Survivors & Descendants Of Holocaust Victims Condemn Genocide In Gaza

[CMike]

BBC News - Holocaust families criticise Israel over Gaza


Holocaust survivors condemn Israel for 'Gaza massacre,' call for boycott - Diplomacy and Defense Israel News | Haaretz


Also in the New York Times published yesterday.. Completely real.

The NYT is probably as bad as Iranian radio.

 

[CMike]

Your response to these people is rather ignorant. The number obviously isn't the main focus here; it's what the number represents. But then who wasn't already aware that there is likely a decent majority of Jews in support of Israel's actions in Gaza, and anywhere else? Even if it were one Holocaust survivor, I'd think that one would deserve enough respect to be taken seriously, on this matter especially.

Not really.

You will always find people to say anything.

Unlike the arab countries, Israel is a democracy, with people all over the political spectrum.

 

[CMike]

What qualifies as genocide to you?

ISIS cruicifying and beheading christians.

Hamas killing their own civilians by using them as human shields.

 

[CMike]

I agree. It is more like an ethnic cleansing.

That definetly sounds like the arab leadership.

They expel jews from their countries, whereas there about 1.5 million arabs in Israel proper.

Plus the arab leadership and american progressives have stated where jews according to them aren't allowed to live.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Incitement to Genocide “Incredibly Common in Israeli Political Discourse” | Global Research

Israel-Gaza conflict: Right-wing Israeli politician calls for Gazans to be

No talk of ethnic cleansing from Israel? Wishful thinking.

 

[outhouse]

They didn't address that...

Of course, their making unsubstantiated statements, they have to avoid the reality of the situation and ignore the context of the fighting

But, I doubt that is what they would want.

Who cares what they want, they do not get to determine safety of Israel's citizens.

They likely want an alternative that doesn't guarantee that hundreds of civilians are bombed week after week

Well there is not one.


You don't deal with terrorist, you deal with the problem at hand, and that is stopping rockets

 

[Levite]

Over 300 Survivors and Descendants of Survivors of Victims of the Nazi Genocide Condemn Israel’s Assault on Gaza

Wow, an entirely sketchy website of an apparently Spanish website of purported Jewish anti-Zionists-- with no pictures, no background information on the organization, no information on who funds the organization, but which links to another site that claims to be funded by a US Palestinian Community Network-- who claim to have a few hundred "survivors and descendants of survivors of the Holocaust" that think what's going on in Gaza counts as "genocide."

Yeah, there's nothing at all suspicious or improbable about that.

Not only is this pathetic and feeble anti-Israel propaganda, it absolutely disgraces the legitimate victims of genocides by cheapening the word. Even if one disagrees with Israel's actions in Gaza, it is reprehensible to equate a military action dedicated to eliminating a terrorist group, throughout the course of which perhaps 2000 Palestinians have died, with incidents of real genocide, such as the Holocaust, or the Armenian Genocide, which claimed over eleven million people (including six million Jews) and one and a half million, respectively, or the Killing Fields, in which two million died, all of incredibly methodical violence done for no better reason than an attempt to rid the world of certain groups.

Calling any part of the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians "genocide" is like labeling the common cold the Black Death.

 

[Father Heathen]

So to all you people objecting to this: Is people condemning genocide somehow now a bad thing?

Only when there is no actual genocide.

 

[Father Heathen]

I agree. It is more like an ethnic cleansing.

Genocide
noun
1.
the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

Ethnic Cleansing
noun
1.
the elimination of an unwanted ethnic group or groups from a society, as by genocide or forced emigration

So how and in what way are these occurring in Israel?

 

[Sleeppy]

Wow, an entirely sketchy website of an apparently Spanish website of purported Jewish anti-Zionists-- with no pictures, no background information on the organization, no information on who funds the organization, but which links to another site that claims to be funded by a US Palestinian Community Network-- who claim to have a few hundred "survivors and descendants of survivors of the Holocaust" that think what's going on in Gaza counts as "genocide."

Yeah, there's nothing at all suspicious or improbable about that.

Not only is this pathetic and feeble anti-Israel propaganda, it absolutely disgraces the legitimate victims of genocides by cheapening the word. Even if one disagrees with Israel's actions in Gaza, it is reprehensible to equate a military action dedicated to eliminating a terrorist group, throughout the course of which perhaps 2000 Palestinians have died, with incidents of real genocide, such as the Holocaust, or the Armenian Genocide, which claimed over eleven million people (including six million Jews) and one and a half million, respectively, or the Killing Fields, in which two million died, all of incredibly methodical violence done for no better reason than an attempt to rid the world of certain groups.

Calling any part of the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians "genocide" is like labeling the common cold the Black Death.

Somehow the number of civilians killed, in comparison to that of other genocides makes everything less important. 500+ children being bombed in the stead of a terrorist organization they have nothing to do with, is more analogous to the common cold.. Millions of civilians losing food, water and electricity is all meaningless. God bless.

 

[CMike]

Incitement to Genocide “Incredibly Common in Israeli Political Discourse” | Global Research

Israel-Gaza conflict: Right-wing Israeli politician calls for Gazans to be

No talk of ethnic cleansing from Israel? Wishful thinking.

I wonder what he actually said before it was redone by the pro terrorist reporter.

 

[Levite]

Somehow the number of civilians killed, in comparison to that of other genocides makes everything less important. 500+ children being bombed in the stead of a terrorist organization they have nothing to do with, is more analogous to the common cold.. Millions of civilians losing food, water and electricity is all meaningless. God bless.

Seriously? There's no comparison between displacement-- which may be unfortunate, but can be remedied-- and murder.

And in what world is there a simple black/white, positive/negative dualistic differentiation between "lesser significance" and "meaningless?" Something can be less important that genocide and yet also not meaningless.

 

[Sleeppy]

Seriously? There's no comparison between displacement-- which may be unfortunate, but can be remedied-- and murder.

And in what world is there a simple black/white, positive/negative dualistic differentiation between "lesser significance" and "meaningless?" Something can be less important that genocide and yet also not meaningless.

Displacement is not the only problem. These people are going without food, water, and electricity.. How long do you expect them to last? Don't you understand that you are prolonging the hatred against Israel? All you are doing is encouraging people who weren't "terrorists", to want to avenge themselves and their dead. You're prolonging the problem decades into the future.

 

[George-ananda]

Displacement is not the only problem. These people are going without food, water, and electricity.. How long do you expect them to last? Don't you understand that you are prolonging the hatred against Israel? All you are doing is encouraging people who weren't "terrorists", to want to avenge themselves and their dead. You're prolonging the problem decades into the future.

Do you propose capitulation to all of Hamas' demands as a better path than fighting terrorism? I see the suffering of the civilians as ultimately the terrorists fault.

 

[Godobeyer]

the racist Israeli regime should take a lesson from the history (of jews in Europe) , these survivors had experience of life
so they suffered from racist regime , and they saw a racist crimes done by the name of their religion/breed .

so they had the FULL experience , the present and the past .

 

[George-ananda]

the racist Israeli regime should take a lesson from the history (of jews in Europe) , these survivors had experience of life
so they suffered from racist regime , and they saw a racist crimes done by the name of their religion/breed .

so they had the FULL experience , the present and the past .

Why do you call Israelis racist? They would be happy to live in peace with neighbors but not terrorists.

 

[metis]

the racist Israeli regime should take a lesson from the history (of jews in Europe) , these survivors had experience of life
so they suffered from racist regime , and they saw a racist crimes done by the name of their religion/breed .

so they had the FULL experience , the present and the past .

We learned our lessons very well, which is why we not only don't trust Hamas, we also know that terrorists groups like them need to be eliminated one way or another. Just one aspect of your absurdity is that you somehow don't make the connection that Hamas says that Jews must be "driven into the sea", to use Arafat's own words. Now that's racism, and you certainly are not a "godobeyer" when you advocate for a terrorist group like Hamas.

 

[outhouse]

the racist Israeli regime should take a lesson from the history (of jews in Europe) , these survivors had experience of life
so they suffered from racist regime , and they saw a racist crimes done by the name of their religion/breed .

so they had the FULL experience , the present and the past .

Is this another example of stereotypical muslims backing all terrorist?

Or are you just love terrorism and racism?

 

[Sleeppy]

Do you propose capitulation to all of Hamas' demands as a better path than fighting terrorism? I see the suffering of the civilians as ultimately the terrorists fault.

Obviously not. But there are alternatives to bombing entire neighborhoods to rubble, and entire families out of existence. If the US decided to employ nuclear bombs over Germany, and destroy everything and everyone, along with the concentration camps and the people in them, would that be Hitler's fault?

 

[Levite]

Displacement is not the only problem. These people are going without food, water, and electricity.. How long do you expect them to last? Don't you understand that you are prolonging the hatred against Israel? All you are doing is encouraging people who weren't "terrorists", to want to avenge themselves and their dead. You're prolonging the problem decades into the future.

Israel is providing massive amounts of humanitarian aid to the civilians in Gaza, and has tried to keep the utilities going as much as possible during the conflict.

I am hard pressed to think of any other situation where one party in a conflict had complete control over the utilities of the other, and did not summarily shut everything off, but rather tried hard to keep everyone's water and power running even during the conflict.

It is madness to suppose that not retaliating against the Hamas terrorists would help anyone but the terrorists. These are people who not only use their own people as human shields, use schools and hospitals as rocket storage and firing areas, but also casually shoot their rockets and mortars into areas populated by their own people, or by other Palestinians. They provoked this latest conflict, they broke every attempt at cease-fire, and they refuse to stand down and surrender. If the Palestinians under their control are so blind to those things that Israel's retaliations radicalize them, then the problem is not Israel's military actions.