wanted to put on my Psychologist hat I could have a plethora of things to say about that but it doesn't stop you from keeping your avatar.

For whatever strange and ungodly reason I like you YmirGF and so I say this with warm gooey feelings.