Suppression of Free Speech on Covid

[Magic Man]

Many people wore their masks wrong. I know because I noticed these things. A big percentage of them. At least 30 percent.

Yeah, you personally trying to gather this data by "noticing" isn't helpful. Your guess is useless. For something like this, you'd need actual data collected in a trustworthy way.

Oh, and mass demonstrations being outdoors doesn't make a big difference when we're talking about such close proximity, remember?

Being outside always makes a difference. It doesn't completely negate the problem, but it helps.

 

[Kathryn]

OK so here's what we were told about COVID:

1) It doesn't matter whether or not you have symptoms, you can carry the virus without having any symptoms, and you can spread it without having any symptoms.
So, symptoms or no symptoms, you could still be a carrier of COVID. Lord have mercy. Do you see why some people were confused? At least can you admit that?

2) We can't have school anymore. OK, we can have school, but everyone has to wear a mask. OK we can have school. OK, no church. OK, you can go to church but you have to sit apart from other parishioners. OK, you can go to church but you have to wear a mask and you need to sit apart from other parishioners. OK, you can go to church. OK, no flying. OK, you can fly but you have to test negative for COVID and you have to wear a mask the entire time. OK, you must be vaccinated in order to shop for clothes. OK, no you don't. Which is it?

 

[Kathryn]

If you're going to continue talking about, regardless of why, at least stop saying how sick and tired of it you are. Either stop posting, or stop complaining about that.

I'm going to stop posting, because I am sick and tired of it all.

 

[Magic Man]

OK so here's what we were told about COVID:

1) It doesn't matter whether or not you have symptoms, you can carry the virus without having any symptoms, and you can spread it without having any symptoms.
So, symptoms or no symptoms, you could still be a carrier of COVID. Lord have mercy. Do you see why some people were confused? At least can you admit that?

I'm not sure what you think is confusing about that. That's pretty common knowledge about diseases. You can carry and spread it even if you don't have symptoms. I mean, the way you phrased it was a little confusing, but that's because you were attempting to make it so.

2) We can't have school anymore. OK, we can have school, but everyone has to wear a mask. OK we can have school. OK, no church. OK, you can go to church but you have to sit apart from other parishioners. OK, you can go to church but you have to wear a mask and you need to sit apart from other parishioners. OK, you can go to church. OK, no flying. OK, you can fly but you have to test negative for COVID and you have to wear a mask the entire time. OK, you must be vaccinated in order to shop for clothes. OK, no you don't. Which is it?

1) Most of that wasn't actually what was said.

2) To answer your question, it wasn't any one of them individually. It was a worldwide pandemic that hit suddenly. Everyone had to react as quickly as they could and try to figure out the best practices. We didn't know much about it at the beginning. Information and recommendations changed over time as we learned more. I'm sorry they didn't automatically and immediately know everything and have exact recommendations that would never change, but that's not how this works.

3) The main thing was to cease close contact. That meant closing schools, workplaces and most stores. The other main thing was to wear a mask to lessen the risk when you were around others. Those are pretty clear and basic things.

You're trying to make it more complicated than it was. Yes, they closed schools at the start. Then when they opened again, they required masks, as they did at all public places. Churches were closed along with all other public places (that weren't necessary like grocery stores and hospitals). And yes, when places opened back up, they took precautions like wearing masks and keeping your distance.

4) "Having to be vaccinated to shop for clothes" wasn't a thing. Some business required masks. Some things like concert venues required proof of vaccination. That was all up to the businesses, and there were no clothes stores checking your vaccination card (although, if they did, it's their right as a private business).

 

[Magic Man]

I'm going to stop posting, because I am sick and tired of it all.

We'll see, I guess.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Interesting that no one has responded to my post about the fact that churches were shut down but mass demonstrations weren't.

Don't you read the responses addressed to you?

And what would you like to discuss about that? That you consider that unfair? Dangerous?

mass demonstrations being outdoors doesn't make a big difference when we're talking about such close proximity

I don't know what constitutes a big difference to you - you didn't think much of 7 million deaths globally or 1 million in the States - but being outdoors does make a difference as has already been explained to you.

Do you understand the concept of multiple risk factors, the more of which are present, the more likely the harm? Think of the risk factors for a car accident - nighttime, alcohol, speeding, fog, sleepiness, etc. If none of those apply, you are unlikely to have an accident. As you add more and more of these, the risk goes up. But at no point is the safer situation risk-free nor is it certain that a sleepy, drunken speeder whose windshield is dirty will have an accident.

It's the same with Covid. Risk goes up with the addition of each risk factor. Unmasked? Your risks are higher than with masks. Shake hands? More risk. Also don't wash your hands? Risk just went up more. Close proximity to others? A bit more. In a crowd? Again. Are you indoors? Again.

It doesn't matter whether or not you have symptoms, you can carry the virus without having any symptoms, and you can spread it without having any symptoms.
So, symptoms or no symptoms, you could still be a carrier of COVID. Lord have mercy. Do you see why some people were confused?

Was that confusing to you or were you referring to others? It's a basic concept in infectious disease called a carrier state. We're all asymptomatic yet contagious in the earliest part of a respiratory infection. Most go on to manifest symptom and then clear the virus from the bloodstream (but not necessarily the tissues), but some do that without ever developing symptoms.

Typhoid Mary was a notorious example of a persistent carrier state.

 

[Revoltingest]

Many people wore their masks wrong. I know because I noticed these things. A big percentage of them. At least 30 percent. Oh, and mass demonstrations being outdoors doesn't make a big difference when we're talking about such close proximity, remember?

Now that I have a full beard,
I'm glad that masks are no
longer useful to me.

 

[Argentbear]

OK so here's what we were told about COVID:

1) It doesn't matter whether or not you have symptoms, you can carry the virus without having any symptoms, and you can spread it without having any symptoms.
So, symptoms or no symptoms, you could still be a carrier of COVID. Lord have mercy. Do you see why some people were confused? At least can you admit that?

Most diseases, epically in the early infection stage, are asymptomatic and infectious. Typhoid, HIV, Tuberculous, Malaria, Polio, Measles, Ebola, Influenza. This is not a new concept.

2) We can't have school anymore. OK, we can have school, but everyone has to wear a mask. OK we can have school. OK, no church. OK, you can go to church but you have to sit apart from other parishioners. OK, you can go to church but you have to wear a mask and you need to sit apart from other parishioners. OK, you can go to church. OK, no flying. OK, you can fly but you have to test negative for COVID and you have to wear a mask the entire time. OK, you must be vaccinated in order to shop for clothes. OK, no you don't. Which is it?

It must have been overwhelming for you to keep up with the gradual lifting of pandemic restrictions over the course of a year.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Compulsion?

Yep. I'm working on it in therapy.

I thought of mentioning that too.
Rational full investigation is out of the question.

Why did I think it would work this time? Why?

It feels so good to stop, eh.

Sooooooo good.

 

[SkepticThinker]

OK so here's what we were told about COVID:

1) It doesn't matter whether or not you have symptoms, you can carry the virus without having any symptoms, and you can spread it without having any symptoms.
So, symptoms or no symptoms, you could still be a carrier of COVID. Lord have mercy. Do you see why some people were confused? At least can you admit that?

I don't find it confusing at all. You know you can pass a cold onto someone before you've even experienced the symptoms of the cold?
This isn't a new thing.

2) We can't have school anymore. OK, we can have school, but everyone has to wear a mask. OK we can have school. OK, no church. OK, you can go to church but you have to sit apart from other parishioners. OK, you can go to church but you have to wear a mask and you need to sit apart from other parishioners. OK, you can go to church. OK, no flying. OK, you can fly but you have to test negative for COVID and you have to wear a mask the entire time. OK, you must be vaccinated in order to shop for clothes. OK, no you don't. Which is it?

This is what's called doing science in real time. Things change as we learn new information. That's a GOOD thing. This pandemic was brand new to us. It took us a while to learn everything we needed to know about it and we had to learn in real time, as we went along.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yep. I'm working on it in therapy.

Why did I think it would work this time? Why?

Sooooooo good.

On occasion, I've found some people amenable
to reasoned discourse. But with other people,
it fails time after time. Then I stop wasting that
time with them.

 

[SkepticThinker]

On occasion, I've found some people amenable
to reasoned discourse. But with other people,
it fails time after time. Then I stop wasting that
time with them.

I swear, it has happened to me before. And on Facebook of all places.
My brain is probably subconsciously clinging to that one time! LOL

 

[Ebionite]

Increased Psychiatric Disorders Following COVID Jab: Nature's 'Molecular Psychiatry' Journal

Study confirms COVID shot "significantly increas[es] the risks for depression, anxiety, dissociative, stress-related, and somatoform disorders, and sleep disorders."

jonfleetwood.substack.com

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[Kathryn]

Increased Psychiatric Disorders Following COVID Jab: Nature's 'Molecular Psychiatry' Journal

Study confirms COVID shot "significantly increas[es] the risks for depression, anxiety, dissociative, stress-related, and somatoform disorders, and sleep disorders."

jonfleetwood.substack.com

Oh Lordy, so that's what's wrong with me. And here I thought it just had to do with my husband dying during COVID (not from COVID, though) and me moving out of state and injuring myself.

 

[Ebionite]

Oh Lordy, so that's what's wrong with me. And here I thought it just had to do with my husband dying during COVID (not from COVID, though) and me moving out of state and injuring myself.

They are all indirect causes. Signs of the times.

 

[Pogo]

OK so here's what we were told about COVID:

1) It doesn't matter whether or not you have symptoms, you can carry the virus without having any symptoms, and you can spread it without having any symptoms.

True and true of many infectious diseases as you should know already as in even in symptomatic cases transmission can occur before symptoms become evident.

So, symptoms or no symptoms, you could still be a carrier of COVID. Lord have mercy. Do you see why some people were confused? At least can you admit that?

Why, it is true and the reason not to assume that just because somebody is not coughing you don't have to worry, hence the reason for distance and masking.

2) We can't have school anymore. OK, we can have school, but everyone has to wear a mask. OK we can have school. OK, no church. OK, you can go to church but you have to sit apart from other parishioners. OK, you can go to church but you have to wear a mask and you need to sit apart from other parishioners. OK, you can go to church. OK, no flying. OK, you can fly but you have to test negative for COVID and you have to wear a mask the entire time. OK, you must be vaccinated in order to shop for clothes. OK, no you don't. Which is it?

two things here, this was an unknown contagion so maximal measures were appropriate until more was known. Different jurisdictions got to set their own rules. As to flying, testing was for international flights only.

This all makes sense if you learn a little about airborne transmission of viruses and why if you have flu symptoms you should stay away from others.
And get vaccinated especially when you are older.

 

[Pogo]

Oh Lordy, so that's what's wrong with me. And here I thought it just had to do with my husband dying during COVID (not from COVID, though) and me moving out of state and injuring myself.

Questionable website neutrality warning, article is followed by this advertisement.
the jist of the actual paper is that there is an increase in neurotic symptoms somewhat greater than the background increase in general over the time of the study. There was a reduction in schizophrenia and bipolar disorders. Long term follow up is needed as study is while Covid was rampant.

 

[Revoltingest]

Increased Psychiatric Disorders Following COVID Jab: Nature's 'Molecular Psychiatry' Journal

Study confirms COVID shot "significantly increas[es] the risks for depression, anxiety, dissociative, stress-related, and somatoform disorders, and sleep disorders."

jonfleetwood.substack.com

x.com

x.com

Jon Fleetwood....how much more fringe can one get, eh.
Chemtrail conspiracies, contributor to InfoWars.

The study linked (from S Korea) in the link also shows
reduction in some psychiatric disorders.
Note also that the study says only a "suggested"
relationship. The incidence rate of both positive
& negative effects is extremely low.

Psychiatric adverse events following COVID-19 vaccination: a population-based cohort study in Seoul, South Korea - Molecular Psychiatry

Evidence has suggested an increased risk of psychiatric manifestations following viral infections including coronavirus disease-2019 (COVID-19). However, psychiatric adverse events (AEs) after COVID-19 vaccination, which were documented in case reports and case series, remain unclear. This study...

www.nature.com

 

[Kathryn]

True and true of many infectious diseases as you should know already as in even in symptomatic cases transmission can occur before symptoms become evident.

Why, it is true and the reason not to assume that just because somebody is not coughing you don't have to worry, hence the reason for distance and masking.

two things here, this was an unknown contagion so maximal measures were appropriate until more was known. Different jurisdictions got to set their own rules. As to flying, testing was for international flights only.

This all makes sense if you learn a little about airborne transmission of viruses and why if you have flu symptoms you should stay away from others.
And get vaccinated especially when you are older.

Yeah I heard what you were told and believed.

 

[Kenny]

No one said it would stop it. It was meant to lessen the risk.

Joe Biden
stated on July 21, 2021 in a CNN town hall:
“You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations.”

CDC - COVID-19 vaccine can prevent COVID-19 disease. (2024 - then it says… well… it won’t stop it)

It is very interesting that the internet won’t provide what was said in 2021

There were a couple instances of politicians misspeaking, but other than that, no one said you wouldn't get Covid once you got the vaccine. It was meant to lessen symptoms, so that if you got it, it wouldn't be severe and especially wouldn't send you to the hospital.

That wasn’t the initial sell

See above.

The vaccine did lessen the symptoms. Whether the latest strain was already better than the original one is irrelevant. The "natural immunization" people got from contracting Covid wasn't as effective as the vaccine's, and it wasn't the reason subsequent strains were less severe.

Of course it did. If you naturally got COVID - it also lessened symptoms. At the same time there were those who went to the hospital even after vaccine.

No one said this. Booster's were recommended for a while. Then at a certain point, they weren't.

After it was recommended… as I said, it was a process of evolution.

But we want to stop transmission and we want to keep people from getting any form of infection. So boosters are going to be recommended for everyone.

What you need to know about COVID-19 booster shots - Mayo Clinic News Network

Health officials are developing a plan to begin offering COVID-19 booster shots to all people in the U.S. as soon as this fall to maximize vaccine protection. But before booster shots can be offered, two things will need to happen: The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) will need to conduct an...

newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org

Yes, your wildly inaccurate depiction of the situation is indeed wildly inaccurate.

So… continue your magic my man