tytlyf
Not Religious
What was the Tim Tebow controversy?
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Taking a knee
- Thread starter averageJOE
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averageJOE
zombie
tytlyf
Not Religious
The president did this to himself. He should start tweeting about PR and not the NFL. It's clear Trump doesn't want to help PR. Trump's idea of help is dropping off food/water and letting PR figure the rest out. One of his latest tweets mentioned that.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Have you not been paying attention? These protests were going on well before Trump was even elected. If you don't even know what's going on, don't bother chiming in.
esmith
Veteran Member
Oh I know what's going on and I do not agree with any of it. I feel that there are better avenues to express ones objections. Just being my typical obnoxious self as it is my right to do so. If I watched football on TV or in person(which I'm not) I would be watching to enjoy a sport not to be embroiled in a political protest. As far as your comment "don't bother chiming in" goes directly against what you seem to be supporting.....my right to free speech. Or is it that only speech that one agrees with can be allowed.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Where did I suggest that you should be prevented from posting?
Actually what I said was it has about as much to do with the troops as it does judge Judy, but hey, if oversimplification and cheap calls to emotion is the game you want to play then you do you. I'm going to address the issues actually being protested rather then find some unrelated excuse to be offended. (I thought that was supposed to be the other side's job?)
esmith
Veteran Member
Mister Silver
Faith's Nightmare
I personally think overly patriotic individuals complaining about footballers taking the knee is the problem.
tytlyf
Not Religious
That's because those overly patriotic individuals all get their information from the same GOP elitists fooling them. Turn on GOP media, they're telling their 'patriots' that the people kneeling hate the military and America. Repeating it all day, every day.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
So by making a suggestion or recommendation I've violated your rights?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
It reveals how messed up our society is when a sizable portion of the population think that cloth and balls are a higher priority than inequality and injustice.
*sigh*
Trump himself is not being protested.
The original protest, as started by Kaepernick, was regarding racial injustice, particularly excessive police force against black people.
That's been going on for over a year, with minor coverage and the occasional outrage on Facebook.
The current "uproar" was caused by Trump calling for players to be fired for protesting. Players and owners banded together, not against Trump, but against the idea that they ought to be silenced, and in support of their first Ammendment rights.
Additionally, by bringing attention to the original protest, Trump spread the message that a protest was even happening, so those who didn't know about it before and want to support the original cause, know to do so now.
So, to recap, the ranks of protesters were swelled by those wishing to support the original protest as well as those who wish to support the Right of people to protest. Trump caused the "uproar", by bringing attention to the issue and by attempting to curtail freedom of speech, but is not the focus of it.
He was rather showy with his religious displays. There was grumbling from the Left and he was hailed a hero by the Right. AFAIK that's about it.
averageJOE
zombie
What are these "better avenues"? Handing out flyers?
tytlyf
Not Religious
Got a source to share over this controversy? Were people upset and booing at stadiums or something?
I don't think it ever got that rowdy. The battles, as I recall, were mostly held via Facebook memes, both for and against.
Here's a more comprehensive article: A Clash of Faith and Football.
tytlyf
Not Religious
I remember that. People said he was playing the christian card so people would overlook his lacking football talents. I wonder why he wouldn't just pray at home when he woke up instead of making a public display of prayer. The bible forbids public displays of prayer.
Maponos
Welcome to the Opera
That's abhorrently disrespectful of people who have fought for you defense and freedom (assuming you live in the US).
Because it's not about them.
Flags mean far more than what you seem to know.
averageJOE
zombie
As long as you understand that this was never about veterans, the flag itself, or the anthem.