Suppose evolution was refuted, then what?

[outhouse]

Of course, it is not true that all the scientists who disagree with the ToE are not in the science fields where this theory is generally accepted. But you knew that, didn't you? These are men who have examined the facts instead of drinking the ToE kool-aid, and are courageous enough to publicly make known their conclusions.

No you have theist that are so sure the biblical text are right that they WILL NOT accept modern science and its findings.

Evolution is not koolaid and its here to stay forever as it is the only working model of life on this planet

Evolution is taught in every major university around the world as higher learning WHILE your creationion myth is outlawed from poisoning our childrens minds so we wont have people ANYMORE spreading theistic misinformation and lies regard the creation myth.

 

[outhouse]

Many scientists disagree with the claim that the ToE is a fact. You know this. So who is being the hypocrite?

NO

not many at all. ONLY religious people that are brainwahsed and wont let go of their theology are the only REAL people fighting evolution.

SAD fact is they dont have a working model to replace it with. They only have a book that has been proven to not be accurate in history or science regarding these issues.

 

[johnhanks]

So am I to understand these companies manufacture the enzymes, RNA, and proteins, creating them from the raw chemical components of which DNA is made?
Then forming the DNA with all it's replication and transcription abilities?
I think not. But if you have convincing proof, do tell.

Goalpost-moving again? In the post to which I originally replied you wrote

... the complexity of DNA is so great no human scientist has yet been able to 'make' DNA, nor is it likely they ever will.

You've been called on this.
But yes, the synthetic DNA has 'all it's replication and transcription abilities'. It wouldn't be much use otherwise, would it?

 

[shawn001]

rusra02

Lets go back and start with the big bang. It wasn't an explosion. IT is also observable and testable to look into the past in Cosmology and Astronomy, back to the 13.7 billion years. The universe evolved and so did we based on the billions of facts we can observe test and measure.

This light in microwave has traveled 13.7 billion years to reach us. If you could see in microwave light the entire universe would look like this, everywhere you looked.

It is also before stars and galaxies formed. Its like a temperture map and the hot spots are where stars and galaxies later formed.

A scientific theory is not a guess or hypothesis like creationism.

A scientific theory is built on facts that support the theory. It the case of the big bang and evolution, they are the two strongest theories in all the sciences and have billions if not trillions of facts that support them FROM ALL the sciences.

Now tell me if stars hadn't evolved where the gold and iron and calium and the carbon your actually made from came from to make the solar system and us. Hint, the word is called nucleosynthesis, you might want to learn that word.

 

[shawn001]

We have actual pictures of the light of the big bang 13.7 billion years ago before stars existed or galaxies.

Yes, the Bible agrees that "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

There is overwelming evidence everything has evolved from that point on.

Saying it doesn't make it so.

We know how stars are born now and see thgem everyday being born, we know how the earth and solar system formed. By stellar and planetary accreation.

This is a theory but doesn't disprove creation.

We know there have been five mass extintion events on earth and life has evolved back.

Saying it doesn't make it so.

These aren't quesses they are facts. Billions of facts support evolution.


rusra02


Its not saying it makes it so. You don't seem to understand science or this debate at all, because you don't have the facts to begin with or the knowledge on these subjects. You also ignored above the post you posted here, some of those billions of facts to begin with that prove evolution.

Is plate tectonics true for example?

Now show me ONE fact that proves we didn't evolve?

 

[shawn001]

Building Blocks of DNA Found in Meteorites From Space

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[McBell]

And I believe that is exactly what ToE advocates have done concerning their theory.

Look up the term "transference".
Seems it applies to you.

 

[Photonic]

And I believe that is exactly what ToE advocates have done concerning their theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_error

 

[Agnostic75]

To believe in Evolution, one must deny what the Bible teaches about God, his purposes, about Jesus Christ and his ransom sacrifice, and the hope of everlasting life.

That is false. Millions of Christians are theistic evolutionists.

Evolution only addresses what happened after life began, not how life began.

Do you believe that a global flood occurred, and that the earth is young?

 

[Photonic]

That is false. Millions of Christians are theistic evolutionists.

Evolution only addresses what happened after life began, not how life began.

Do you believe that a global flood occurred, and that the earth is young?

This is Rusra we are talking about. Expelled is his sole source of information.

 

[painted wolf]

Rusra is the perfect example of the "science doesn't matter one jot" biblical literalist I was talking about earlier.
Any "science" mentioned is simply "icing" and not really of any importance to the big picture... which is "the bible says so".

wa:do

 

[Photonic]

Rusra is the perfect example of the "science doesn't matter one jot" biblical literalist I was talking about earlier.
Any "science" mentioned is simply "icing" and not really of any importance to the big picture... which is "the bible says so".

wa:do

Oh but he's more than happy to use science to support his conclusions, even if he has to twist it until it breaks.

 

[painted wolf]

Oh but he's more than happy to use science to support his conclusions, even if he has to twist it until it breaks.

LoL....Ah yes "science"... who cares if when he's done with it it's just some high fructose corn syrup squeegeed onto the cake... it's frosting!

wa:do

 

[rusra02]

Goalpost-moving again? In the post to which I originally replied you wrote
You've been called on this.
But yes, the synthetic DNA has 'all it's replication and transcription abilities'. It wouldn't be much use otherwise, would it?

I take it, then, they didn't create the raw components of DNA and then form DNA from these components? They simply took existing DNA and modified it?

 

[rusra02]

We have actual pictures of the light of the big bang 13.7 billion years ago before stars existed or galaxies.

Yes, the Bible agrees that "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." (Genesis 1:1)

There is overwelming evidence everything has evolved from that point on.

Saying it doesn't make it so.

We know how stars are born now and see thgem everyday being born, we know how the earth and solar system formed. By stellar and planetary accreation.

This is a theory but doesn't disprove creation.

We know there have been five mass extintion events on earth and life has evolved back.

Saying it doesn't make it so.

These aren't quesses they are facts. Billions of facts support evolution.


rusra02


Its not saying it makes it so. You don't seem to understand science or this debate at all, because you don't have the facts to begin with or the knowledge on these subjects. You also ignored above the post you posted here, some of those billions of facts to begin with that prove evolution.

Is plate tectonics true for example?

Now show me ONE fact that proves we didn't evolve?

The "big bang" theory doesn't prove or disprove anything. I don't understand why you discussed this.
Show you a fact that proves we didn't evolve? Prove the negative? Show me one fact that proves we were not created.

 

[rusra02]

That is false. Millions of Christians are theistic evolutionists.

Evolution only addresses what happened after life began, not how life began.
Copout alert! A theory without a foundation cannot stand. Trying to divorce evolution from how life began is a convenient way to avoid a question the ToE has no answer for.

Do you believe that a global flood occurred, and that the earth is young?

Yes and No.

I guess it depends on your definition of what a "Christian" is. Millions claim to be followers of Christ but are nothing of the sort. Christ said that would be the case.
Luke 6:46-49 records Jesus saying:"Why, then, do you call me 'Lord! Lord!" but do not do the things I say."
Professed Christians are responsible for oceans of blood being shed in war, among other things. Mere profession of "Christianity" means nothing.

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[rusra02]

This is Rusra we are talking about. Expelled is his sole source of information.

Your condescending attitude is typical of ToE proponents.

 

[rusra02]

Rusra is the perfect example of the "science doesn't matter one jot" biblical literalist I was talking about earlier.
Any "science" mentioned is simply "icing" and not really of any importance to the big picture... which is "the bible says so".

wa:do

No, I advocate that true science does support what the Bible teaches. It is the evolutionists that are ignoring evidence that doesn't support their world view, and persecuting anyone who dares raise these inconvenient truths.

 

[cottage]

And who is the miner? No maserati nor even a hubcap come about without a maker, a designer. DNA blows away anything built by men as to complexity and functionality.
As Hebrews 3:4 states with devastating logic: "Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but he that constructed all things is God." (underline added)

You might want to re-think what you presume to be 'devastating logic'!

The argument in its correct form is this:

If every house is constructed then it is constructed by someone

Every house is constructed and therefore someone constructs it.


This is what you are saying:

If every house is constructed then it is constructed by someone

Every house is constructed and therefore God constructs it.


You are using this fallacy to argue God is the cause of all things:


If God exists then God constructs all things.

Things exist therefore God constructs all of them.

And that is affirming the consequent, as another poster has already correctly pointed out.

 

[Agnostic75]

Message to rusra02: If a God exists, he can use evolution if he wants to. So, the issue is not whether or not a God is able to use evolution, but whether he has used evolution.

What about the glood flood theory, and the young earth theory? Science does not support those claims.