Summoning Spirits

[Spiderman]

Christians claim summoning Spirits is Evil but they did it under a different name. If you go to a Pentecostal revival and see people talking in tounges and falling on the ground twitching, convulsing, weeping hysterically, or having fits of laughter it looks like what a person would see in Haiti at a voodoo ceremony where people are becoming possessed by Loa.

Christians just say it is the Holy Spirit, but they don't know that.

So, summoning spirits is dangerous. Even experienced witches, necromancers, and voodoo priests will say it is dangerous, and that they have been choked, harassed, given night terrors, thrown across the room, and afflicted with mental illness, feelings of despair and impending doom, possessions , and temptations to do evil to others or self etc.

However, experiencing such things could also get a skeptic to be aware of the supernatural world and turn to God as well. Turning to the occult can often get a person to experience the paranormal quicker than going to monotheistic Faiths. Despite it being dangerous, many people became believers through these experiences. Sometimes when a person is trying to summon a good spirit, ancestor, sibling, spouse, or friend, they instead receive many unwanted spirits which is why such practice is discouraged.

Various spirits people summon are
Fairies, werewolves, lucifer, Demons, Ancestors, Decesed friends or Family, Vampires or damned souls, Angels, succubus, deceased witches, grim reaper, vapour monsters, lost sisters, or whatever.

They are summoned through clothing, articles of hair or bone, or relics touched by the person one desires to summon, Carving various things into wax, shedding of one's blood (blood offering), the blood or the animal, or sometimes human sacrifice as was seen with the Aztecs...

...Mirrors, crystal balls, pentegrams, food offerings, blood offerings, combined with lit candles and repetitious chantings that rhyme like “ Spirit show yourself, spirit reveal, spirit come to me so I know you are real! ” (The chanting is supposed to rhyme and have rhythm to please them and better manipulate the Cosmos with it's melody, vibrations, and Desires of the heart of the person piercing into the supernatural.)

I do speak with the dead often, but no longer in those manners as it causes unwanted spirits and emotions and sometimes a dark cloud full of unpleasant thoughts and noises in the head, feeling pale and ill, a loss of energy, and suicidal thoughts.

So, I try to summon these people as it usually works better.

How to summon Jesus:
Accept him as your Lord and savior. Ask him into your heart. Ask to be covered in His precious blood and verbally confess that He died for your sins and Rose from the Dead. Give him your life, soul, mind, heart, and body to do as He wills. Venerate a crucifix or icons. For any ritual involving God or the spirits that serve him, Blessed Holy water, oil, or blessed salt can be good as well. Praying in groups is sometimes more effective as well.

Summon the Father or Holy Spirit:
Pray in Tounges, silence the mind and emotions, sing hymns of praise, desire Him to come into your heart, read Scripture often not like reading a book but rather as a way to commune with God, go to Holy-Spirit revivals, verbally recite and claim Scripture.

Summon Angels:
Just call upon an Archangel, Cherubim, Seraphim, Guardian Angel, or repteatedly ask God to send you Legions of Angels in Jesus name. Here is one common formula:

Azrael is Archangel of the Dead. Michael is Archangel of War. Raphael is Archangel of Healing. Gabriel Patron of Mothers and patron of communication, both with the supernatural and through post offices, emails, and texting.

Summon souls in Purgatory:
Divine Mercy Chaplet, reciting the Lord's prayer, Hail Mary's, Chaplet of the Holy wounds, prayers involving the precious blood, with special mention of for the intentions of the souls in Purgatory. They will reward you.

Summon Saints:
Go to their shrines or tombs. Recite Novenas to them. Write letters to them. Carry Holy cards, chaplets or blessed sacramentals, medals, or relics. Set up blessed Icons or statues of them in your house.

How to Summon Mary:
Now, the correct term isn't summon, because the Christian Theology and tradition is that if God dwells within us, we are connected to Mary and the Saints, who are branches of the true vine that is Christ, and Scripture says "We are one body in Christ".

But we can draw closer to them and give them more authority in our lives and over our enemies. We can deepen our unity and become more in mind heart and will with them through constant invocation.

One way to summon, become one with, or experience Mary is Sacrifice (penance), the practice of chastity, Fasting, Consecration (especially the St. Louis Demontfort Consecration) fervent concentration and desire when praying ( rather than the mind wandering elsewhere or babbling without much attention or fervor) lighting candles or placing flowers at her shrines or before Marian artwork, or almsgiving.

Since Mary is the Spouse of the Holy Spirit and Mother of God, A close relationship with her also more Perfectly unites us to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

But if you're looking for the best formula for summoning Mary, it is the Rosary. If you can sing Marian hymns, your own hymns, or chant the Rosary. ( If you cant sing, just recite the prayers devoutly with Holy Desire and concentration, preferably on consecrated land, a church, a shrine, Nature, or someplace quiet.)

However, since I've not had much experience with voodoo, seances, native American sweat lodges, Ouiji Boards, witchcraft, or other methods that people summon Spirits from a non-christian perspective, if you have had any experience with Spirits (Good or bad) please do share your experience or how you contact the dead. Gratias!

 

[Father Heathen]

Summon both a positive and negative spirit (like a demon and an angel or whatever) trapping them in sigils drawn on the floor, then set up a device that uses their polar energies like a battery.

 

[EtuMalku]

Is there a debate here somewhere?

 

[Spiderman]

Is there a debate here somewhere?

The debate is optional because there may be Christians who condemn that Christians summon spirits and I'd be happy to debate with them.

Also, there may be debate among people as to what is the way to go about it and the dangers.

 

[EtuMalku]

The debate is optional because there may be Christians who condemn that Christians summon spirits and I'd be happy to debate with them.

Also, there may be debate among people as to what is the way to go about it and the dangers.

I'm not Christian, so I won't go there . . .
From my understanding, all demons, devils, angels, djinn, gods, goddesses, etc. are Archetypal images embedded deeply within our unconscious mind, they are brought to the conscious mind through Symbology. The dangers inherent to working with these Archetypal structures is that the 'summoner' risks 'not' turning the poison into a beneficial Elixir and thus becoming consumed by that Archetypal structure.

 

[Spiderman]

I'm not Christian, so I won't go there . . .
From my understanding, all demons, devils, angels, djinn, gods, goddesses, etc. are Archetypal images embedded deeply within our unconscious mind, they are brought to the conscious mind through Symbology. The dangers inherent to working with these Archetypal structures is that the 'summoner' risks 'not' turning the poison into a beneficial Elixir and thus becoming consumed by that Archetypal structure.

Yeah...that is one way to look at it that I have no argument to counter.

The only debate that I'm hoping for is a Christian who wants to tell me that people who summon spirits only summon Demons and unclean Spirits, which is completely false and unbiblical. For the medium, (who didn't even have a relationship with God) was able to summon Samuel, who gave the message to Saul that He'd be joining Him in the world of the dead the next day.

The point being is not only that a good spirit can be summoned, but that he/she can even be summoned by someone who has no relationship with a Monotheistic God.

Christians will argue that the Fae and spirits Witches and pagans work with are always evil. I've also got a fairly good argument for why that isn't true either.

 

[EtuMalku]

Yeah...that is one way to look at it that I have no argument to counter.

The only debate that I'm hoping for is a Christian who wants to tell me that people who summon spirits only summon Demons and unclean Spirits, which is completely false and unbiblical. For the medium, (who didn't even have a relationship with God) was able to summon Samuel, who gave the message to Saul that He'd be joining Him in the world of the dead the next day.

The point being is not only that a good spirit can be summoned, but that he/she can even be summoned by someone who has no relationship with a Monotheistic God.

Christians will argue that the Fae and spirits Witches and pagans work with are always evil. I've also got a fairly good argument for why that isn't true either.

Very true . . . all three of the Abrahamic faiths found it necessary to 'demonize' prior religious deities in order to further their own religious propaganda

 

[Spiderman]

Very true . . . all three of the Abrahamic faiths found it necessary to 'demonize' prior religious deities in order to further their own religious propaganda

Yeah, not to mention Christians condemn magic and lucky Charms, yet used magic and lucky charms in Scripture, only they used it in Jesus name under a different name than "magic" and call it "Grace".

So, magic is okay, as long as the item and ritual used is done in the name of the God of the Bible and the phrase, blessing, anointing, or spell used to produce a miracle or healing is recited in Jesus name.

Then it's all okay, but it is completely identical to magic. It was items, nature, ritual, images, bones, ash, water, dust, spittle, clothing, staff, blessed aprons, oil, incense, and recitation of words that produced healings, exorcisms, raising the dead, and miracles over nature. It completely resembles the practices of a Magician.

 

[rocala]

I do not know if "summoning spirits" is the same as offering to communicate with them?
My childhood doctor left his rather large house to the Spiritualist Church, who attempt communication. They eagerly accepted. The local Congregationalist Church held sessions praying for this to fail. It eventually did on economic grounds. The Spiritualists did well for many years in a smaller property two miles away and were not bothered by these Christians, whose approach seemed to be more 'not in my backyard' than anything deeper.

 

[Onoma]

If you really want to speak good tongues you have to get a few injections of Novocaine

 

[Subhankar Zac]

I was maybe 9-11 years old when I first saw a case of possession.
A devotee near my home of the Vipadnashini (the one who destroys all dangers, an incarnation of Durga) Goddess was chanting some names and them started acting really bizzare.
She was acting all weird and I was really scared.
Still today, sects of Shakti that take part in Tantric rituals do spirit possession and necromancy.

I've never met a Christian who does it though... Mostly it's condemned by them.

Not sure if I believe in them literally. Could be cases of mental balance or genuine possession of something non material.

 

[Quintessence]

So, summoning spirits is dangerous.

Yes. It's as dangerous as getting up and going to work every morning in a typical American city. Which is to say, it isn't dangerous at all if you use common sense and don't behave like an idiot. The dangers of various "occult" practices are often overblown. Often, the dangers are overblown by the same groups of people who consider such works taboo, or want to keep others away from the practices.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I've never seen a case of possession that seems anything more than someone trying to get attention. I believe in the possibility but don't think it happens all that much. All just seems like a bad show most of the time, to me.

I also don't believe in "evil spirits". Angels, demons, etc are just races of beings. How they act is up to them. After all, Satan's an angel and he was able to rebel, so it's not like it's black and white.

 

[Quintessence]

I've never seen a case of possession that seems anything more than someone trying to get attention.

When the word "possession" is used, that does seem to be the case. There are other terms used that describe essentially the same thing that are regular practices of certain religions - communing or channeling the gods and/or spirits is basically the same thing as "possession," and the term invocation used by magicians also describes the same basic thing. Granted, in these cases the "possession" is typically voluntary, but it's the same general idea of something other coming in to oneself.

 

[Erebus]

Yes. It's as dangerous as getting up and going to work every morning in a typical American city. Which is to say, it isn't dangerous at all if you use common sense and don't behave like an idiot. The dangers of various "occult" practices are often overblown. Often, the dangers are overblown by the same groups of people who consider such works taboo, or want to keep others away from the practices.

I get where you're coming from and largely agree ... but I do feel there are some people who probably shouldn't practice magic at all.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting anybody to end up vomiting pea soup and crab-walking down the stairs. However, some people have just the right mind-set to start spotting patterns where there are none and convincing themselves they're in some way cursed. Now that can become a vicious cycle fairly quickly.

 

[EtuMalku]

When the word "possession" is used, that does seem to be the case. There are other terms used that describe essentially the same thing that are regular practices of certain religions - communing or channeling the gods and/or spirits is basically the same thing as "possession," and the term invocation used by magicians also describes the same basic thing. Granted, in these cases the "possession" is typically voluntary, but it's the same general idea of something other coming in to oneself.

Possession is a cultural phenomenon, it is something indoctrinated within and expected of in some Belief structures.
In essence possession is a delusion and/or illusion of the mind.
It can be subjectively very real, but objectively it is nonsense