Switching to Vegetarianism (Finally)

[1137]

This is fascinating and certainly something I hadn't considered. I'll see your one question and raise you two more: How many cows have you seen that can regenerate limbs? How long do you think they would survive with three or less limbs?

See this is why I love RF still. I find your response questions rather powerful and had not accounted for that! I don't really have a retort right now tbh.

To give a little background, I'm super sympathetic to vegetarianism, I just don't think I would survive it. Ethnic or religious, you ever try taking meat away from a Jewish man before . I feel like I have some cognitive dissonance because I know we are treating animals poorly but then I still buy. I actually just posted another thread about evil personhood being tied to the violation of will... and we violate the wills of animals all the time.

Do we just need better ways of getting meat? Give the animals good lives and painless ends? Or is that still too far? And then where do plants come in? I've been falling into gnosticism these years and think that it might just be impossible not to trample on other life to survive, the whole thing is a setup to produce someone or somethings suffering at all times. But now I'm rambling

I think if i could get the nutrients and such I need without meat I would quit it. But I'm so picky, and on the spectrum which brings in stuff like texture, I'd just wither away and die. But I do think how we treat animals meant for food is wrong, and I sometimes shame myself for supporting it.

 

[1137]

If plants suffered and felt as much pain as animals do when the latter are industrially raised and slaughtered for food, I would consider vegetarianism no different from eating meat. However, plants don't have extensive nervous systems like many commonly eaten animals do, nor is there any evidence that they experience suffering, let alone to a similar extent as said animals.

Honestly that's pretty solid imo. I just made another response basically admitting my meat eating causes cognitive dissonance haha.

Do you think the solution is like a widespread vegetarianism? Or just better treatment of animals?

 

[SalixIncendium]

See this is why I love RF still. I find your response questions rather powerful and had not accounted for that! I don't really have a retort right now tbh.

To give a little background, I'm super sympathetic to vegetarianism, I just don't think I would survive it. Ethnic or religious, you ever try taking meat away from a Jewish man before . I feel like I have some cognitive dissonance because I know we are treating animals poorly but then I still buy. I actually just posted another thread about evil personhood being tied to the violation of will... and we violate the wills of animals all the time.

Do we just need better ways of getting meat? Give the animals good lives and painless ends? Or is that still too far? And then where do plants come in? I've been falling into gnosticism these years and think that it might just be impossible not to trample on other life to survive, the whole thing is a setup to produce someone or somethings suffering at all times. But now I'm rambling

I think if i could get the nutrients and such I need without meat I would quit it. But I'm so picky, and on the spectrum which brings in stuff like texture, I'd just wither away and die. But I do think how we treat animals meant for food is wrong, and I sometimes shame myself for supporting it.

You might find it less difficult than you’d think.

Dining out is still challenging with limited menu options, sure, but there are so many plant-based options out there for meat eaters, and much better ones in recent years, I imagine the transition is much easier now than it was when I made the change.

 

[Secret Chief]

it might just be impossible not to trample on other life to survive

That is correct.

 

[Shaul]

Cute.

Most plants you can harvest from them without killing them.

And you can "harvest" food, such as dairy and eggs, from animals without killing them too.

 

[SalixIncendium]

And you can "harvest" food, such as dairy and eggs, from animals without killing them too.

Correct. And the majority of vegetarians incorporate such foods into their diet. It's vegans who do not.