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Suppose today, God sends a Savior

InvestigateTruth

Veteran Member
There are many countries that their people are going through difficult times now. Either war, poverty or tyranny.

Regardless if these people believe in God or Not, surely they wish, someone saves them from these oppression, difficulties, poverty or tyranny.
By Savior I mean someone who comes and solves their problems, so, They may have a comfortable, and fair and happy life.

This is what they wish for, if they are under difficult and terrible times!

Now, assume, there is God. The God wants to choose the best person among them, someone who is the kindest, the wisest. A trustworthy person who can be His Messenger, so, He can show them the right way of life, and solve their problems practically, so their poverty may turn to prosperity, and their injustice may turn to justice, and their wars may turn to peace.

So, this Person comes and announces to them, that God has chosen Him for this purpose.

How would different people respond to Him?

Some of them, don't even bother, because they don't believe in God or Messengers.
Some others say, we already have a religion, and we know you are a liar, and want to trick us.
Some others, come and say, we don't believe you, unless you show us miracles. Split the moon, as our messenger did before if you are truly a Messenger of God.
Others say, we already have an awaited Savior who will come at the End Time and takes us to Heaven, and we know you are a liar. But if you can resurrect our forefathers that we may see your miracles, that would be good. (Knowing He won't, and by this they just want to find excuse for rejection).

He says, my job is not to show you miracles, but I have some good teachings and guidance, that if you just listen and try, all your problems will be solved, and you will live in peace and happiness.

They say, well, we can write a book too, even better than what you can write. In fact we already have many books that we believe in them.

Of course, a minority believe Him, and follow, but when the Leaders of the country sees this, they think this new person and his followers are a threat to their authority and power, and start plotting against this group, so they may be destroyed.


Now isn't this, a true story of humanity?
Read Surrah of Hud, in Quran. Isn't this story what this Surrah is all about?
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
There are many countries that their people are going through difficult times now. Either war, poverty or tyranny.

Regardless if these people believe in God or Not, surely they wish, someone saves them from these oppression, difficulties, poverty or tyranny.
By Savior I mean someone who comes and solves their problems, so, They may have a comfortable, and fair and happy life.

This is what they wish for, if they are under difficult and terrible times!

Now, assume, there is God. The God wants to choose the best person among them, someone who is the kindest, the wisest. A trustworthy person who can be His Messenger, so, He can show them the right way of life, and solve their problems practically, so their poverty may turn to prosperity, and their injustice may turn to justice, and their wars may turn to peace.

So, this Person comes and announces to them, that God has chosen Him for this purpose.

How would different people respond to Him?

Some of them, don't even bother, because they don't believe in God or Messengers.
Some others say, we already have a religion, and we know you are a liar, and want to trick us.
Some others, come and say, we don't believe you, unless you show us miracles. Split the moon, as our messenger did before if you are truly a Messenger of God.
Others say, we already have an awaited Savior who will come at the End Time and takes us to Heaven, and we know you are a liar. But if you can resurrect our forefathers that we may see your miracles, that would be good. (Knowing He won't, and by this they just want to find excuse for rejection).

He says, my job is not to show you miracles, but I have some good teachings and guidance, that if you just listen and try, all your problems will be solved, and you will live in peace and happiness.

They say, well, we can write a book too, even better than what you can write. In fact we already have many books that we believe in them.

Of course, a minority believe Him, and follow, but when the Leaders of the country sees this, they think this new person and his followers are a threat to their authority and power, and start plotting against this group, so they may be destroyed.


Now isn't this, a true story of humanity?
Read Surrah of Hud, in Quran. Isn't this story what this Surrah is all about?

You assume the Messenger is a "him." Why?
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Suppose, today, that an asteroid wipes out this little blue planet. Suppose, today, that a democracy decides to rid itself of all minority religions by majority rule. Suppose, today, that God decides to switch all sexual orientations around so that heterosexual homophobes are homosexuals and homosexuals suddenly become straighter than Cupid's arrow.

Moral of the story: making up silly hypothetical scenarios, and then debating them as if they were real is false logic, and needn't be entertained.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
To me the ' true story of humanity ' is paradise (Eden) lost to paradise on Earth being regained - Revelation 22:2
As verse 2 mentions there will be ' healing ' for earth's nations.
God's Messenger (Messiah) is the soon-coming Victor found at Isaiah 11:3-4; Rev. 19:14-15
The ' sword-like executional words from Jesus' mouth ' will rid the Earth of the wicked.
Then, just as Jesus' promised, humble meek people will inherit the Earth at Matt. 5:5 from Psalm 37:9-11,38
A beautiful paradisical Earth as described in Isaiah 35th chapter, and mentioned at SURAH XXXIX: 73
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
There are many countries that their people are going through difficult times now. Either war, poverty or tyranny.

Regardless if these people believe in God or Not, surely they wish, someone saves them from these oppression, difficulties, poverty or tyranny.
By Savior I mean someone who comes and solves their problems, so, They may have a comfortable, and fair and happy life.

This is what they wish for, if they are under difficult and terrible times!

Now, assume, there is God. The God wants to choose the best person among them, someone who is the kindest, the wisest. A trustworthy person who can be His Messenger, so, He can show them the right way of life, and solve their problems practically, so their poverty may turn to prosperity, and their injustice may turn to justice, and their wars may turn to peace.

So, this Person comes and announces to them, that God has chosen Him for this purpose.

How would different people respond to Him?

Some of them, don't even bother, because they don't believe in God or Messengers.
Some others say, we already have a religion, and we know you are a liar, and want to trick us.
Some others, come and say, we don't believe you, unless you show us miracles. Split the moon, as our messenger did before if you are truly a Messenger of God.
Others say, we already have an awaited Savior who will come at the End Time and takes us to Heaven, and we know you are a liar. But if you can resurrect our forefathers that we may see your miracles, that would be good. (Knowing He won't, and by this they just want to find excuse for rejection).

He says, my job is not to show you miracles, but I have some good teachings and guidance, that if you just listen and try, all your problems will be solved, and you will live in peace and happiness.

They say, well, we can write a book too, even better than what you can write. In fact we already have many books that we believe in them.

Of course, a minority believe Him, and follow, but when the Leaders of the country sees this, they think this new person and his followers are a threat to their authority and power, and start plotting against this group, so they may be destroyed.


Now isn't this, a true story of humanity?
Read Surrah of Hud, in Quran. Isn't this story what this Surrah is all about?
I have yet to see a messiah who can actually run something well.
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
There are many countries that their people are going through difficult times now. Either war, poverty or tyranny.

Regardless if these people believe in God or Not, surely they wish, someone saves them from these oppression, difficulties, poverty or tyranny.
By Savior I mean someone who comes and solves their problems, so, They may have a comfortable, and fair and happy life.

This is what they wish for, if they are under difficult and terrible times!

Now, assume, there is God. The God wants to choose the best person among them, someone who is the kindest, the wisest. A trustworthy person who can be His Messenger, so, He can show them the right way of life, and solve their problems practically, so their poverty may turn to prosperity, and their injustice may turn to justice, and their wars may turn to peace.

So, this Person comes and announces to them, that God has chosen Him for this purpose.

How would different people respond to Him?

Some of them, don't even bother, because they don't believe in God or Messengers.
Some others say, we already have a religion, and we know you are a liar, and want to trick us.
Some others, come and say, we don't believe you, unless you show us miracles. Split the moon, as our messenger did before if you are truly a Messenger of God.
Others say, we already have an awaited Savior who will come at the End Time and takes us to Heaven, and we know you are a liar. But if you can resurrect our forefathers that we may see your miracles, that would be good. (Knowing He won't, and by this they just want to find excuse for rejection).

He says, my job is not to show you miracles, but I have some good teachings and guidance, that if you just listen and try, all your problems will be solved, and you will live in peace and happiness.

They say, well, we can write a book too, even better than what you can write. In fact we already have many books that we believe in them.

Of course, a minority believe Him, and follow, but when the Leaders of the country sees this, they think this new person and his followers are a threat to their authority and power, and start plotting against this group, so they may be destroyed.


Now isn't this, a true story of humanity?
Read Surrah of Hud, in Quran. Isn't this story what this Surrah is all about?
This is already how it exactly is. There’s plenty of information out there on how to lead a happy fulfilling life, it is up to the individual to go down that rabbit hole and apply those philosophies, that work for them, to their own life. Rather, many people mindlessly waste their life away to hate and anger at the world and never try to overcome what is burdening them.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Not only that, but it is a true story of what happened when God sent the latest Messenger. :(
To me, God's latest Messenger is Messiah Jesus who forewarned us about what would be happening in our time frame at Luke 21:11.
That before there is divine involvement into mankind's affairs there would be: Great earthquakes, and one place after another food shortages and pestilences besides fearful sights and from heaven great signs.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
The God wants to choose the best person among them, someone who is the kindest, the wisest. A trustworthy person who can be His Messenger, so, He can show them the right way of life, and solve their problems practically, so their poverty may turn to prosperity, and their injustice may turn to justice, and their wars may turn to peace.
"The God" didn't tell the messenger how to convince the world?
 

danieldemol

Veteran Member
Premium Member
There are many countries that their people are going through difficult times now. Either war, poverty or tyranny.

Regardless if these people believe in God or Not, surely they wish, someone saves them from these oppression, difficulties, poverty or tyranny.
By Savior I mean someone who comes and solves their problems, so, They may have a comfortable, and fair and happy life.

This is what they wish for, if they are under difficult and terrible times!

Now, assume, there is God. The God wants to choose the best person among them, someone who is the kindest, the wisest. A trustworthy person who can be His Messenger, so, He can show them the right way of life, and solve their problems practically, so their poverty may turn to prosperity, and their injustice may turn to justice, and their wars may turn to peace.

So, this Person comes and announces to them, that God has chosen Him for this purpose.

How would different people respond to Him?

Some of them, don't even bother, because they don't believe in God or Messengers.
Some others say, we already have a religion, and we know you are a liar, and want to trick us.
Some others, come and say, we don't believe you, unless you show us miracles. Split the moon, as our messenger did before if you are truly a Messenger of God.
Others say, we already have an awaited Savior who will come at the End Time and takes us to Heaven, and we know you are a liar. But if you can resurrect our forefathers that we may see your miracles, that would be good. (Knowing He won't, and by this they just want to find excuse for rejection).

He says, my job is not to show you miracles, but I have some good teachings and guidance, that if you just listen and try, all your problems will be solved, and you will live in peace and happiness.

They say, well, we can write a book too, even better than what you can write. In fact we already have many books that we believe in them.

Of course, a minority believe Him, and follow, but when the Leaders of the country sees this, they think this new person and his followers are a threat to their authority and power, and start plotting against this group, so they may be destroyed.


Now isn't this, a true story of humanity?...
No, for starters this story doesn't cover those who actually bothered trying the remedies offered by the so called "Messenger" and found them sorely lacking.

I believe peace and prosperity for all are promises Baha'u'llah is simply unable to deliver on.

In my opinion.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
That's been a dismal failure. Is this the best the divine forces can do?

Messengers are so unreliable that it's more believable that it is flawed humans claiming to be influenced by divinity.
The Messengers reliably provide what humans need and they never fail. It is the humans who fail to recognize the Messengers and follow their instructions.
 
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