Syria uses WMD agaisnt rebels

[Sirius Star]

Oh really? MY comments are demeaning? I'd say this is more demeaning; "A Brief for Whitey" Yeah.

Patrick J. Buchanan: "Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago."

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Could you reiterate your statement(s). It is unclear of what you exactly mean. Patrick J. Buchanan is well-respected in his capacity as a speech writer, a columnist and as a defender of Western civilization. Your comments are demeaning.

I think Assad's comments were right on the mark. I'm white, I voted for Obama, and I can defend my own civilization without Mr. Buchanan's race baiting, thanks.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Much like Saddam Syria is sometimes best left under the hands of Assad. First action rebels take during their gain of power is to neutralize Shi'ites. Immediately turning into a civil war in certain parts.
I find it more adviceable to just stand out of the way for this event. It is to confusing of a situation and considering how Afghanist and and Iraq turned out I doubt we need another broken country.

 

[Meow Mix]

Could you reiterate your statement(s). It is unclear of what you exactly mean. Patrick J. Buchanan is well-respected in his capacity as a speech writer, a columnist and as a defender of Western civilization. Your comments are demeaning.

Just wanted to clarify for non-Americans that the above is only true for a minority fringe of American conservatives. A majority of Americans have little to no respect (mostly the latter) for Mr. Buchanan.

That is all :yes:

That being said, I'm not commenting at all about whether Mr. Buchanan's questions are valid from the posted open letter (some of them are) -- I was just cringing from the thought that such a wingnut would be said to be "well-respected" by Americans or "Western civilization" (whatever that is).

 

[Assad91]

Much like Saddam Syria is sometimes best left under the hands of Assad. First action rebels take during their gain of power is to neutralize Shi'ites. Immediately turning into a civil war in certain parts.
I find it more adviceable to just stand out of the way for this event. It is to confusing of a situation and considering how Afghanist and and Iraq turned out I doubt we need another broken country.

Huh, you must have forgotten the way it started was Assad ordering his forces to kill peaceful protestors. That is what created the civil war.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Huh, you must have forgotten the way it started was Assad ordering his forces to kill peaceful protestors. That is what created the civil war.

And? This does not change anything. The minute Assad is removed (which he will be) their will be far more confusion then when he was in office. Syria will begin to become a breeding ground for Islamic militias and start a whole other mess.
Iraq, Libya and even Afghanistan have all had the same effect happen and Egypt is just climbing out of a gutter.
When Assad goes down which will probably be late of this year or early of next I only wish the US will have a boots on the ground presence and reestablish order and try to get Syria back on its feet. Leaving the country in shambles is not the way to go because it often bites us back in the rear.
The issue here is that every time we try helping we make things worst.

 

[Assad91]

I agree for the most part.
But you saying "And?", I'll take as admitting you was wrong for saying the rebels started it.

 

[Sha'irullah]

I agree for the most part.
But you saying "And?", I'll take as admitting you was wrong for saying the rebels started it.

I never said the rebels started anything. I was referring to what the rebels did when they gained a foothold in certain areas. That action involves attacking Shi'ites instead of trying to push through and remove Assad

 

[Assad91]

I never said the rebels started anything. I was referring to what the rebels did when they gained a foothold in certain areas. That action involves attacking Shi'ites instead of trying to push through and remove Assad

Okay. I misunderstood. This is a sad occurance, but retaliation is norm in bloody civil wars. Assad forces, aligned militias and gorilla groups have done it to sunnis aswell.

And on Al Jazeera I read last week in two days there were 100+ of attacks and retaliation attacks between sunni and shia. But I doubt the solution is American troops

 

[Sha'irullah]

Okay. I misunderstood. This is a sad occurance, but retaliation is norm in bloody civil wars. Assad forces, aligned militias and gorilla groups have done it to sunnis aswell.

And on Al Jazeera I read last week in two days there were 100+ of attacks and retaliation attacks between sunni and shia. But I doubt the solution is American troops

I would not say American troops but I believe some sort of external force must come in to provide order once this is done.

But they will need political structure because this has occurred in every case when things like this happen. Syria will have no government and sooner or later the wrong person gets into power and it gets worst.
Syria already has cases of civil battles going on so leaving it in shambles is not doing anybody any good. I would sort of like a country like Turkey to intervene on US behalf since they can understand an Islamic country yet at the same time they are somewhat secular and not bias towards certain issues. Sort of a middle ground. The odds of a successful government getting establish after Assad's removal is about 1/40 . It is entirely wrong to play a game of odds with people's lives and future.
Reestablishing order is going to be essential to Syria and America will makes things worst. We do not know how to deal with Arab nations and I do not think we can handle it. Let a country more situated with this issue help Syria like Turkey or Jordan perhaps but that is just wishful thinking and may not be practical.
But the Arab nations claim to be unified yet the way I see it they are divided. Sooner or later they must unite over some cause because religion is not working. They seem to be corrupted by the greed that emanates from wealth.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Lets see, group A hates group B and wants them dead.

Group B hates group A and wants them dead as well.

So the solution is to insert group C which group A&B also hate?

 

[Assad91]

Really, I don't see any "Islamic" country government being able to do anything good. Sadly, every single one of them would impose an agenda onto the Syrian people.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Really, I don't see any "Islamic" country government being able to do anything good. Sadly, every single one of them would impose an agenda onto the Syrian people.

Well as I said before. It is just that America does not know how to handle Middle Eastern nations. Turkey and Jordan have more common ground with Syria compared to the US.
Would you rather have the US come in and bring porn, scantly clad women on commercials and failed politics to Syria?
The horrors are unimaginable. When America uncensored Iraqi internet during its freehold of Saddam millions of men just sat up and watched porn and films all day long. I have friends who served and complained that any intel you could possibly want was covered in gigabytes of filth and that includes religious leaders as well.
When America gets done with Syria it will be as immoral as 2 prostitutes drinking a bottle of Everclear in a Las Vegas bar.
All countries have agendas and America has either a very bad one or none at all. The latter is more likely though. :yes: Take heed of my words because Syria has a rough future ahead of it.

 

[kiwimac]

Bit premature on blaming Assad, weren't you? Especially as it appears it was the rebels.

 

[Sirius Star]

Just wanted to clarify for non-Americans that the above is only true for a minority fringe of American conservatives. A majority of Americans have little to no respect (mostly the latter) for Mr. Buchanan.

That is all :yes:

That being said, I'm not commenting at all about whether Mr. Buchanan's questions are valid from the posted open letter (some of them are) -- I was just cringing from the thought that such a wingnut would be said to be "well-respected" by Americans or "Western civilization" (whatever that is).

So you are stating that 'most' Americans are in favor of the direction America is going and are opposed to Patrick Buchanan's statements. Never heard of this before.

Sounds more like time to bash Patrick J. Buchanan and Bashar Al-Assad's right to defend his nation from insurgent 'rebel' imports into his country.

Why cringe at something if one is duly capable of explaining their position? Seems Mr. Buchanan is quite capable of doing this, even in times of lively debate.

Non-Americans have nothing to say about America's domestic policy. Seems many come to the United States and sign up and collect benefits, and then some find something to complain about, rather than show any thankfulness. Such a so very terrible country. The United States.

The actual topic of this thread relates to the accusation that Bashar Al-Assad used chemical weapons.


"Syria: chemical weapons, Del Ponte accuses insurgents"

(ANSAmed) - GENEVA, MAY 6 - Leading United Nations investigator Carla Del Ponte has said rebels, rather than the regime of President Bashar al-Assad, could have used chemical weapons in the bloody Syrian conflict. Del Ponte, who serves on the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Syria investigating war crimes and human rights violations, said evidence so far examined by her panel suggested rebels could have used the nerve agent sarin.

 

[Assad91]

So you are stating that 'most' Americans are in favor of the direction America is going and are opposed to Patrick Buchanan's statements. Never heard of this before.

Either you hang out with too many white supremacist, or its a testament to the fact no one takes Buchanan serious (except a white supremacit)

 

[Assad91]

[SIZE=3Bashar Al-Assad's right to defend his nation from insurgent 'rebel' imports into his country.[/SIZE]

Well, you kind of screw many things up when you kill peaceful protesters after they decide to stand up to an oppressive, minority controlled government, which hasn't been particularly shy at massacring citizens.

Oh wait. Many think the people shouldn't have stood up, and continued to be passive like dogs to the oppressive handlers.

Non-Americans have nothing to say about America's domestic policy. Seems many come to the United States and sign up and collect benefits, and then some find something to complain about, rather than show any thankfulness. Such a so very terrible country. The United States.

What non-Americans? What are you talking about?

 

[Sirius Star]

Weill it appears that Assad has used WMD (saran) against the rebels. (Syrian officials deny use of chemical weapons: Fox News)

So what happens now. President Obama said that there was a red line that Assad could not cross and it appears that he has. President Obama is now in a very tough spot.

He makes a statement and if the US gets more involved it will become a quagmire that could lead to disastrous results. Then on the other hand if he does nothing, it says that the US and President Obama is a "Paper Tiger".

What kind of signal does this send to other countries that have a "Red Line"?

The Obama Administration is in a 'quagmire' only of its own creation. It has aided and abetted the wrong side this whole time.


Since it so seems it was the very terrorist 'rebels' who Obama has reportedly been supporting against President Bashar-Al Assad and the Syrian nation, where is Obama's Red Line now?

 

[Aquitaine]

Lets see, group A hates group B and wants them dead.

Group B hates group A and wants them dead as well.

So the solution is to insert group C which group A&B also hate?

I agree, sending American troops (or any other foreign military) to Syria is a bad idea. As is arming the different factions involved in the Civil war which my Government appears to be doing, much to my disapproval.

This is a matter for Syrians to sort out, leave them to it I say. :yes:

 

[Sirius Star]

Well, you kind of screw many things up when you kill peaceful protesters after they decide to stand up to an oppressive, minority controlled government, which hasn't been particularly shy at massacring citizens.

Oh wait. Many think the people shouldn't have stood up, and continued to be passive like dogs to the oppressive handlers.

What non-Americans? What are you talking about?

Surely, the use of accusations without the support of substantiated facts is what you seem to like to use.

A few 'protestors'...name names. Just as President Bashar Al-Assad asked of Barbara Walters.

Over and over and over again she attempted to draw him into admitting something he neither did nor was he aware of. She went over it how many times attempting to trap him inside of something?

Details are given to every word he spoke and has spoken.

Now, are you calling BASHAR AL-ASSAD a liar as well as a murderer, while it has been the Obama Administration who has supported the wrong side. Inside of a sovereign nation. While demanding at the same time that that same sovereign leader step down. For what the Obama Administration has been aiding and abetting.


Insurrection inside a sovereign nation
BROUGHT via OBAMA ADMINISTRATION
The aiding and abetting of insurrection
Yes, the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION

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Each, everyone
Who has been
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Using a whole other issue written by Patrick Buchanan to stir things up. Okay, done.

Which, by the way, was not that particular piece by Mr. Buchanan that you mentioned addressing something to do with the Obama Administration's failure to accomodate itself to the truth.

Since 1965 the Great Society of welfare benefits has show very little thankfulness for any of it. They are called 'entitlements', of which when one is having a difficult time or something. This is just a very so very basic tenet of Christian decency.


Save for the crime inside of the very cities helped and then 'helped' by it. The amount of drugs delivered and created inside of both black and white and hispanic communities.

Call it witchcraft
Black arts magic

The Gift of the Magi
Evil will go, "bye-bye"
Because Azuza Street
Is coming tut defeat
Every 'sacred' animosity

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Whereas a black man said that black people were much better off, at least economically, when they owned businesses separate from their purported white oppressors. He stated it was not until the Reconstruction governments came about that so much hate came between blacks and whites.

If you wish to continue with this, create a whole other thread. Or perhaps I will if you wish to continue.


The President's administration did not think it wrong of Robert Reich to discriminate against the white man in his testimony before Congress. Obama just loves Reverand Wright, too.


Now, venture to provide statistics of those supposed 'protestors'. Anyone can make an accusation; now back it up with facts.

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VS. THE AGE OF REASON

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MORSI REGIME

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