Tara Reade who accuses Biden of sexual assault now fears for her life.

[SkepticThinker]

There are those that claim if it were not for Christianity that they would do all sorts of evil things. To me that always sounded like hyperbole. But when people cannot understand the simple concept of rape I start to think that they may be right about themselves.

I've encountered at least two religious people now (from different religions, mind you) who don't seem to think that having someone use your body against your will is rape. This is all while I'm being called an evil, immoral atheist. Well, if that's what religion has to offer, they can keep it. Yuck.

 

[We Never Know]

Biden accuser Tara Reade posts cryptic message about death before potentially testifying to Congress

Biden accuser Tara Reade posted a cryptic message on Twitter ahead of a potential congressional hearing where she hopes to testify that Biden sexually assaulted her in the 1990s.

news.yahoo.com

"Anything that happens... all roads lead to Biden".

Trumps case is over.

Bidens case just seems to get started now.

Here's a question....

Bob and Sally are alone and have consentual sex.
Afterwords Bob snubs her because he got what he wanted.
Sally then cries rape because she is hurt and feels used.

How can you prove Bob didn't rape her?

 

[Revoltingest]

Here's a question....

Bob and Sally are alone and have consentual sex.
Afterwords Bob snubs her because he got what he wanted.
Sally then cries rape because she is hurt and feels used.

How can you prove Bob didn't rape her?

It's terrible that men accused of rape sometimes
have the burden of proving their innocence.
In such cases, dumb luck can serve one well,
eg, surveillance cameras showing the claim
of rape to be bogus.

 

[nPeace]

I am curious. Do you think a person should stop in the middle of having sex if their partner asks them to?

We are talking about "partners"... as in people who agreed to have sex, and are having sex, right?
Though, I do not agree that unmarried people are partners, I will answer your question from the point of view of what's common in this world.

I cannot say what people "should" do, but what a loving spouse does - that, is, consider the feelings of their mate... in all things - not just sex. Our discussion isn't about ethics though, is it?

On the other hand, those in the world exhibit qualities other than love, like selfishness, etc.
So when two people agree to sex, the thought of each other's feelings is often the last thing on their mind.
They are just having sex. So, whether, one considers foreplay as important, or not, is not on the "list of things to do".
So, whether discomfort follows or not, may not be a problem to one or the other.
Stopping, therefore, may not be to them, something they "should" do.

For example, during sex, the guy says, "Wait. Wait. Stop."
The girl continues. Is she guilty of rape - the subject we are on?
What if she's having an orgasm, and feeling too 'sexy' to stop?

 

[Subduction Zone]

We are talking about "partners"... as in people who agreed to have sex, and are having sex, right?
Though, I do not agree that unmarried people are partners, I will answer your question from the point of view of what' common in this world.

I cannot say what people "should" do, but what a loving spouse does - that, is, consider the feelings of their mate... in all things - not just sex. Our discussion isn't about ethics though, is it?

On the other hand, those in the world exhibit qualities other than love, like selfishness, etc.
So when two people agree to sex, the thought of each other's feelings is often the last thing on their mind.
They are just having sex. So, whether, one considers foreplay as important, or not, is not on the "list of things to do".
So, whether discomfort follows or not, may not be a problem to one or the other.
Stopping, therefore, may not be to them, something they "should" do.

For example, during sex, the guy says, "Wait. Wait. Stop."
The girl continues. Is she guilty of rape - the subject we are on?
What if she's having an orgasm, and feeling too 'sexy' to stop?

OK. Who has never had a serious girlfriend?

 

[Watchmen]

View attachment 76621
“Miss me yet?”

No.

 

[nPeace]

My wife and I are polyamorous. The girl I mentioned earlier that I decided not to have sex with was not my spouse, but we had all agreed beforehand that I could have sex with her.

Keep in mind too, there is marital rape. You can be raped by a spouse, even if you love them.

While having sex? How.?
You might get the cold shoulder, and have to sleep on the couch, because you were inconsiderate
If you beat your wife, it's battery. Your wife might want to keep far away from you, after that... unless you were drunk, and she understands you have a problem.

Before having sex?
To be convicted of rape the defendant must engage in an act of sexual intercourse with the person, the person must not be the spouse of defendant, the act of intercourse must be against the will of the person, and the act must be accomplished by force

...that no rape occurs under these circumstances does not preclude the perpetrator from being found guilty of another crime or crimes warranted by the evidence. Consent at the moment of penetration does not give the male a license to commit any act of force upon the female. It has been held that while withdrawn consent after penetration or during the act of sexual intercourse negates a rape, the male may be guilty of another crime, such as assault or battery.

As you said though, they are trying to change these laws.

It's not about just feelings. It's about the person asserting their bodily autonomy and communicating that they don't want it to continue. If you consent to sex you consent that the sex can stop.

The sex can stop. The sex is not rape though. Is it?

He should. After she says stop and he continues, he is then engaging in sex by force.

If he is using force during sex, at what point does it become sex by force? After the woman says stop?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

The sex can stop. The sex is not rape though. Is it?

Consensual sex is not rape. If, however, a person retracts consent during sex, to continue to have sex with them would be rape. That doesn't mean the sex you have already had is or was rape.

If he is using force during sex, at what point does it become sex by force? After the woman says stop?

At the moment the partner no longer consents to it, yes.

 

[Revoltingest]

Consensual sex is not rape. If, however, a person retracts consent during sex, to continue to have sex with them would be rape. That doesn't mean the sex you have already had is or was rape.


At the moment the partner no longer consents to it, yes.

Consent can be a tricky issue.
It varies somewhat by state. Acts between 2 people
could be legal in one, yet land one in prison in another.
Liberty vs severe penalty is based upon the random
chance of where one lives.

Child sexual abuse laws in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Excerpted...
Minors' inability to consent[edit]
Between adults, most sexual activity does not constitute a criminal offense, unless one of the adults does not consent to the activity. In contrast, minors are unable to give consent under the law. Indeed, the term "minor" refers to a person who has not yet reached majority, the age at which one may give consent in any legal matter (for example, a minor cannot make a valid contract).[7] However, actual laws and the maximum ages that constitute breach of law vary by state. A person engaging in sexual activity with a minor below these proscribed ages (16–18), regardless of that minor's seeming "consent" or compliance, commits an offense (terminology varies). In most states, much more severe offenses and/or sentences exist for cases with young children, approximately under 12–13.

Many states[8] include in their penal codes a "Romeo and Juliet" exception for cases where sexual activity occurs between a young adult and a minor whose ages are within a few years of each other.[9] This exception typically bars charging the young adult with a sex offense, if the young adult did not use force or coercion on the minor and the minor is a teenager.[10]

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Consent can be a tricky issue.
It varies somewhat by state. Acts between 2 people
could be legal in one, yet land one in prison in another.
Liberty vs severe penalty is based upon the random
chance of where one lives.

Child sexual abuse laws in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Excerpted...
Minors' inability to consent[edit]
Between adults, most sexual activity does not constitute a criminal offense, unless one of the adults does not consent to the activity. In contrast, minors are unable to give consent under the law. Indeed, the term "minor" refers to a person who has not yet reached majority, the age at which one may give consent in any legal matter (for example, a minor cannot make a valid contract).[7] However, actual laws and the maximum ages that constitute breach of law vary by state. A person engaging in sexual activity with a minor below these proscribed ages (16–18), regardless of that minor's seeming "consent" or compliance, commits an offense (terminology varies). In most states, much more severe offenses and/or sentences exist for cases with young children, approximately under 12–13.

Many states[8] include in their penal codes a "Romeo and Juliet" exception for cases where sexual activity occurs between a young adult and a minor whose ages are within a few years of each other.[9] This exception typically bars charging the young adult with a sex offense, if the young adult did not use force or coercion on the minor and the minor is a teenager.[10]

I'm making more of a moral argument, but legally you're right.

Aren't there still states where they don't recognise rape between a husband and wife?

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm making more of a moral argument, but legally you're right.

Aren't there still states where they don't recognise rape between a husband and wife?

I've not looked into it.

 

[SkepticThinker]

We are talking about "partners"... as in people who agreed to have sex, and are having sex, right?
Though, I do not agree that unmarried people are partners, I will answer your question from the point of view of what's common in this world.

I cannot say what people "should" do, but what a loving spouse does - that, is, consider the feelings of their mate... in all things - not just sex. Our discussion isn't about ethics though, is it?

On the other hand, those in the world exhibit qualities other than love, like selfishness, etc.
So when two people agree to sex, the thought of each other's feelings is often the last thing on their mind.
They are just having sex. So, whether, one considers foreplay as important, or not, is not on the "list of things to do".
So, whether discomfort follows or not, may not be a problem to one or the other.
Stopping, therefore, may not be to them, something they "should" do.

You've got a rather bizarre view of sexual relations, imo.

Why would you think that the "last thing on their mind" when engaging in sex with someone is the other person's feelings?
Why would you think that sex is suppposed to hurt?
Why can you never just answer the question being asked?

By the way, we're talking about withdrawing consent once it's been granted.

For example, during sex, the guy says, "Wait. Wait. Stop."
The girl continues. Is she guilty of rape - the subject we are on?
What if she's having an orgasm, and feeling too 'sexy' to stop?

I would stop. Wouldn't you?

Then again, I actually care about the feelings of the person I'm having sex with.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Consensual sex is not rape. If, however, a person retracts consent during sex, to continue to have sex with them would be rape. That doesn't mean the sex you have already had is or was rape.


At the moment the partner no longer consents to it, yes.

Exactly! I have no idea why this is such a difficult concept to grasp, for some.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Consent can be a tricky issue.
It varies somewhat by state. Acts between 2 people
could be legal in one, yet land one in prison in another.
Liberty vs severe penalty is based upon the random
chance of where one lives.

Child sexual abuse laws in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Excerpted...
Minors' inability to consent[edit]
Between adults, most sexual activity does not constitute a criminal offense, unless one of the adults does not consent to the activity. In contrast, minors are unable to give consent under the law. Indeed, the term "minor" refers to a person who has not yet reached majority, the age at which one may give consent in any legal matter (for example, a minor cannot make a valid contract).[7] However, actual laws and the maximum ages that constitute breach of law vary by state. A person engaging in sexual activity with a minor below these proscribed ages (16–18), regardless of that minor's seeming "consent" or compliance, commits an offense (terminology varies). In most states, much more severe offenses and/or sentences exist for cases with young children, approximately under 12–13.

Many states[8] include in their penal codes a "Romeo and Juliet" exception for cases where sexual activity occurs between a young adult and a minor whose ages are within a few years of each other.[9] This exception typically bars charging the young adult with a sex offense, if the young adult did not use force or coercion on the minor and the minor is a teenager.[10]

Which is why USC still felt justified in expelling Armaan Premjee. Luckily they came to their senses (perhaps being forced to pay Premjee's attorney fees had something to do with it):

https://titleixforall.com/in-civil-suit-usc-reinstates-armann-premjee-following-recent-court-of-appeals-defeat/

"Eight months later, USC’s Office of Equity & Diversity (OED) found Premjee guilty anyway and expelled him. He had six credits left before graduation. In addition to disregarding the video evidence, USC did not allow his attorney and advisor Harland Braun to speak during administrative hearings. When Braun attempted to anyway USC showed him the door and, per a USC statement, told him to instead “send another lawyer from his firm or another individual of his client’s choosing” if Premjee wished to continue having an advisor."

And it should warm the cockles of your heart that Premjee sued the LAPD too. I need to do a little more searching. But like the Duke case this should have been nipped in the bud early:

USC reinstates former student to reopen Title IX investigation - Daily Trojan

In light of recent California court rulings requiring new investigative procedures, Judge Elizabeth White granted USC’s request to halt legal proceedings on Premjee’s appeal at the case hearing on Dec. 18.

dailytrojan.com

"
According to Harland Braun, Premjee’s criminal defense attorney, the female student made sexual hand gestures behind Premjee’s back, which Premjee interpreted as consent.

“She’s basically signalling over his head to her girl friend that she wants to have sex with him,” Braun said. “That evidence is so clear. It’s on video.”

The Los Angeles Police Department, however, failed to disclose the video footage to witnesses during questioning, according to Braun.

In response, Premjee filed a lawsuit against the city of Los Angeles and the LAPD in June for their handling of his sexual assault case, accusing both of civil rights violations, malicious prosecution, negligence and false imprisonment.

According to the lawsuit, LAPD detectives Oscar Gamino and Carla Zuniga acted with “deliberate indifference to or reckless disregard for an accused’s rights for the truth in withholding evidence from prosecutors” and “suppressed exculpatory evidence."

 

[nPeace]

Consensual sex is not rape. If, however, a person retracts consent during sex, to continue to have sex with them would be rape. That doesn't mean the sex you have already had is or was rape.


At the moment the partner no longer consents to it, yes.

How does a person who is having consensual sex, know that a person "retracts consent", or "no longer consents to it"?

 

[fantome profane]

How does a person who is having consensual sex, know that a person "retracts consent", or "no longer consents to it"?

If that person says stop, you know they no longer consent.

If someone says stop, stop.

 

[nPeace]

If that person says stop, you know they no longer consent.

Really? You don't seriously believe that. Do you?
You mean like this. STOP! STOP!

If someone says stop, stop.

During sex, the guy says, "Stop."
The girl continues. Is she guilty of rape?

 

[fantome profane]

Really? You don't seriously believe that. Do you?
You mean like this. STOP! STOP!

During sex, the guy says, "Stop."
The girl continues. Is she guilty of rape?

Yes.

How many times does this need to be explained to you?

 

[Father Heathen]

You don't seriously believe that.

Anyone who isn't a sick sociopath believes that.

 

[nPeace]

Anyone who isn't a sick sociopath believes that.

You seem to have much to say about others, but really caring to take the time to look at the facts, helps alleviate the judgmental mentality.