Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Maybe I should first ask as to primarily why the national anthem was purposely selected in the first place if there's no relevance to it?
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Taking a knee
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Maybe I should first ask as to primarily why the national anthem was purposely selected in the first place if there's no relevance to it?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Son, please. Did you and your fellow conservatives get behind Obama? Yeah, I thought not.
Trump isn't worthy of my respect nor he fit to lick my books.
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Lester Tryon
Member
So, standing as opposed to kneeling, during a song (which as pointed out above post #6 is not a part of their job) is fine with you? So, in other words, our constitutional rights are meaningless if it has the mere appearance of interfering with corporate profit? Very few people would have taken this anti-American stance, if it had not been for the vitriolic rhetoric spouted by conservatives. And, if something is tradition, then that makes it right and acceptable? I think the concept of placing the "flag" (a piece of colored cloth) above the rights, principles and values of our society, is disrespectful to us all.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Apparently, during WWI attendance at stadiums was down since people's focus had shifted toward things that were actually important. They discovered that, by turning the otherwise trivial and meaningless act of tossing and chasing of balls into a patriotic affair, they could bring attendance back up.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I didn't get behind all of Obama's policies of course.
However , I didn't entirely disagree with all that he did either as president. Even then I felt that conservatives should have attempted to reach their hands across on a few things that needed to be accomplished.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Vets swore to protect our rights and freedoms, so why would they be upset to see people practicing those rights and freedoms? What's truly disgraceful is worshiping a flag and a song while disregarding what the flag and song actually represent and stand for.
That we as a country firstly associate our flag with our military says a lot about us as a nation. As does our comfortable assumption that the American military has done anything for our our rights in the past 72 years, rather than fill some indifferent fatcat's pockets.
If the "song" is part of the venue they are paid to be part of, it's their job. It's not a constitutional right to flout that any more than I have a "constitutional right" to yell "bomb!" at work when there is no bomb.
The military has likely had a great deal to do with our liberty over the last 72 years.
Just not from any action it's taken, ie, nation building.
The deterrent power is its benefit.
Did I pay to enter the stadium? Do I know that traditionally the anthem is played before the kickoff? Then it's part of the game.
I'll add to this the inherent racism that protest is necessary because black folk
endure rights violations. With cop shootings being the apparent theme, it's false
to presume that blacks suffer disproportionately. It could be, but it's not so clear.....
No racial bias in police shootings, study by Harvard professor shows
Btw, I'd ditch the national anthem before games.
It's entertainment, not a military ceremony.
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You are nit picking over something that is much bigger than your convenience as a member of the audience.
Right now I'm way less concerned by how effective the deterrent is (especially since it's us stirring the pot then hiding behind it so much these days) and way more concerned with our dipping education, healthcare, etc. Wish we'd focus way more of the nation building on us instead of focusing on active deterrence while the yolk rots inside the egg shell.
averageJOE
zombie
The flag and the anthem are supposed to symbolize freedom. A freedom that every person in this country is supposed to have. But the fact of the matter is, is that we are NOT as free as you think. Don't believe me? Try this then, exercise your rights during a police interaction, like a DUI checkpoint, and you will see just how "free" you are. During a police interaction police expect, and most likely even demand, that you waive your rights and comply with their orders instead. (You'd be completely naive if you don't think people are arrested everyday for simply refusing to answer cops questions) Even most people have the mentality of "just do everything the cop says and answer all his questions and everything will be fine".
"Land of the free"? The feeling is is that police brutality and racial injustice is the real disrespect to the flag. And when they look around and see people standing to the anthem they see a charade. A charade because we are not free as long as cops are allowed to imprison, beat, assault, even kill innocent people, with little to no consequence.
As a military police veteran of 11 years I agree with the protesters.
Without a deterrent to being conquered, it doesn't matter much what else is done.
But defense is cheaper than a nation building oriented military.
I don't have a problem with that. A game is not a national event that the national anthem should be played. But it is currently played, and unless and until the NFL drops it, I believe the tradition of standing for it should be followed.
We don't need the gluttonous mass of military spending to be a deterrent. Other nations with small fractions of our military are doing just fine. But I agree that the global policing effort is the main thing that needs to end.
I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said.
Lester Tryon
Member
No. They are football players, they are paid to play a game. The pre-game entertainment, does not fall within the purview of playing football. Thank goodness, as I doubt anyone would want to hear most of the players sing the anthem. The yelling "bomb" is a false equivalency. That is illegal, like yelling "fire" in a crowded movie theater. Those are among the few exceptions to the first amendment and due to safety issues. I don't know your political leanings, but the arguments here, remind me of asking a conservative about their feelings about any given issue and the response being "What about Benghazi?" or any other misdirection, to avoid the actual issue. We don't live in North Korea. I would not live under a dictatorship. These are not just words. I will die fighting before giving up my constitutional rights, and would do so for yours as well.