Surah 3:85 - Who does Muhammad (PBUH) claim to have lost all spiritual good in the hereafter?

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"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah) never will it be accepted of him" (3:85)

I should mention, that's a bad translation.

A proper translation would read "If anyone should follow a Deen other than Submission/acquiescence for/to the Will of God, will never be accepted of him".

The concept of Deen is very nuanced and not an equivalent to the word "religion" in english. The word substitute "Dharma" is ironically far closer to the meaning of Deen than "religion".

Deen is both a state of being, as well as a doctrine (not dogma though, dogma is a separate thing).

Deen corresponds to the inward sense of Sharia, being "Way of Life" (Sharia being one's inner and outward conduct).

 

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Then religion should be abandoned, because, we have no access to the Imam (at least in public).

I definitely agree about abolishing institutions, without the Imam/Walaya people have over-intellectualized (placing rationalization over experience) an inward mystical beautiful Deen and turned it into an equivalent to the four Sunni madhhabs, which are merely dogmatic but having complete disregard for Ihsan.

In my view, things really started falling away after The Bab was killed. Things have gradually become more and more sterilized to prevent further messianic movements (despite that there are fringe people like Ahmad al-Hassan lol). The result unfortunately just becomes "a name without a reality".
The reality in question is how significant the Hidden Imam actually is to us personally and in world events. It seems that the current institutional leaders, both Sunni and Shia, would oppose the Mahdi at this point if he reappeared

 

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I definitely agree about abolishing institutions, without the Imam/Walaya people have over-intellectualized (placing rationalization over experience) an inward mystical beautiful Deen and turned it into an equivalent to the four Sunni madhhabs, which are merely dogmatic but having complete disregard for Ihsan.

In my view, things really started falling away after The Bab was killed. Things have gradually become more and more sterilized to prevent further messianic movements (despite that there are fringe people like Ahmad al-Hassan lol). The result unfortunately just becomes "a name without a reality".
The reality in question is how significant the Hidden Imam actually is to us personally and in world events. It seems that the current institutional leaders, both Sunni and Shia, would oppose the Mahdi at this point if he reappeared

What people don't realize about the inward reasons, if you go into the philosophy from a spiritual aspect, you can derive for example all the outward Sunnah of Salah in Quran, or not derive, but verify it is perhaps the better word.

And this in line that everything in the Sunnah can be verified in Quran. While anything Quran doesn't verify, is not from the Sunnah.

Conjecture creeped in. It's not that we over intellectualize, it's that we mixed conjecture and played the guessing game of ilmel rijaal.