Suicide

[kreeden]

There are many reasons for sucide . Right or wrong would depend upon the reason , IMHO . And because I can not live in another's head , I can not juide another's reasons . But as I once posted before , there was a lady just north of here who decided it was time for her to move on , so after giving a speach on her wishs for her community at a gathering , she just walked away ... They found her 3 weeks later , setting agaisnt a tree with her purse on her lap and a smile on her face ... And I think that is a beautiful way to go .

 

[ayani]

You are right, Gracie. My sincere apology to you. I should not have made that comment without further explanation. I was speaking from my own viewpoint. If I decide to commit suicide, I would not want anyone trying to persuade me from doing so, whether that person loved me or not. I especially resent society in general (and the government) from making it impossible for those wishing to take their lives to do so with minimum pain and maximum dignity through professional assistence.

ok, rich. sorry, i didn't realize you were speaking from your own point of view.

suicide is a kind of sensitive topic for me. a very dear relative took her own life (man, it's tough to say that- when most people ask i say she "had an accident") last year. my best friend has been grappling with suicidal thoughts and attempts for years, and it's been tough trying to convince him that he's loved and needed.

for me, it's just not a very liberating, sunny road to walk down.

 

[Bastet]

oy vey

you know what i'm here by making this thread off limits to myself...if anyone cares my opinions can be found on the original suicide thread here:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7616&page=2&pp=10
post #20 and it goes on from there

My thoughts are also in the link that JS posted. I don't care to rehash them here. Rich and I have already agreed to disagree.

 

[almifkhar]

personally i think life is too intresting to want to leave it by my own hands and i also think that it is a cowardly thing to do, but hey if that is what someone wants to do, so be it, i wont stop them.

 

[Crystallas]

Just to add to the things that were allready mentioned.

I also believe that suicide is a way of punishing your loved ones. Things happen to people that make them angry enough to want to use this option. I think sometimes when people commit suicide, they open their families eyes, and sometimes tear them appart. As much as I wish nobody ever killed themselves, I cant personally judge anyone for it if I cant see what they see from their eyes and feel what they feel from their heart. As a Christian, I cant judge each individual , but I can most definately forgive anyone for doing so.

 

[Snowbear]

From a Christian standpoint....no.

If one were to ask in advance.... is suicide forgivable?

 

[Bastet]

Just to add to the things that were allready mentioned.

I also believe that suicide is a way of punishing your loved ones. Things happen to people that make them angry enough to want to use this option.

It's interesting that you should make this point. Just today I was reading a book where someone was threatening suicide in such a way. The person they were talking to had this to say:
"...Grow up. You don't just shoot your brains out when things turn to s***, do you hear me? Do you know what suicide is? It's getting in the last pissed-off word. It's a big so there."

In some instances, I think this is very much the case.

 

[michel]

i agree whole-heartedly with Tawn.

from the standpoint of someone who does not want to end their own life, i do not understand suicide. i'm not going to project my own good luck and sentiments on someone in a situation i've never faced. i will, however, do what i can to let them know they're loved and listen to them. i think sometimes that's the best thing you can do.

Oh, how I wish there were more 'Gracies and Tawns, and RetroRiches' about;

I've already posted on this thread, and I posted in the previous thread on this subject, but, for me, it is such an emotive subject, and one that is so permanently on my mind that I feel compelled to 'Have another go'.

Gracie, your attitude is one of positive compassion. The trouble is that you could talk to someone like me for ever, without gaining ground. Pain is not measurable, and I therefore don't know if I am making a big fuss over a 'nothing' or whether I am infact in intollerable mental pain, and very bad physical pain.

I do not want to live; I am 56, but feel more like 96 - my not comitting suicide is something that I have had drilled into me hard as being absolutely unacceptable - it would not be 'fair' on my family. However, with this dictate that I am not allowed to kill myself - because it would be selfish (Oh how that makes me angry when I hear that) means that, to please others, I have to go through a life of 'hell' punctuated with very short bursts of 'feeling sort of O.K' for short periods of time.

Here, I think the selfishness lies with all of those who say 'you must not kill yourself' - their conscience is salved, while I continue in what I feel is an unbearable state - this, for me really is a 'catch 22'.

I'm not a very good person; I don't want to do anything - I would be a hermit with a few hobbies (and this is one that I have recently taken up - and it is so important to me), but I do need people around - if I am left on my own, I binge on food, on drink - anything; if Marie is here she is constantly (for the best possible motives) trying to force me to go out - when she succeeds, I am so miserable that I mess up everyone's day and then get the blame for it. No win, no win, no win, no win.

I was just going to scrap this reply, because it sounds so defeatist, but then thought 'Why should I' - perhaps those self opinionated people who say that suicide is a selfish act, an 'easy way out' might read this, and learn something - though I doubt it.

To repeat myself, (for me at any rate), suicide is just as unselfish as selfish - selfish, yes, because I can get out of this harrowing existance, but unselfish because I wanted to give my wife freedom to marry someone else - and for the kids to have a father they can be proud of. I am not being morbid - I am talking in terms of sheer logic. I do not want to live - but I have to.

 

[Ori]

I know exactly how you feel Michel, because I have always felt this way. I don't know what to do about it.

 

[retrorich]

Michael, my friend, I was deeply saddened by your last post to this thread. I am so sorry to learn you are experiencing such a degree of physical and mental pain.

You say you are not a very good person. Well, I, and anyone else who has read your threads and received your PMs, knows that is absolutely not true. You are a kind and caring person. You have been so supportive of me and my partner during our current troubles. And somehow you manage to maintain your delightful sense of humor despite your intense suffering.

I wish I could say I will pray for you as you have prayed for Joan and me. But I am an atheist and cannot do so.

I wish I could tell you to dismiss all thought of suicide. But you know my thoughts on that subject.

What I can say is that I hope things will improve for you so you can enjoy the peace and joy you deserve.

 

[Gandhisdog]

I am sorry to hear that. sorry also for my shouting at you the other day.