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Supreme Court and Affirmative Action in Admissions revisited.

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
The Supreme Court has decided racial profiling in college admissions is no longer legal. I was wondering how it ever got to this point?

It appears the underlying problem does not begin at college admissions. Rather the problem appears to starts very early in the Public School Educational System. It appears to be connected to the alliance between the Democrat Party and the Teacher's Unions. This creates a conflict of interest in terms of the needs of students, especially minority students.

The Teacher's Union's job is to look out for the needs of the Teachers, not the students. The students and parents would need to form their own Union, if they have grievances or want their needs met. This is how unions work. The salaries and bonuses of the top Union Leaders and Bosses is dependent on the number of teachers and the union dues they can collect. The Teacher's Union spends tens of $millions of these dues on Democrat Politicians, who lobby, make laws and get benefits, on their behalf. The students are not exactly part of the equation except as boosters of teacher numbers. I am not saying the teachers are plotting, but rather those who are paid to speak and lobby on their behalf; business subcontractor experts. .

One questionable affect of this alliance is that it has become nearly almost impossible to fire bad teachers. There is also resistance to any merit based system for teachers, since either of these things could lower union members and bring in non Union Teachers. Resistance would be expected since union dues are dependent on their number of card carrying members to stay high and even increase. This may not be good for the students, but the Union Bosses get the best bonuses this way; less new selling is needed. Inner Cities schools can often become the dumping ground for less than stellar teachers that would be replaced in a merit system.

If the goal was to maximize the students, so they are ready for college and/or future employment; student first, they would be trained in the solid basics of reading, writing, math, science, etc., since all these things are foundational, to almost all job stills. But if the goal to maximize teachers, the Union Bosses and Politicians, they would prefer more more in the way of diversity type education, which, although interesting and may add teacher jobs, may not add up to the solid foundation needed for college and/or careers. How will Critical race theory, although interesting, get you a good job? It is fluff in the job market.

In large Democrat run cities, such as Detroit, almost the entire student body can not read and do math at grade level. They may be good at the radical diversity studies, and the new fad of cross-gender pronouns, but how will that help their future in the competitive college admissions and job markets? The answer is it may not help them, but it may make them appear like trouble makers. This studies are more beneficial to the needs of the teachers union; more teachers needed for the new studies, and Democrat Politicians, who get to train biased social warrior slaves, who work for free on the internet and in street demonstrations, such as the summer of 2020 riots.

Since the needs of the teachers Union and Democrats politicians are not putting the needs of the children first, by the nature of Unions, the children are unprepared for the future. To take the focus off the Union donors and Democrat lobbyist, who benefit by this, they created a scapegoat, called systemic racism; another non-foundational subject to create social warrior slaves who cannot find good jobs.

Minorities students are often less represented by parents, who will push back or remove them from Public Schools and Teachers Unions. The minority student tend to get the crap end of the stick, more often, especially in Democrat run large cities. These are good kids that come out defeated, more often. The damage is done early and by the time college comes around they have a harder time competing, since they lack the foundational background needed for success, anywhere.

The Supreme Count decision may be hard on the current college age students, who were damaged early by the selfish objectives of Unions and Politicians. However, this recent bottle neck, will help the earlier problems become recognized, so we can correct the future for all students. There are many states that now allow school choice; tax vouchers, which allows parents to pick better schools that maximize their children and move their tax money around. It is still being resisted by the Democrats and Teachers Unions. This is bad for dues, donations and social warrior slaves.

In my opinion, I do not think there should be Union Contracts connected to tax payer money, unless the tax payer has the final vote. The are Union contracts with business with business in on the deal; tax payer is the boss. Politicians can lobby in behalf of the tax payer funded Unions; teachers are paid from property taxes from which union dues come. But the final decisions should be by the parents, in behalf of the students; the customers, who pay for these services. The Democrat Party, to benefit the Union is even using Government to call these customers; parents, domestic terrorists, so they cannot be part of Union deals. They would do what was best for their children, making racial profiling at college admissions no longer needed, since the foundation for success will be established.

This early student problem of TeachersUnions reflects the worse of Capitalism, with the supply side, taking advantage of the customers lobbying Government tomake the customers have no say. The customer needs to lead, so they are not ripped off by Big Business Unions and their Lobbyist. We demand better quality for all children at a competitive price. If Unions could not money launder tax payer money to Politicians, who then give them even more tax payer money back, we could give the laundered money as scholarships to needy students.

If you look at racial profiling in the Job Market, which is connected to this early education problem, the white male is profiled due to Affirmative Action. If the police pull over a black male because he is black, we call this racial profiling. But if business are require to act like deputy police, and pull over the White and Asian males for college admissions and jobs, even if innocent, this type of racial profiling was OK, but no longer.

I suppose this was a way to create jobs for the social warrior slaves, who were not prepared for a merit based free market. But what appeared to happen is the new jobs become less about the needs of the business, and more about the useless studies that handicapped the students, thereby requiring racial profiling to get jobs. Once Twitter shut down the censorship operations of the Democrat led social warriors at Twitter, thousands of jobs were lost, that were not needed for the actual Business. Once we fix the root cause, the rest will smooth out.
 
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Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I think that the teacher's unions seek the interests of the teacher's unions first and foremost and only after that the interests of teachers or others. I write that as a retired teacher.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I think that the teacher's unions seek the interests of the teacher's unions first and foremost and only after that the interests of teachers or others. I write that as a retired teacher.
The union mostly has the goal of enriching its administrators and its staff whom in the upper echelons are making now, well over a quarter million dollars every single year for each individual.

Kids come last. Dead last.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The Supreme Court has decided racial profiling in college admissions is no longer legal. I was wondering how it ever got to this point?

It appears the underlying problem does not begin at college admissions. Rather the problem appears to starts very early in the Public School Educational System. It appears to be connected to the alliance between the Democrat Party and the Teacher's Unions. This creates a conflict of interest in terms of the needs of students, especially minority students.

The Teacher's Union's job is to look out for the needs of the Teachers, not the students. The students and parents would need to form their own Union, if they have grievances or want their needs met. This is how unions work. The salaries and bonuses of the top Union Leaders and Bosses is dependent on the number of teachers and the union dues they can collect. The Teacher's Union spends tens of $millions of these dues on Democrat Politicians, who lobby, make laws and get benefits, on their behalf. The students are not exactly part of the equation except as boosters of teacher numbers. I am not saying the teachers are plotting, but rather those who are paid to speak and lobby on their behalf; business subcontractor experts. .

One questionable affect of this alliance is that it has become nearly almost impossible to fire bad teachers. There is also resistance to any merit based system for teachers, since either of these things could lower union members and bring in non Union Teachers. Resistance would be expected since union dues are dependent on their number of card carrying members to stay high and even increase. This may not be good for the students, but the Union Bosses get the best bonuses this way; less new selling is needed. Inner Cities schools can often become the dumping ground for less than stellar teachers that would be replaced in a merit system.

If the goal was to maximize the students, so they are ready for college and/or future employment; student first, they would be trained in the solid basics of reading, writing, math, science, etc., since all these things are foundational, to almost all job stills. But if the goal to maximize teachers, the Union Bosses and Politicians, they would prefer more more in the way of diversity type education, which, although interesting and may add teacher jobs, may not add up to the solid foundation needed for college and/or careers. How will Critical race theory, although interesting, get you a good job? It is fluff in the job market.

In large Democrat run cities, such as Detroit, almost the entire student body can not read and do math at grade level. They may be good at the radical diversity studies, and the new fad of cross-gender pronouns, but how will that help their future in the competitive college admissions and job markets? The answer is it may not help them, but it may make them appear like trouble makers. This studies are more beneficial to the needs of the teachers union; more teachers needed for the new studies, and Democrat Politicians, who get to train biased social warrior slaves, who work for free on the internet and in street demonstrations, such as the summer of 2020 riots.

Since the needs of the teachers Union and Democrats politicians are not putting the needs of the children first, by the nature of Unions, the children are unprepared for the future. To take the focus off the Union donors and Democrat lobbyist, who benefit by this, they created a scapegoat, called systemic racism; another non-foundational subject to create social warrior slaves who cannot find good jobs.

Minorities students are often less represented by parents, who will push back or remove them from Public Schools and Teachers Unions. The minority student tend to get the crap end of the stick, more often, especially in Democrat run large cities. These are good kids that come out defeated, more often. The damage is done early and by the time college comes around they have a harder time competing, since they lack the foundational background needed for success, anywhere.

The Supreme Count decision may be hard on the current college age students, who were damaged early by the selfish objectives of Unions and Politicians. However, this recent bottle neck, will help the earlier problems become recognized, so we can correct the future for all students. There are many states that now allow school choice; tax vouchers, which allows parents to pick better schools that maximize their children and move their tax money around. It is still being resisted by the Democrats and Teachers Unions. This is bad for dues, donations and social warrior slaves.

In my opinion, I do not think there should be Union Contracts connected to tax payer money, unless the tax payer has the final vote. The are Union contracts with business with business in on the deal; tax payer is the boss. Politicians can lobby in behalf of the tax payer funded Unions; teachers are paid from property taxes from which union dues come. But the final decisions should be by the parents, in behalf of the students; the customers, who pay for these services. The Democrat Party, to benefit the Union is even using Government to call these customers; parents, domestic terrorists, so they cannot be part of Union deals. They would do what was best for their children, making racial profiling at college admissions no longer needed, since the foundation for success will be established.

This early student problem of TeachersUnions reflects the worse of Capitalism, with the supply side, taking advantage of the customers lobbying Government tomake the customers have no say. The customer needs to lead, so they are not ripped off by Big Business Unions and their Lobbyist. We demand better quality for all children at a competitive price. If Unions could not money launder tax payer money to Politicians, who then give them even more tax payer money back, we could give the laundered money as scholarships to needy students.

If you look at racial profiling in the Job Market, which is connected to this early education problem, the white male is profiled due to Affirmative Action. If the police pull over a black male because he is black, we call this racial profiling. But if business are require to act like deputy police, and pull over the White and Asian males for college admissions and jobs, even if innocent, this type of racial profiling was OK, but no longer.

I suppose this was a way to create jobs for the social warrior slaves, who were not prepared for a merit based free market. But what appeared to happen is the new jobs become less about the needs of the business, and more about the useless studies that handicapped the students, thereby requiring racial profiling to get jobs. Once Twitter shut down the censorship operations of the Democrat led social warriors at Twitter, thousands of jobs were lost, that were not needed for the actual Business. Once we fix the root cause, the rest will smooth out.
I think Cadillac perks and favors need to be strictly linked and tied in with student performance.

Poor performance, no raise.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
I think that the teacher's unions seek the interests of the teacher's unions first and foremost and only after that the interests of teachers or others. I write that as a retired teacher.
This is no different, from the behavior of top level executives in other big companies, making changes based on profit and executives bonuses, while not taking into account the impact on the consumer. This is capitalism at its worse, in this case using the leaders of the Democrat party and their political machine, in Washington, to game the system; cheat the free market like not allowing school choice and merit bonuses for good teachers.

The leaders of the Democrat Party figured out how to satisfy the greed of the Union Bosses; increases the number of teachers teaching puffy subjects, that do not help the student prepare for the adult job world and their future adult self sufficiency. The approach of the Democrats party leaders for their Union Leader donors, now also helps themselves; teaching subjects that are biased partisan propaganda; critical race theory. This does not prepared them to find jobs, except as social warrior diversity jobs, that are now being forced on the free market by shady law.

This approach contaminated Twitter and other social media companies before the 2020 election; election interference. Very recently a court order no longer allows the Democrat Swamp leadership to infest the private sector with their protection racket. Once this was corrected at Twitter these forced hired social warriors, had no jobs. They are not needed in a free social market place. They require the free market become enslaved to Big Gov. The Supreme Court decision on college admissions, will bottle neck this unholy alliance, so the root of many problems will become more obvious, even to Democrat rank and file who care about the education of all children.

The ideal educational system will teach students to be able to question, think critically and friendly debate; sports model of debate. Later it will teach students how to do research, so students, as adults can learn any subject on their own, including new job skills. Using children as slave labor for social justice scams is child abuse. Those skills do not help their future, nor does it allow a life of learning. All you get a life of bigotry, separation, depression, addiction.

If you look at the new educational forced topic of gender bending; Union perk, how does this prepare students for their future? It is really about the leaders of the Democrats party using education to kill two donor birds with one stone; justify donations from Teacher Unions and Big Med/Pharm. Big Med and Big Pharm needs free young human Guinea Pigs to serve as lab rats for a new branch of medicine; cyborg sex. If parents get involved, the Guinea Pigs will not be free and plentiful, which can impact the bottom line and the donation stream. This is child abuse by mercenary perverts who will do anything for money including sacrificing children.
 
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MikeDwight

Well-Known Member
The Pyongyang Revival or the Great Pyongyang Revival of 1907 was a Protestant revival that occurred in and around the city of Pyongyang, what is today the capital of North Korea. A key figure of the movement is often seen to be Kil Sun-joo (or Gil Seon-ju), one of the first Korean Protestants ordained as a Presbyterian minister.
In January 1907, across two weeks, the Presbyterian seminary in Pyongyang held a Bible conference of about 1500 Korean men. At the conference, through the dynamic preaching of Kil Sun-joo and his personal confession of sins, hundred others followed in public repentance. This would continue through a series of revival meetings in Pyongyang and other nearby cities, which eventually subsided in the spring of 1907 due to Kil's exhaustion from the meetings.[3]

The Pyongyang revival resulted in an increase in the number of new Protestant converts and the growing establishment of Korean Christianity led by Korean Protestants.

The Presbytery of All Korea was established on September 17, 1907. The general secretary was Samuel Austin Moffett, who had arrived in Korea in 1890 and became the first resident protestant missionary in Pyongyang; the vice-moderator, stated clerk, and assistant clerk were all native Koreans. The membership of the new presbytery was 38 missionaries and 40 Korean elders.

The presbytery’s first act was the dissolution of a missionary council that had previously directed all Presbyterian mission work in Korea. The intention was clear: the future of Presbyterianism in Korea would be largely directed by Koreans.

 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
I think that the teacher's unions seek the interests of the teacher's unions first and foremost and only after that the interests of teachers or others. I write that as a retired teacher.
Whose interests do you think a teacher's union should be looking out for, if not teachers?

Do we expect plumbers' unions to look out for people other than plumbers?
Do we expect doctors' unions to look out for people that aren't doctors?
Are actors' unions expected to look out for non-actors?
 

MikeDwight

Well-Known Member
A declaration of the causes
which impel the State of Texas to secede
from the Federal Union

The government of the United States, by certain joint resolutions, bearing date the 1st day of March, in the year A. D. 1845, proposed to the Republic of Texas, then a free, sovereign and independent nation, the annexation of the latter to the former, as one of the co-equal States thereof,

The people of Texas, by deputies in convention assembled, on the fourth day of July of the same year, assented to and accepted said proposals and formed a constitution for the proposed State, upon which on the 29th day of December in the same year, said State was formally admitted into the Confederated Union.

Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated States to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquillity and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people.

By the disloyalty of the Northern States and their citizens and the imbecility of the Federal Government, infamous combinations of incendiaries and outlaws have been permitted in those States and the common territory of Kansas to trample upon the federal laws, to war upon the lives and property of Southern citizens in that territory, and finally, by violence and mob law to usurp the possession of the same as exclusively the property of the Northern States.

For these and other reasons, solemnly asserting that the federal constitution has been violated and virtually abrogated by the several States named, seeing that the federal government is now passing under the control of our enemies to be diverted from the exalted objects of its creation to those of oppression and wrong, and realizing that our own State can no longer look for protection, but to God and her own sons – We the delegates of the people of Texas, in Convention assembled, have passed an ordinance dissolving all political connection with the government of the United States of America and the people thereof and confidently appeal to the intelligence and patriotism of the freeman of Texas to ratify the same at the ballot box, on the 23rd day of the present month.

 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Whose interests do you think a teacher's union should be looking out for, if not teachers?

Do we expect plumbers' unions to look out for people other than plumbers?
Do we expect doctors' unions to look out for people that aren't doctors?
Are actors' unions expected to look out for non-actors?
Perhaps you should re-read my post. The teacher's unions don't look after the teachers. They look after the interests of the teacher's union. They should look after the interests of teachers, but that isn't their priority.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Perhaps you should re-read my post. The teacher's unions don't look after the teachers. They look after the interests of the teacher's union. They should look after the interests of teachers, but that isn't their priority.
The union which is comprised of teachers?
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
No, the union which claims to speak on behalf of teachers but doesn't. It has been composed of employees that were forced to be members as a condition of employment.
"The American Federation of Teachers, an affiliate of the AFL-CIO, was founded in 1916 and today represents 1.7 million members in more than 3,000 local affiliates nationwide.

Five divisions within the AFT represent the broad spectrum of the AFT's membership: pre-K through 12th-grade teachers; paraprofessionals and other school-related personnel; higher education faculty and professional staff; federal, state and local government employees; and nurses and other healthcare professionals. In addition, the AFT represents approximately 80,000 early childhood educators and nearly 250,000 retiree members.

The AFT is governed by its elected officers and by delegates to the union's biennial convention, which sets union policy. Elected leaders are President Randi Weingarten, Secretary-Treasurer Fedrick C. Ingram and Executive Vice President Evelyn DeJesus along with a 43-member executive council."


"OUR PRESIDENT

Becky Pringle is president of the National Education Association, the nation’s largest labor union. Becky is a middle school science teacher with 31 years of classroom experience and has distinguished herself as a fierce social justice warrior and defender of educator rights.
OUR VICE PRESIDENT

Princess R. Moss, an elementary school music teacher from Louisa County, Va., is vice president of the National Education Association, the nation's largest professional organization.
OUR SECRETARY-TREASURER

Noel Candelaria, a special education teacher and former teacher’s aide from El Paso, Texas, is secretary-treasurer of the National Education Association, the nation’s largest professional organization.
OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR

Kim A. Anderson, a national leader in the fight to transform America's public schools, is the executive director of the National Education Association.
OUR EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE

The nine-member Executive Committee is comprised of our three executive officers and six members elected at large by delegates to the Representative Assembly. The committee is responsible for general policy and interests of NEA and acts for the NEA Board of Directors in between its four regularly scheduled meetings each year."

 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
"The American Federation of Teachers, an affiliate of the AFL-CIO, was founded in 1916 and today represents 1.7 million members in more than 3,000 local affiliates nationwide.

Five divisions within the AFT represent the broad spectrum of the AFT's membership: pre-K through 12th-grade teachers; paraprofessionals and other school-related personnel; higher education faculty and professional staff; federal, state and local government employees; and nurses and other healthcare professionals. In addition, the AFT represents approximately 80,000 early childhood educators and nearly 250,000 retiree members.

The AFT is governed by its elected officers and by delegates to the union's biennial convention, which sets union policy. Elected leaders are President Randi Weingarten, Secretary-Treasurer Fedrick C. Ingram and Executive Vice President Evelyn DeJesus along with a 43-member executive council."


"OUR PRESIDENT

Becky Pringle is president of the National Education Association, the nation’s largest labor union. Becky is a middle school science teacher with 31 years of classroom experience and has distinguished herself as a fierce social justice warrior and defender of educator rights.
OUR VICE PRESIDENT

Princess R. Moss, an elementary school music teacher from Louisa County, Va., is vice president of the National Education Association, the nation's largest professional organization.
OUR SECRETARY-TREASURER

Noel Candelaria, a special education teacher and former teacher’s aide from El Paso, Texas, is secretary-treasurer of the National Education Association, the nation’s largest professional organization.
OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR

Kim A. Anderson, a national leader in the fight to transform America's public schools, is the executive director of the National Education Association.
OUR EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE

The nine-member Executive Committee is comprised of our three executive officers and six members elected at large by delegates to the Representative Assembly. The committee is responsible for general policy and interests of NEA and acts for the NEA Board of Directors in between its four regularly scheduled meetings each year."

Of course a quote from the union would state these things. They are completely biased in their own point of view.
As I wrote they claim to represent teachers but they
do
not!

I speak from personal knowledge and experience. I have had a so-called teacher's union take money from my paycheck without permission and despite my not being a member of the union and not being a certified teacher. "Teacher" unions can indeed include non-teachers. They look after the union's interests, not those of teachers or others.They care about their bottom line first and foremost.

Ersatz "teacher" unions have been losing members for years. It is a trend that will continue. Since U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Janus v. AFSCME that union membership cannot be a condition of employment membership is dropping. Teachers are "voting with their feet" by leaving these corrupt unions. If these unions truly represented their member's interests then they wouldn't be losing members. But they certainly are! Teachers unions represent less than half of all teachers. Fewer than half of teachers now covered by unions
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Of course a quote from the union would state these things. They are completely biased in their own point of view.
As I wrote they claim to represent teachers but they
do
not!

I speak from personal knowledge and experience. I have had a so-called teacher's union take money from my paycheck without permission and despite my not being a member of the union and not being a certified teacher. "Teacher" unions can indeed include non-teachers. They look after the union's interests, not those of teachers or others.They care about their bottom line first and foremost.

Ersatz "teacher" unions have been losing members for years. It is a trend that will continue. Since U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Janus v. AFSCME that union membership cannot be a condition of employment membership is dropping. Teachers are "voting with their feet" by leaving these corrupt unions. If these unions truly represented their member's interests then they wouldn't be losing members. But they certainly are! Teachers unions represent less than half of all teachers. Fewer than half of teachers now covered by unions
They are comprised of teachers + other educational professionals as well. That's what I was pointing out. So, you're saying that the unions are made up of people who don't actually represent their own interests?

A "so-called teacher's union" taking money from your paycheque when you're not a union member seems like a separate issue altogether.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
No, the union which claims to speak on behalf of teachers but doesn't. It has been composed of employees that were forced to be members as a condition of employment.

I have never been forced to be a member of my teacher union. I am a member, because I benefit from it. My students benefit, because I am a slightly better treated employee.
 
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