Supernatural

[Jimmy]

I agree.
the thing is, it is not the similarities that are causing the problems/issues between different beliefs.
It is the differences.

Without religions, there would still be strife in the world unfortunately. Probably even more.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Without religions, there would still be strife in the world unfortunately. Probably even more.

Sorry, that is a feeble excuse as to defending religions. If there are causes of strife we should try to understand the causes and attempt to eliminate any of these - so not ignoring any particular one because it suits us. And the fact is that religious beliefs are still one of the major causes of differences that might enable conflict to flare up.

We can't rerun history so we will never know, but religions have probably caused as much harm as they seemingly have prevented, and are still doing so. The existence of religions might even bring about the end of our species, given that some do believe in the ultimate truth of their religious beliefs and will do whatever necessary to make sure their beliefs eventually prevail. One here openly says this.

 

[1213]

When I think of something that’s supernatural in the natural world the only thing I can think of is infinite space....

I think better example of supernatural is life itself. You can give all the parts of a cell to scientists and they still can't make it living, if it has died. And they can't make life to appear from non organic dead material, which should be possible, if nature has the ability to produce life on its own.

 

[blü 2]

When I think of something that’s supernatural in the natural world the only thing I can think of is infinite space. It’s the only thing that even comes close to being supernatural. So am I supposed to believe that this is the only supernatural thing in existence? I think not. As you may know, I believe that all of existence falls and rises with the death and birth of one individual on earth and repeats itself in an infinite cycle. This person is the second thing that is supernatural in the natural world imo. Only one supernatural thing seems a bit off, don’t you think? Infinite space is unruly and needs an anchor. It needs this human being for order and self-awareness imo.

I'd say that the only manner in which the supernatural is known to exist, along with all its realms, beings, magic and so on, is as a set of concepts, notions, things imagined in an individual brain.

If they were real, they could be found in objective reality, the world external to the self, which we know about via our senses. But they're not.

 

[McBell]

Without religions, there would still be strife in the world unfortunately. Probably even more.

And?
religion is merely one of the many excuses people use to justify being donkey holes to one another.

 

[Jimmy]

Sorry, that is a feeble excuse as to defending religions. If there are causes of strife we should try to understand the causes and attempt to eliminate any of these - so not ignoring any particular one because it suits us. And the fact is that religious beliefs are still one of the major causes of differences that might enable conflict to flare up.

We can't rerun history so we will never know, but religions have probably caused as much harm as they seemingly have prevented, and are still doing so. The existence of religions might even bring about the end of our species, given that some do believe in the ultimate truth of their religious beliefs and will do whatever necessary to make sure their beliefs eventually prevail. One here openly says this.

No doubt religions are excuses for war. I’m just pointing out an obvious.

 

[Jimmy]

I'd say that the only manner in which the supernatural is known to exist, along with all its realms, beings, magic and so on, is as a set of concepts, notions, things imagined in an individual brain.

If they were real, they could be found in objective reality, the world external to the self, which we know about via our senses. But they're not.

Hard core science. I love it.

 

[shunyadragon]

I think the words infinite space mean exactly that.

Then in terms of science it is meaningless.

I believe the nature of our physical existence is infinite. I think infinite space is supernatural. I also believe the beginning and end of our universe coincide with one humans birth and death. It’s totally cool if you disagree.

The nature of the space in our universe is objectively described by science by direct observation, including space craft that have journeyed outside our solar system. How is "space" defined as supernatural when it is objectively described and defined by science. What is observed is space is not empty or absolute nothing. Space is a very active place of atomic particle based on Quantum Mechanics.

Belief in an infinite universe is best described as potentially infinite:

Potential Infinite v. Actual Infinite | Aristotle

sites.middlebury.edu

The potential infinite is a group of numbers or group of “things” that continues without terminating, going on or repeating itself over and over again with no recognizable ending point.

 

[shunyadragon]

Hard core science. I love it.

You still do not know the difference between the natural and supernatural, as defined in the English language.

Loving science does not equate to knowledge of science. In your previous posts and this thread you do not accept science as science out side your religious agenda concerning the sciences of evolution and cosmology. Your view is very confusing.

 

[shunyadragon]

No doubt religions are excuses for war. I’m just pointing out an obvious.

So far you have not pointed anything that is obvious,

 

[shunyadragon]

Like I said in my opening statement, infinite space is unruly and needs an anchor. It needs this human being for order and self-awareness. Furthermore, I sense that earth is the only planet in existence with life.

Space is very orderly and well defined by direct objective observation.

 

[Jimmy]

Space is very orderly and well defined by direct objective observation.

Cool, I didn’t realize we were able to observe infinite space.

 

[shunyadragon]

Cool, I didn’t know we were able to observe infinite space.

They are able to observe what you call "space."

Outer Space

Outer space, or simply space, is the expanse that exists beyond the Earth and between celestial bodies. Outer space is not completely empty—it is a hard ...

encyclopedia.pub

Outer space, or simply space, is the expanse that exists beyond the Earth and between celestial bodies. Outer space is not completely empty—it is a hard vacuum containing a low density of particles, predominantly a plasma of hydrogen and helium, as well as electromagnetic radiation, magnetic fields, neutrinos, dust, and cosmic rays. The baseline temperature of outer space, as set by the background radiation from the Big Bang, is 2.7 kelvins (−270.45 °C; −454.81 °F). The plasma between galaxies accounts for about half of the baryonic (ordinary) matter in the universe; it has a number density of less than one hydrogen atom per cubic metre and a temperature of millions of kelvins.

 

[Jimmy]

They are able to observe what you call "space."

Outer Space

Outer space, or simply space, is the expanse that exists beyond the Earth and between celestial bodies. Outer space is not completely empty—it is a hard ...

encyclopedia.pub

Outer space, or simply space, is the expanse that exists beyond the Earth and between celestial bodies. Outer space is not completely empty—it is a hard vacuum containing a low density of particles, predominantly a plasma of hydrogen and helium, as well as electromagnetic radiation, magnetic fields, neutrinos, dust, and cosmic rays. The baseline temperature of outer space, as set by the background radiation from the Big Bang, is 2.7 kelvins (−270.45 °C; −454.81 °F). The plasma between galaxies accounts for about half of the baryonic (ordinary) matter in the universe; it has a number density of less than one hydrogen atom per cubic metre and a temperature of millions of kelvins.

Why did you delete what you wrote. You originally wrote They are able to observe what you call "space." We cannot observe infinity.

Cannot observe infinite space. That’s what makes it supernatural.

 

[Jimmy]

I'd say that the only manner in which the supernatural is known to exist, along with all its realms, beings, magic and so on, is as a set of concepts, notions, things imagined in an individual brain.

If they were real, they could be found in objective reality, the world external to the self, which we know about via our senses. But they're not.

I respect your a hard core science buff

 

[Jimmy]

I think better example of supernatural is life itself. You can give all the parts of a cell to scientists and they still can't make it living, if it has died. And they can't make life to appear from non organic dead material, which should be possible, if nature has the ability to produce life on its own.

Indeed life is awesome but infinite space and the man who holds existence in his soul take the cake imo.

 

[Jimmy]

How do you know what the limits of nature are, though? What we understand about nature as a species is extremely limited. Just because we don't hold all the answers right now for why certain things are the way they are doesn't mean anything beyond our limited knowledge is automatically "supernatural," it just means we are ignorant to how they work within the natural world and can discover them at a future date

Take lightning, for instance. At one time certain humans believed lightning bolts were supernatural spears thrown by Zeus. Now we know better and have been able to identify them as natural phenomenon

All that said, as far as I'm aware space is very big but it isn't necessarily infinite; especially if the Big bang is true. There's nothing that indicates that space is infinite

Isn’t necessarily infinite? Does it end with a brick wall? The big brick theory?

 

[Soandso]

Isn’t necessarily infinite? Does it end with a brick wall? The big brick theory?

If the Big Bang creates the universe where it then expands outwards constantly, there has to be a point where the universe exists as it expands and an area outside of the universe that it expands to. No brick walls needed

 

[Jimmy]

If the Big Bang creates the universe where it then expands outwards constantly, there has to be a point where the universe exists as it expands and an area outside of the universe that it expands to. No brick walls needed

Yeah, that area outside of the universe is infinite

 

[Soandso]

Yeah, that area outside of the universe is infinite

Is it? Could just be literal nothingness. We don't really know as far as I'm aware

Even then, space is part of the universe, and the universe can't be infinite if the Big Bang is true