Tastes and Preferences: Curious about why you choose what you choose!

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

"Can you say which you personally have a taste preference for? Like, we can't say if anything is truly better than something else (these days), but we can give arguments for why we think one is better or prefer one over the other, like I've said a few times in this thread, my personal preference and taste gravitates me towards the writing, content, and style of the Qur'an or any fragment or quote that I've read so far (translated into English) attributed to Baha'u'llah. The differences in tastes and preferences and how they occur is a topic which really interests me and which I'd like to establish or receive some theories about why those differences in tastes and preferences and thus choices may occur."

It was suggested to me to make a new thread with this as the topic, from a comment made in my "Questions for Bahai" thread.
Questions for knowledgeable Bahai / followers of Baha'u'llah

So, throughout that thread, I've been saying things that are asking about why people end up being able to believe certain things while others can't or don't, and what creates those differences in tastes or blocks people from accepting or preferring certain things?

I'd also like to know everyone's tastes, everyone's religions currently, how you ruled out everything else, go on a journey with me through explaining all of the factors you think contributed to your choice and choices and how you ended up with your beliefs or non-beliefs and practices connected to those or what you ended up doing or abandoning.

This is not just for religious people but also the non-religious and the atheists.

What are things you ended up not liking or being annoyed or even disgusted by? What are things you really liked and love and were excited by?

Why are you what you are (what are you?) and why are you not anything else or the other things (what are the other options and can you rank them from the next best and so on and why?).

This is a forum, and I expect and want lots of writing, I really dislike cryptic brief little answers that reveal practically nothing, why even contribute if that is all you want to say on a matter? I'd like to ask that people don't annoy me with such things like thoughtless answers with few words or quick quips or brief jokes or whatever, just shush, it doesn't impress me or even amuse me much (and I doubt anyone really cares much either).

So give it a good and long and thorough go in exploring your psychology, your tastes, your preferences, and even provide arguments for why you believe your way is the right-most and best-est of all the ways (or else, what is the right-most and best-est and why you don't actually follow it or really believe it is or else you would be following it or make your excuses).

What makes you believe what you do? What have you experienced? What are your proofs? What is your reasoning? Why do the other things not appeal to you? What did you start out with or as or grow up under? How did that influence you later in your opinion or understanding if you actually think about it deeply?

I happen to love introspection, self-exploration, and exposing myself and my thoughts, and that is how I feel people can get to really know me, and more importantly, I can get to know myself!

So, could you give it a try? If you're not willing to give it a proper or thorough full sort of try, then don't even post here please, it annoys me a lot when people are just being disappointing seeming and don't want to talk about themselves or tell the truth and are just cowardly about facing the mirror and telling the truth for once!

I'd also like to know what you people might think of my beliefs and ideas as far as you have heard them and understood them from my controversial and obnoxious seeming posts so far (if you've seen any).

You can also ask me stuff and I can give you pretty thorough explanations for everything I think and believe and why and why I think its best or better, why the other things in my opinion aren't as good or up to par or annoy me. That is the same I expect from you all.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Part 2:

As a brief explanation though, my basic religious beliefs (and politics can be brought up in this thread too if they play a big part in your thinking and life):

I believe in God as the power generating my experiences in every detail or nuance without my deliberate control or real influence on my part. I don't believe or know anything much except that there is experience and what I credit as ultimately responsible for experience is what I call God or use the term God for, so that is pretty darn simple and straightforward, and experience is undeniable that it exists in some for (I also call it information sometimes, but no matter what I say, it seems to never be understood or confuse people in my experience, which I deem as God making my life an annoying living hell of alienation and disappointment). My beliefs are extremely difficult to counter, because "experience" or "stuff happening" in any sense or the vaguest possible sense is completely undeniable for any living being with sense, words, truth, to deny that there is experience that is happening, that there is apparent change and all that. So no one can convince me that while I am experiencing "there is nothing, there is no apparent change visible between moments or information experienced moment to moment, there is no experience", no freaking way, since even if one was deaf, dumb, and blind, one would still be experiencing their thoughts, their change in thoughts, the differences or impression of differences between what was just before in their thoughts and just after seemingly.

That I say "Whatever is responsible for my experience" is what I call "God" makes "God" to be an almost arbitrary term or designation, it doesn't matter what one calls it, the point is the definition "Whatever is actually responsible for experience", which happens to be at least in any reasonable or clear way not in our conscious or deliberate control at all, so we ourselves can not be held reasonably responsible for it if we think about how things seem to be occurring.

I believe that all this that we are experiencing this moment, is just a moment, and then a moment, and a moment, and like a transforming shape made up of differing pixels projected, each "shot" is a new generated creation or experience which we are and that anything at all can totally convincingly be projected in these, almost like a dream and the facts of a dream which seem true or understood at the time and have their own apparent accepted history even though its just made up that moment. So that right now, in an instant, you could be made to feel, think, be, see practically almost anything at all, and even believe it and not think or know anything else. You could in the next moment be something entirely different, and wouldn't even be able to tell if you weren't allowed to or supposed to. That is total and utter control of whatever you think you are and all coming from something you can't really control or do much of anything about, that great "whatever" controlling whatever you happen to experience, whatever it happens to generate that particular moment and tell you that its you doing this or that or thinking this or that or seeing this or that right now.

That means, when I'm asking you all for something, like I am in this thread, what I'm really asking for can be translated as or is understood by me as "asking God to generate me experiencing such and such being said by people" and also asking you to look into what you have been made to experience, what you seem to be being put through according to you and your current impressions of memory and feelings now.

Now, even though my beliefs are extremely simple and refined to the point of being almost pointless seeming, there is still more, but that more is about tastes and opinions, and the whole story of my supposed history, upbringing, my reasoning, consequences and reactions, a chain of events, all that stuff which by these higher standards mentioned as essential, may in a sense be entirely illusory and imposed upon me just this moment anyway.

I still, for the sake of normal interactions, concede to the normal or standard understanding of this experience being made up of supposed apparent cause and effect and reactions and sequences of events in chronological order and all that, even if I secretly consider that all just made up in this moment or whatever moment it seems to exist with no way to verify it or know if it really is so or was so. So I give in to completely normal interactions and expectations like most of us all accept and cooperate with to "play the game" and have the interactions with normal people, even though I secretly might not think any of you are "really anything or all that real, but just God and God's puppets, saying and doing whatever God makes you say, existing only in my experience as you do as far as I am aware or can know at all".

I can also explore the psychological impact and influence that such thinking has had on me, my behaviors, my interactions, my efforts, just as I enjoy exploring the seeming influences that others report of their own thinking and actions and their consequences or results.

Feel free to discuss anything regarding tastes and your justifications for them, but since this is a religious forum, you can also keep bringing it back to religious or non-religious thinking and opinions and why you think those are best, why you adopt them, what they do, and why you think you ended up gravitating towards them, having an affinity for them, or choosing them.

I am also interested in symbols you may be attracted to or apply to yourself or consider almost like a personal modern heraldry, like some people might have chosen a picture of a cat, or some people might be Trans Women and choose images of female cartoon characters and what that might represent or why in their opinion if they really thoroughly psychologize and analyze their thoughts and possible motivations and deep reasonings.

I love that stuff.

I would like to know what you believe, why you believe it, what you think and expect the outcome of those beliefs will be and why, and how you find that it might be influencing your life and interactions.

I am somewhat of an "absurdist" and "humorist", I mostly live life with a tone of humor and comedy and absurdity and silliness, and even if I'm irritable, I laugh quite a lot all throughout the day or find lots of things very funny even if they are irritating as well or irritate me or I'm angry about them, even my anger is quite often also funny to me, which keeps me fully involved while being semi-detached through also seeing how things are idiotic and ridiculous (in my opinion), which also might lead to some degree of partial coldness about things that people might consider worthy of more sincere distress or emotion. It could be that this developed from dealing with a dramatic family that is often emerging with some new drama or tale, but also that they were also not very serious people and full of ridiculous humor at almost all times, with no barrier between laughing and religion and sanctity and inappropriateness of time or place or anything, just constant mockery and joking which I grew up with and participated in and was dominant in also, so that almost no topic or subject was left alone without some sort of sly laughter involved.

My personal symbol, or one or two that seem to have long connected to me a lot, besides the Coyote from an extremely early age, are the Fox very prominently and the Tiger, but there are many others as well, but the Fox has really been one of the most prominent associations made with me and used by me throughout my life and with people also thinking of me in association with the Fox animal quite frequently, so that it is basically like my symbolic representation or heraldic animal symbol.

You all might even have one yourselves if you think about it, and from my perspective, it has been given to you by what I call God, and I'd like to hear all about it and take it as a matter of serious interest, even what colors you seem to wear or have surrounding you in your homes or which seem very prominently noticed by you or used by you, or things you keep seeing or hearing among people or in the media or in your own explorations and researches or leisure, all that is of a particular interest to me because of my belief that it stems from a chaotic and free intelligence beyond your deliberate decision or control really, yet gives to some certain symbols, and these symbols almost seem to make them out to be part of certain factions or "types" in some ways, which might also have natural friendships with other categories or themed individuals and opposition to others, so I like to look into everything that I can, however weird.

Lets take for example "Rival", an interesting choice of name, who has selected to identify as "Noahide" and also has for their picture a particular type of dog which also has a specific set of colors and impressions (even of weather, temperature, and a whole lot of themes, softness, warmth, coldness, black & white), is an administrator or mod that deals particularly with rules, policies, and laws, and acts as a kind of guard dog as well, with certain loyalties.

Now think of yourselves and your own stories and the narratives you can make from all the clues you are projecting quite often possibly.

There is Fire-Dragon also, who was the one who suggested I make this thread (or probably had something else in mind, but here it is), what are they all about? Why? What is that fire and dragon stuff and their color choices even for the image? Its all absolutely fascinating!

If one explores my image, there is a lot that can be made of it as well, and out of all I say and admit to and show and talk about. You could be having a ton of fun! I hope this is enjoyable for some of you, and for whoever can make more out of things, please, write here your entire story and reasoning and justifications and narrative for why you are what you are, why you believe what you believe, what you believe, and all the symbols and self-representations you can think of and why you prefer this or that as far as you are aware or can make a true story of how it came to be and what you think it might be about on various levels.

Come to Know Me, as I'd like to Know You, and the best thing to Know, and maybe the only thing to Know, is:

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[Jayhawker Soule]

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This is a forum, and I expect and want lots of writing, I really dislike cryptic brief little answers that reveal practically nothing, why even contribute if that is all you want to say on a matter?

You also clearly dislike brief, well formed sentences and brief coherent posts.

So, briefly, what do you mean by "tastes and preferences" and what does it have to do with religious debate?

 

[firedragon]

"Can you say which you personally have a taste preference for? Like, we can't say if anything is truly better than something else (these days), but we can give arguments for why we think one is better or prefer one over the other, like I've said a few times in this thread, my personal preference and taste gravitates me towards the writing, content, and style of the Qur'an or any fragment or quote that I've read so far (translated into English) attributed to Baha'u'llah. The differences in tastes and preferences and how they occur is a topic which really interests me and which I'd like to establish or receive some theories about why those differences in tastes and preferences and thus choices may occur."

It was suggested to me to make a new thread with this as the topic, from a comment made in my "Questions for Bahai" thread.
Questions for knowledgeable Bahai / followers of Baha'u'llah

So, throughout that thread, I've been saying things that are asking about why people end up being able to believe certain things while others can't or don't, and what creates those differences in tastes or blocks people from accepting or preferring certain things?

I'd also like to know everyone's tastes, everyone's religions currently, how you ruled out everything else, go on a journey with me through explaining all of the factors you think contributed to your choice and choices and how you ended up with your beliefs or non-beliefs and practices connected to those or what you ended up doing or abandoning.

This is not just for religious people but also the non-religious and the atheists.

What are things you ended up not liking or being annoyed or even disgusted by? What are things you really liked and love and were excited by?

Why are you what you are (what are you?) and why are you not anything else or the other things (what are the other options and can you rank them from the next best and so on and why?).

This is a forum, and I expect and want lots of writing, I really dislike cryptic brief little answers that reveal practically nothing, why even contribute if that is all you want to say on a matter? I'd like to ask that people don't annoy me with such things like thoughtless answers with few words or quick quips or brief jokes or whatever, just shush, it doesn't impress me or even amuse me much (and I doubt anyone really cares much either).

So give it a good and long and thorough go in exploring your psychology, your tastes, your preferences, and even provide arguments for why you believe your way is the right-most and best-est of all the ways (or else, what is the right-most and best-est and why you don't actually follow it or really believe it is or else you would be following it or make your excuses).

What makes you believe what you do? What have you experienced? What are your proofs? What is your reasoning? Why do the other things not appeal to you? What did you start out with or as or grow up under? How did that influence you later in your opinion or understanding if you actually think about it deeply?

I happen to love introspection, self-exploration, and exposing myself and my thoughts, and that is how I feel people can get to really know me, and more importantly, I can get to know myself!

So, could you give it a try? If you're not willing to give it a proper or thorough full sort of try, then don't even post here please, it annoys me a lot when people are just being disappointing seeming and don't want to talk about themselves or tell the truth and are just cowardly about facing the mirror and telling the truth for once!

I'd also like to know what you people might think of my beliefs and ideas as far as you have heard them and understood them from my controversial and obnoxious seeming posts so far (if you've seen any).

You can also ask me stuff and I can give you pretty thorough explanations for everything I think and believe and why and why I think its best or better, why the other things in my opinion aren't as good or up to par or annoy me. That is the same I expect from you all.

One thing you should know is Brother that I truly respect your patience and humility.

I was born a Muslim in the Sunni tradition predominantly following the Shafi school of thought. I like to think I grew out of it.

The first book on theology I read was the Quran. The second book I loved to read was an evangelical book on the JW's theology. It was a small book an intrigued me immensely. It had pictures, and the writing was fantastic. Well, I was a kid at the time. Life takes you through many people and a lot of things push you in various paths. Thats why your question in this thread is probably the most difficult to answer pragmatically.

Why am I a Muslim? The answer would take a book. Trying to put it in a nutshell is an uphill battle.

The Qur'an is the reason for my faith. In my opinion it is the most coherent book and is a recitation. Though its written down in paper it was meant to be a recitation. Quran means recitation. If you practice any type of criticism on the text of the Quran, it stands against them all in my opinion. It is a 7th century work, written by one man. Not two, but one. Thus the book needs a holistic look, not a verse by verse exegesis like most do. Even Muslims when they discuss with people of other faiths they will take it as one book, but in their theology they take it as a book written one verse or segments at a time. But I like to think of it as one book, one revelation, and that's the basis of my faith. In a nutshell, this is why I am a Muslim.

Its not enough I understand as a reason. But there is a lot in this statement that I made to me. And this is a very rare occurrence explaining why I am what I am, yet since your language is that humble I did not have a choice really.

Maybe you could ask me concise questions and I will respond further. Hope that's okay with you.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

You also clearly dislike brief, well formed sentences and brief coherent posts.

So, briefly, what do you mean by "tastes and preferences" and what does it have to do with religious debate?

Why does one, for example, prefer the style of the English translation of the Qur'an and believe it as compared to the writings of Baha'u'llah in translation, which others might prefer.

Why does one, for example, prefer the style of the English translation of the Bible, and believe it as compared to the English translation of the Vedas, which others might prefer.

Debating the points as to why one prefers one or the other or thinks it is better, more useful, or superior (which is why it is imagined that they prefer it).

Are my sentences not well-formed? They are meant to resemble actual speech and free thinking and dialogue, like how one might speak conversationally to someone else. So in real life dialogue, people sort of don't speak in really brief sentences always, but sort of flow on and on about things they are talking about or thinking about. So my sentences might not look like the type you usually see online, but are meant to resemble and also encourage lengthier and more free dialogue and un-edited thought and dialogue straight from the mind.

So in that sense, I consider the sentences to be "well-formed", or as any bad artist may say to critics "I meant for it to be that way".

Everything I say, as far as I'm concerned, is pretty lucid and coherent, and if you're having trouble with anything in particular, I can re-explain or help explain it to you. Also, if you find a sentence a little too cumbersome and wordy or difficult to follow or get lost as it runs on, you can ask for a clarification, but if you lack any interest then you can simply avoid wasting my time and hit the road jack.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

For lack of better words, I was born smart and brainy, somehow, into a religious family that didn't really value education that wasn't Bible college. I had a mostly Christian upbringing. If it were looked at today instead of back then, people would probably even call it a far right upbringing despite Trump and co not being around. I never really expressed much emotion growing up. I could have had a touch of mental illness even then. And I had a lot of fear from my mom trying to instill beliefs like fear of an eternal hell into me, whether or not I believed them. Because I was raised with rules and discipline and it didn't always work out for me, I prefer religions with few dogmatic rules and little discipline. But to continue my life story....

When I was about 21, I had been overdosing on caffeine pills as well as drink related caffeine. I had a stressful job involving product reviews that paid based on 'clicks'. I had a caffeine crash. For some reason, and I can't explain why completely, the doctors determined I now had schizophrenia. I am now 31. Over time I've made tremendous progress. Around 27 gender dysphoria cropped up. I did show some signs of liking girl game characters earlier in life, but other than that, it is a more recent thing. However, my transformation is kind of making me happy for the first time in my life. So far.

I made a pretty broken boy. Sometimes I was emo. Sometimes I had a morbid sense of humor and felt there was little to look forward to. Sometimes I really was this kind and talkative guy, yet I didn't match the things expected of a man.

As for what I think of your posts, I like you and I'm just seeing the people who don't, seem to be trying to analyze/read your posts just a little too fast. But that's just what I think.

Oh, and I need to mention that schizophrenia got into the way of my cognitive abilities a bit, or the caffeine crash did. I'm no longer really that brainy.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Why does one, for example, prefer the style of the English translation of the Qur'an and believe it as compared to the writings of Baha'u'llah in translation, which others might prefer.

Why does one, for example, prefer the style of the English translation of the Bible, and believe it as compared to the English translation of the Vedas, which others might prefer.

Debating the points as to why one prefers one or the other or thinks it is better, more useful, or superior (which is why it is imagined that they prefer it).

Are my sentences not well-formed? They are meant to resemble actual speech and free thinking and dialogue, like how one might speak conversationally to someone else. So in real life dialogue, people sort of don't speak in really brief sentences always, but sort of flow on and on about things they are talking about or thinking about. So my sentences might not look like the type you usually see online, but are meant to resemble and also encourage lengthier and more free dialogue and un-edited thought and dialogue straight from the mind.

So in that sense, I consider the sentences to be "well-formed", or as any bad artist may say to critics "I meant for it to be that way".

Everything I say, as far as I'm concerned, is pretty lucid and coherent, and if you're having trouble with anything in particular, I can re-explain or help explain it to you. Also, if you find a sentence a little too cumbersome and wordy or difficult to follow or get lost as it runs on, you can ask for a clarification, but if you lack any interest then you can simply avoid wasting my time and hit the road jack.

Given those options, I'll hit the road, Jack.

 

[Secret Chief]

I really dislike cryptic brief little answers that reveal practically nothing, why even contribute if that is all you want to say on a matter? I'd like to ask that people don't annoy me with such things like thoughtless answers with few words or quick quips or brief jokes or whatever, just shush, it doesn't impress me or even amuse me much (and I doubt anyone really cares much either).

Bugger.

 

[firedragon]

Given those options, I'll hit the road, Jack.

All you did was remind me of the song. Good song.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

One thing you should know is Brother that I truly respect your patience and humility.

I was born a Muslim in the Sunni tradition predominantly following the Shafi school of thought. I like to think I grew out of it.

The first book on theology I read was the Quran. The second book I loved to read was an evangelical book on the JW's theology. It was a small book an intrigued me immensely. It had pictures, and the writing was fantastic. Well, I was a kid at the time. Life takes you through many people and a lot of things push you in various paths. Thats why your question in this thread is probably the most difficult to answer pragmatically.

Why am I a Muslim? The answer would take a book. Trying to put it in a nutshell is an uphill battle.

The Qur'an is the reason for my faith. In my opinion it is the most coherent book and is a recitation. Though its written down in paper it was meant to be a recitation. Quran means recitation. If you practice any type of criticism on the text of the Quran, it stands against them all in my opinion. It is a 7th century work, written by one man. Not two, but one. Thus the book needs a holistic look, not a verse by verse exegesis like most do. Even Muslims when they discuss with people of other faiths they will take it as one book, but in their theology they take it as a book written one verse or segments at a time. But I like to think of it as one book, one revelation, and that's the basis of my faith. In a nutshell, this is why I am a Muslim.

Its not enough I understand as a reason. But there is a lot in this statement that I made to me. And this is a very rare occurrence explaining why I am what I am, yet since your language is that humble I did not have a choice really.

Maybe you could ask me concise questions and I will respond further. Hope that's okay with you.

I'd love to do that!

I really appreciate your patience with me and your kindness towards me, I often perceive some people are being sort of rude to me or unpleasant with me due to the way they dislike my writing, length of writing, or views (and how they take to insulting me, my efforts, and my words which I consider my creative work and genuinely showing my inner thoughts and working, so I'm even more sensitive about it probably since it is very "me" and is meant to get people to know a very authentic "me" that is real, sincere, and true).

Q1. What is your ethnic background or
Q1.2. what do you consider to be your ethnic background and
Q1.3. culture of origin, and

Q2.based on your appearance what do you typically "pass" as or
Q2.2. get perceived as?

I have lived my whole life mainly hiding my religion and beliefs from the public and trying to "pass" as just some weird sort of Westerner "White Guy". That has certainly done something to my thinking, behavior, decisions, where I go to expose myself and how I expose myself, and played a big role in everything.

Q3. What is a Shafi or
Q3.2. what does the Shafi school believe, and
Q3.3.what was your Islamic education?

I grew up with my mother reading the Qur'an mainly as my exposure to Islam, and she also taught me prayers and how to pray, which I've been performing since I was just a little baby or as soon as I could walk, first from imitation probably before learning the words also.

Q4. Why do you like to think you have outgrown the Shafi,
Q4.2. in what respects do you differ from their views,
Q4.3. what started to taste bad to you and
Q4.4. what seemed to fit your tastes better and
Q4.5. where do you think such tastes developed and
Q4.6. how?

I love Jehovah's Witness art and illustrations and liked collecting their literature, I liked the production values, the style, even the content, really fun stuff for me to read and enjoy, my favorite that I've picked up is all about Satan, and has him as this gray haired human super-villain that I really love. I've always had a particular taste for the villains in things, like growing up I loved the Cobra side rather than G.I. Joe, and looking back, I often see that in the stories too the villains aren't often all that wrong or bad seeming to me still in comparison to the scary or untrustworthy and even sometimes too brutal (supposed) "heroes".

I don't mind if it takes you a long time to go through your story. I am only 33 years old myself, my Birthday is in a few days (October 27th), and so the way I think about it is I only have 34 years or 33 years to discuss, with a huge chunk of them probably with very little remembered anyway, and not much has probably happened overall, and even if I were to recall all sorts of things, its only covering maybe 33 or 34 entries, sentences, or even paragraphs or pages, its never very long seeming to me. I went through a lot as well, but I have not noticed much of an overall evolution in my understandings and beliefs, and though I believe I am very logical or hyper-logical, I also think that it might not be my logic really that makes me believe, but what I perceive as the miraculous or magical in my life and experiences that makes me really believe or unable to leave or disregard God, who I consider my only true power anyway, do that it could be said in the most sincere fashion that without God, I really am nothing, and with God, I am (feeling) filled.

I think I am a Muslim because I grew up with it, but also because I've found it most useful to say what I want it to say, and to control people the way I want to control them through what it says in the Qur'an. The Qur'an tells people to be the way I want them to be, and tells them to believe what I believe and want them to believe in a way that is most clear and difficult to dispute as compared to the other scriptures. More than all that, I may be a Muslim because Allah intends me to be such, and find it hard to deny or even doubt with the amazing things I have experienced which make me strongly believe in God as I describe God. I just can't imagine myself being honest or happy under any other system or with any God but my version. I think that if the Qur'an disagreed with me in any remarkable way, I would throw it out, and so it works with me only because of what I understand to be true (except that I was also raised with it read into my ears all my life).

I see the Qur'an also as a whole book (now at least, though probably always intended to be such), and that it should be taken as you say, with a singular meaning which spans across the text and language where reasonably possible, and cross referencing it with no regard for the supposed claims of time of revelation or whatever or verses outdoing other verses and confusion like that. We accept it in its entirety as a complete text with a single author (who we don't think is Muhammed really, but can say is Muhammed to non-believers maybe for the sake of convenience when the human aspect of authorship or transmission is all that is being referred to, but which we believe is authored wholly by God as God speaking to Muhammed).

I have read all the other scriptures pretty much, and studied religions extensively, and nothing has ever come close to the Qur'an with its clarity and agreement with me and my own feelings and sentiments, its as if the Qur'an says exactly what I want when I want every single time, as if the Qur'an is me in some way, that is perhaps the consequence of having the Qur'an read to me all my life from birth had on me and my thinking, but I think there may be others who have had that as their experience and have not felt the same way or that the Qur'an is perfectly matched to them and that the Allah of the Qur'an (which it looks like maybe Gabriel Said Reynolds has released a new book in 2020 or something about Allah in the Qur'an listed as available on Library Genesis as linked earlier) is perfectly matched as the God that is most Ultimate over all the other depictions and descriptions of God and even potentially absorbing them all entirely, so that one needn't even really choose, you get everything in one neat package.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Part 2:


Q6. Why do you visit websites like these?

I do so to "blow off steam" as well as to accumulate merit by doing and saying what I imagine to be good and even the true praises of Allah or bringing people to better knowledge or refining them as well as myself (more importantly to me). I tend to increase my activity probably when I have the time, but also when my stress is higher or I am going through some troubles or difficulties possibly and so get out some of the excess irritation or energy through extensive writing in my style, filled with lots of stuff that I find amusing and so it makes me feel better, while also giving a sense of reward by imagining that I am doing something good, practicing something good, and gaining from it in various ways, both through the actual practice and also spiritually or "magically" by getting good points and potentially earning gifts, knowledge, miracles, all sorts of treats that I enjoy. It can also be why I might at times seem relentless, since I am not maybe as totally or directly interested in what people will say or making them do anything, but using anything at all that they may say or be saying to generate those things or produce those things which make me feel better or happier.

I wonder sometimes, if there was a religion somehow better than Islam or a book somehow better than the Qur'an, if I would be willing to leave what I am so comfortable with and have been brought up with and under, to something else, or somehow trust it. Its hard to believe, but I also believe Allah can make anything happen to anyone, for better or for worse.

Q7. Do you have any thoughts like these or
Q7.2. thoughts which come up in your mind you could discuss here?

Likewise, I believe that there is no way, no matter how clearly anything is ever discussed, that anyone stands a chance at ever being a True Muslim or Believer really except if God flicks on the switch for them and keeps them that way, but that there is always a chance that we may be playing a part in their story or influencing one way or another towards good or evil (even without realizing it) and so can continue our activities or dawah or whatever on the off chance it might even benefit someone else, though my purpose or primary interest is always benefit for myself first, and that is why I give so much out, writing for myself in the way I like to my first reader and biggest fan, me! I say exactly what I want to say, I say it the way I want to, and sometimes even when I end up arriving at some great and amazing writing on the internet, and I'm like WOW! This person is cool, they are writing everything that I would have wanted to say! I love it, haha so funny too! Wow, I love this person so much! Who are they? I find out its just me lol, that has happened lots of time, and I seem to be all over the place online, even with huge amounts of my writing having been read as well as wiped out entirely, I still manage to find it all over the place and transmitted around and surprised by it.

Q8. Do you deeply enjoy everything you write and do, or
Q8.2. do you find yourself or your writing to be tedious or irritating and unenjoyable, even for yourself or going through it?

I think that perhaps our record on Judgment Day might be something like that as well, and how the deeds we sow are reaped even in far away places, growing from hearts we never even knew we might touch.

I believe that across the globe, there are likely many True Muslim and Believers, experiencing the miraculous, believing in Allah, worshipping throughout the day, and being kind and helpful, having all sorts of weird adventures and interactions (online and offline, at home and outside). I don't believe they commonly come into much contact with each other overall, and may be planted in different places as the main source of True Islamic Action as a guidance and test, also for everyone around them who might represent a variety of things and factions and viewpoints.

Q9. What do you think about the population of "True Muslims"?
Q9.2. What qualifies one in your view as a "True Muslim" at the bare minimum?
Q9.3. What about the Maximum? What would the Truest True Muslim Be Like and Do for the 15 or so waking hours of every day?
Q9.4. Could you write out a schedule for them, a daily schedule of all the things they should do or be doing in the roughly 15 waking hours of their day?
Q9.5. Where do you fall between Not Qualified (which you can describe also) and the Bare Minimum, and the Maximum True Muslim?
Q9.6. What do you think are the benefits of being a True Muslim as you believe it to be?
Q9.7. What do you think are the cons or downsides?
Q9.8. What do you think are the challenges one will likely face?
Q9.9. How would such be overcome?
Q9.9.2. What challenges have you faced?
Q9.9.3. How did you overcome each?

It isn't hard to meet any general "Muslims" at any time, but people who actually are going through the Qur'anic or Islamic experience, I'm not so sure of their overall prevalence or how easy it is to interact with them or keep in touch with them overall, and they seem to be mostly surrounded by other sorts of people that they are influential in the lives of or perhaps even conflicted with or combatting one way or another.

I think that loneliness is in some ways reflected in the stories of practically all of the Prophets in the Qur'an, who the True Muslims probably end up resembling or imitating, and not on purpose or trying to really. It is also why the stories of the Qur'an are so relatable, and the interactions depicted seem to occur in nearly exactly the same ways they seemed to play out in the Qur'an, with the same statements, accusations, questions, mentalities, everything, as if all that changed, if anything, is the scenery and technology, just a little overall, and that people are still the same (which seems to make an 1800s outdated update unnecessary seeming as well, but they probably haven't read it, and if they have, not with the eyes Allah has given to us and maybe some others with similar views and models).

Q10. Do you believe it is important to be a True Muslim as you define and explain it?
Q10.2. Do you believe there is another way besides the way(s) you have described?
Q10.3. If so, what are those other acceptable ways in detail?
Q10.4. How strongly do you really believe they are truly safe or acceptable?
Q10.5. Would you be secretly or openly disappointed if your loved one were to follow such another way?
Q10.6. What do you really think of Non-believers,
Q10.6.2. their thoughts,
Q10.6.3. their lives/lifestyles,
Q10.6.4.their understandings, and
Q10.6.5. their fate?

Q11. In a sincere introspection, how truly certain are you of any
Q11.2.God,
Q11.3. scripture,
Q11.4. angels and jinn,
Q11.5. powers and God's influence or interference,
Q11.6. miracles,
Q11.7. Prophets,
Q11.8. Resurrection,
Q11.9. Afterlife?
Q11.2. In what ways do you become confident in regard to each of these?
Q11.3. What are things you doubt or have doubted?
Q11.4. How were these doubts overcome by you if they were or for which were?
Q11.5. Which linger and why and how do they arise again for you each time?

Q12. Do you partake in things you consider wrong or sinful or garnering punishment or a bad result now or on judgment day?
Q12.2. What are these?
Q12.3. Why do you do these still or not fear enough about doing them?

Alright! Anyone can answer these, and can change the terms to apply better to their own tastes and beliefs and religions or scriptures or whatever.

I will likely copy paste them all and answer each too, to show that it can be done and how it might be done, though I prefer lengthy writing and responses which really go all for the true laying out of the inner guts of everything!

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

So what do you rank is the best to the worst and why for each? You can rigorously reason each item that is mentioned and where it is ranked for you and why you think that might be.

Q5. Also, I forgot to mention (but have mentioned it in some of the original posts) if you have any particular imagery or ideas or themes or even moods you associate yourself with or would like to be like or imagine yourself as or would otherwise attain to be more like? Also, symbols, and explaining symbols in current use, like how you came to use and refer to yourself and be referred to as Fire-Dragon (in your case) but in the case of anyone else reading, you can all explain how you think you came to prefer each of your names and symbols you chose for yourself, I'm interested in hearing all the stories behind that and where those might have started and how they might describe aspects of yourselves.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

I recently got into a little trouble for my posts and content on this site, and wrote some explanations for it that I can copy paste here which may be interesting also for other readers and cover a bunch of things and show aspects of my personality and intentions or what my activities are all about and what might be behind them:

"
I don't know what these are, but I'm happy to make one. Sorry about my recent misbehavior or whatever, I was probably just blowing off steam because I recently lost 6 or so years or something of important work, pictures, and documents when my phone broke, I put the cards in a ziplock bag, and someone threw away the ziplock bag. That was just one of a number of irritating things that happened all at once these last few days, and so I'm trying to remember all my photos (my wedding photos, my anniversary photos, tons and tons of photos) by thinking about them and remembering them as much as I can. Anyway, I hope you understand that it has put me in a state of rage almost every night, so I blow off a little steam here maybe, but may be prone to be extra irritable when dealing with people like "ecco" who chime in by implying how badly my life is going that I had to deal with obnoxious drug users in my years living in apartments. With all my current rage, I wanted to beat the living daylights out of the kid. Though, I'm not that angry at anyone on the website, I like to push the boundaries a little with my writing to try to get other people to share their thoughts and intimate secrets and all that by being so loose and casual myself, it usually works, but it also likely leads me into trouble or getting kicked from websites. Then I just go and find somewhere else to do the same, no hard feelings. I didn't even know I had this account on this website, I just discovered it again recently.
Also, I didn't misrepresent myself really, in the disturbing writing lately, I wanted to see if anyone else had recognized in themselves the callousness that regular streams of very disturbing information can create in their own way of dealing with things, sort of like how police officers when observed in their offices and in documentary explorations become increasingly cold about all the stuff they have to hear and go through, so they end up making dark jokes about things, I never got the chance though to see if I lured anyone into admitting to having lost some of their sympathy and feelings when hearing lots of disturbing news stories for years.

I wanted to also offer a kind of unique perspective, something in-between hostility towards theism that is usually the domain of atheists, and a theism that is irreverent or questions so many things that people are asked to accept or assume or include into their lives (like certain scriptures or statements people feel pressured to incorporate or explain due to their religions being based on such scriptures or the scriptures playing an important role in them).

So, currently the stories I'm following and interested in somewhat, are the stories of Link, Amanaki, Ken S's writing, my Bahai question thread, Trailblazer's Raccoon tales. What I tend to like and gravitate towards learning more about (and like I mentioned earlier here, try to lure people into writing about with increasing openness) are human stories, getting all the scoop and all the dirt about their real life psychology, strategies, life history, everything they think and why, what has happened to them and what is happening to them, prices, drug reactions, all that. I personally benefit from that sort of information a lot. I've collected information like that for years and years. Talking to a guy on the street the other day who was selling apples, I learned all about apple farming, the whole business, grafting them, all his troubles, just extracted tons of information and every possible detail which was really fun and informative for me to learn about.

People like Bourne, Ecco, Saint Frankenstein are pretty worthless to me, their contributions are worthless, they say nothing of value, they teach nothing about the realities of life, they are just garbage people, but people who reveal a lot about themselves, are honest, simple, sincere, aren't secretive, those are the people I'm always trying to get loosened up to reveal everything about their experiences and thoughts in detail. So sometimes, one of my tricks is to try to get away with some loose sort of talk to extract from people even negative things about themselves they might not typically reveal or they might fear would get them viewed badly (by doing a version of it myself, so that they then feel the road is paved for it and go for it themselves, sharing the darker aspects of their personalities).

Anyway, that is my real interest a lot of the time, human beings and their lives in realistic detail. It makes me feel enlightened, and then when others tell me things in person, I have this huge file and catalog of information collected about similar cases and likelihoods and reactions and realistic troubles to warn people about based on other stories and whatever else, and so it makes me feel good to know so much and also be capable of helping people or potentially seeing where things are headed, that is why even the most mundane seemingly boring information like about how a person ended up with credit card debt or something is extremely useful and interesting to me to learn about from them and the psychological impact it had on them and their life and relationships and everything, so I pry a lot.

As for religion and scriptures, I have a tendency to do another thing with that, and in trying to motivate people one way or another, I might employ hubris or trying to make them want to really advance themselves in extreme ways or go all out in their pursuit of whatever religions by basically implying that whatever they are doing is not really anything, or not really good enough, and wondering where else they can go or what they can do to really stand out from the crowd or anyone else. Generally though, this probably doesn't work in any obvious or overt way, except as maybe little itchy seeds that get going at some point subconsciously. I have no real interest in what religion particularly they might excel in, just that they really make an effort to excel in whatever they want to claim to be part of.

My other interest in the spiritual realm, besides hearing people's miracle stories and paranormal stories (which I also collect through email correspondences from all over the world), is to make religion magical again for people and mystical when it seems to have basically moved away from the experiential or miraculous and more towards just a lot of blustering talk or local/traditional teams and sticking to the teams and whatever when no one seems to be even really having or mentioning any wacky or special experiences which I'm pretty convinced can't be too far away from happening for people if they start to think in certain ways or give it a chance and notice.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Part 2:

So in summary:

1. I just lost so much precious stuff, and I couldn't retrieve it, and I've been furious.
2. I like to blow off steam on websites where I can talk to people (I prefer places that don't even monitor or restrict me much, like Youtube, but that was easier to play on with my phone which is dead).
3. Bourne, Ecco, and some others, irritated me even more, but barely, I was already irritated from things going on here, and their being jerks like posting a noseless picture in my profile (bullying) and saying I'm poor and defeated because I don't do drugs and have interacted with obnoxious drug users, did anger me and nothing I said or did is really what I'd like to say or do to them each for that rudeness.
4. I am interested in getting people to talk, in public or in private, and I have discovered over the years some tricks and strategies which have gotten people to talk and say things they would never imagine themselves otherwise admitting to, but the techniques sometimes get me in trouble (especially when in public and monitored), so I tend to get away with more in private conversations or through private emails. The information I receive from people's hearts can be distressing, but it often makes a lot of sense as to how it ends up coming into being, since I go in depth with my exploration, and it makes me feel all the wiser.
5. I also feel a sense of pride in imagining I had some part in planting secret motivational seeds in the minds of people through some of my activities, even if this is not really the case, and so some of my writing has to do with that as well.

Currently, at home, I've been celebrating multiple Birthdays which all occur in October, I have my own coming up on the 27th of October, I have tons of packages and presents also to go through and sort, I'm doing cleaning at home too, and basically going through a Marathon of Horror films on Netflix, Amazon Prime, and other stuff like that, while watching cartoons and reading comics on my computer. I'm reading a lot as usual, and mainly things are as normal, except that every time I look to my right, I remember the freaking zip lock bag with my sd card in it and even my phone card and how it was thrown away and I can almost make barely anything good out of such a thing happening, and I feel like crying about all that loss, its totally tragic for me, and that is just one of a number of distressing things that have happened to me, all within this same wildly busy and eventful month.

So that is an account of what is going on with me, why my content might have taken a darker turn or become more belligerent seeming. I think I can safely promise to not continue writing any more graphic or disturbing content, seeing as the limits have been reached and I know where the website stands with how far I can go.

I'll be monitoring and trying to encourage activity on the threads I recently created where I placed so many questions to Christian Ken and the Bahai people (particularly Trailblazer, but also the many others who have noticed it). That should be a little interesting for a while, and I don't think I've been too rude on there really, except maybe whenever I say I don't like certain things or have prejudices or whatever (but now you know what that is all about, I say it to make people try harder and also to become loosened similarly to admit to their own inner issues if possible or at least bring them up to their own minds even if they bite their lips and tongues and don't go all for revealing everything about their thoughts and feelings about whatever, you may have seen me use this same strategy and trick in some Islamic threads where I try to get the people who clearly dislike Islam or Muslims to admit to it, to try to get people who dislike drugs or drug users to admit to it, etc, but usually it just probably makes me out to be a nasty person in the eyes of people or they imagine it gives them ammunition to try to report me or something, which is why that dangerous tactic often gets me removed from places by making too many enemies while trying to extract information from them or make them think about their own lives or practices or motivating them or whatever the two or three things I typically do anywhere in any interaction, even with the apple farmer guy).

This forum is actually one of the best I've ever found so far for how civil most people are on it, and the content quality and frequency of activity, so I'd ideally like to be able to continue to visit it and at least do what I enjoy doing. If I am restricted from doing what I enjoy doing though (meaning entirely, so that I can't try to find out about people or whatever I mentioned above) then all the fun is gone for me anyway, and my presence becomes mainly fruitless, yet, I'd still probably like the ability to be around, and would use that ability then to privately extract people onto my email account where I can go about what I typically do without interference.
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Part 3:

That is true that it could sound that way. I think of it as dialogue, since I reveal only authentic information about myself, and then hope that it is being reciprocated by other people, and then I learn about them specifically but also in a general way which I apply to other interactions (in the future). It might just be the way I write about the processes going on that makes it sound weird, this is just what goes on generally in any conversation, the difference being that most people (I imagine) might not be listening too much to what other people are saying, don't care about them or their lives, and don't remember or use that information as applied or recalled for future interactions with others. So, I think most people don't even get the same out of talking to people, whereas I get a lot out of it and it plays a big part in all my interactions and all I do and think about, whereas I imagine (and this is based on what people have told me too), others just sort of are almost talking to people with their eyes shut and ears shut and only hearing themselves and never really learning anything or applying it to future interactions much or anything, they are almost "not there", which is probably a bad habit and wasteful but I've seen it a lot and then had people tell me that is the case as well.

Based on that, I assume most people don't really care what I think or am saying ever, which is fine by me, but I have to insist that I do actually care about what they think might have no value or be just frivolous information, which to me is like a goldmine of value, like what the rent prices are in Japan or Denmark or people's daily routines or whatever, and because it has so much value to me and I have such a high opinion of that sort of information people might consider pointless junk or basic, I am really actually attentive when they are providing it and my encouraging it is out of genuine interest because of how I value it so much.

So when I imagine someone toying with people, I almost think of that as being more someone who isn't really interested and is just wasting people's time, they are bored or whatever and not even listening and asking just for the sake of asking and the information is then deleted or falls on deaf ears or whatever.

I have people emailing me huge amounts of detailed life experiences daily, asking me questions as well as discussing like a journal every little thing in their life, and that sort of stuff really keeps me sharp and alert, I even use it in an almost oracular way, I immediately apply it to my own life, relationships, interactions, conversations, everything, it even gets me making certain decisions, what I might choose to see, study, talk about, eat, everything.

That is why the little clues talked about by Link or Amanaki about their relationships or psychology related to their romances and religions and how that plays in interactions or desires or how they behave with these women they want, is like super fascinating and stimulating to me and I want to find out every nuance of it somehow, whereas stuff like "two people died in a fire" is like ok? Its only useful if it contains some sort of information like how it happened, how it can be prevented, something to learn and do about it, something more to make of it. I don't think its a bad thing at all to be so totally curious and make everything I can out of information I receive to navigate life and the world and interactions in other contexts better.

Religion also gives a lot of information about the way people think and how it influences their motivation, decisions, choices, all that psychological stuff I love, but I am also into weird stuff too, like strange and uncanny experiences which many, many people go through but often don't admit to readily for fear of being ridiculed (especially online where its Bullies'R'Us).

Part 4:
"Its true that in real life, I get away with saying all sorts of wacky and shocking stuff just because of my tone, facial expressions, all that. It often sounds annoying or fake to me to have to say "I'm joking and this is the joke and how it works" but I agree that online I've gotten into a lot of trouble and had to explain these things to people (which makes me cringe), and often I feel they don't even believe me or think that I'm actually as nasty as they read it in their voices and their tone. Sometimes that impression is permanent and unchangeable, and of course the majority of the responsibility for that is mine by saying whatever I said in the way that I did which leads to the misunderstandings. I've sometimes considered writing a warning before my writing that says "This is a Joke, This is Not As Serious As It May See, Try to Figure Out How This Might Be A Joke and If You Have The Time Please Let Me Know What You Think The Joke Aspects Were So That I Can Tell If You've Got It The Way I Intended".

Ok, so I wrote a post, it has the same kind of attitude, cynicism, darkness, pessimism, whatever stuff, but can you let me know if this is also messed up or not appropriate enough? I can be careful to tone it down even more than this, but I wanted to know if this level is alright enough. There is maybe only one mild innuendo in the end of it but its talking about a car and is just slipped in at the end, somewhere in there I put in a caveat or sidebar note that I'm being playful or tongue in cheek about everything or cavalier or casual and not too serious. I say some slightly weird things also, and self-deprecate by saying things or admitting to things one wouldn't be expected to, so in the same style as many of the other posts but hopefully not too offensive and its more about facing the brute realities of life and the simplistic animal nature of human beings who are run on hormones and simple strategies.

Anyway, so it was just a test to see if this level is tolerable enough, but if it isn't, I can edit it, or delete it entirely (I like that its policy to save the post and send it to me in its entirety when deleted), and avoid even that level:

Arguments for God's existence - of a lover trying to convince someone to be certain.

There is just the most tiny bit of actual concern I have about the topic of that thread, mainly in this budding relationship or whatever that has this religious discussion made so prominent in it, it kind of bothers me and rubs me the wrong way, and I fear for both of them, mainly always the girl (I tend to take their side and prefer the females!)"

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So that is a little bit that tells people more about my (pretty obvious now) reasons for what I write maybe.

 

[firedragon]

I'd love to do that!

I really appreciate your patience with me and your kindness towards me, I often perceive some people are being sort of rude to me or unpleasant with me due to the way they dislike my writing, length of writing, or views (and how they take to insulting me, my efforts, and my words which I consider my creative work and genuinely showing my inner thoughts and working, so I'm even more sensitive about it probably since it is very "me" and is meant to get people to know a very authentic "me" that is real, sincere, and true).

Q1. What is your ethnic background or
Q1.2. what do you consider to be your ethnic background and
Q1.3. culture of origin, and

Q2.based on your appearance what do you typically "pass" as or
Q2.2. get perceived as?

I have lived my whole life mainly hiding my religion and beliefs from the public and trying to "pass" as just some weird sort of Westerner "White Guy". That has certainly done something to my thinking, behavior, decisions, where I go to expose myself and how I expose myself, and played a big role in everything.

With all due respect brother, I do not wish to discuss my ethnicity, my education, or my so called "cultural background"

Q3. What is a Shafi or
Q3.2. what does the Shafi school believe, and
Q3.3.what was your Islamic education?

In the Sunni tradition there are four main schools of thought and practically everyone else has strand from one of these. If you want to understand what the Shafi school of thought believes, one major thing is Thaqlid. That means in basic language, follow the leader. So it does not resonate with me because the older school of thought which is the Maliki school of though, the traditional school of Medina speaks of Aqal or the voice of reason. Also, the Quran speaks of using your Aqal all the time. So of course since I have a brain I use it.

 

[PureX]

To quote a great sailor man: "I ams what I ams and I likes what I likes".

 

[firedragon]

Q6. Why do you visit websites like these?

I dont visit many websites. Only this one. There is one more I recently visited for a particular reason so if you find my posts in other websites they are cut and pastes. Not mine.

The reason I visit this one is because of certain reasons. There are some people who will respond reasonably. Even if the response is scholarly or not, some of them will give you a new area to study. Trust me on this. You can become a scholar and have 30 years in the field but unless you explore you will miss out some extremely scholarly analysis that may arise from another gentleman or a lady in this forum.

Thats why.

 

[firedragon]

I have read all the other scriptures pretty much, and studied religions extensively, and nothing has ever come close to the Qur'an

Id like to ask you what you mean by this. When you say "other scriptures" what are they? Why and how do they compare to the Qur'an? What is your analysis?

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Q1. What is your ethnic background or
A: I have concealed my ethnicity or said various justifiable things to people so long as it gives me a better standing in their eyes, but for the most part, I think of my ancestry as being "Aryan" as in the Ancient Aryans (not Germans, even though my name is German probably or passes as German anyway and so if its time to be German then I'm German or give that impression without lying outright if possible).

Q1.2. what do you consider to be your ethnic background and
A: Aryan I said, jeez, zhut op! Oh, why not Aztec? They are kind of cool seeming, but I'm disturbed that they might have been sort of in-bred maybe, but maybe I am too back in the Aryan Mountains.

Q1.3. culture of origin, and
A: What is with you? You some kind of Narc? What is with all the questions? So my culture of origin is I guess that I was born in Canada and raised in the United States of America, and so I was raised in the North American Culture and Language and Media, but not like a normal person, because my parents were wealthy class type Muslims and were also deceivers and liars like me, so hid their religion and their ethnicities. So I was raised like I was doing something that is better off not known about or shared as it was an inconvenience for anyone to know or think that I'm different, something I knew and tried to avoid people from finding out in some ways or certain ways, so there was a stress about people coming over to visit for example and my mother might be praying or something in another room or whatever. This is probably relevant to my psychological profile.

Q2.based on your appearance what do you typically "pass" as or
A: I have asked people, and I think basically white or white-ish for the most part, some sort of white, European, Spanish, Jew, something, often its whatever people want to imagine that they admire or think is white enough but maybe a little exotic possibly.

Q2.2. get perceived as?
A: Probably get perceived as something unusual, often unknown, "can't quite put my finger on it", which growing up in Minnesota was always irritating as heck, because everyone was trying to finger me, so to speak, and identify my ethnicity and background, which I hated, I HATED, I hated that people were trying to put me in some box or apply stereotypes or something, and were trying to make me out to be some "Other", and so I just wanted to be WHITE and LEFT ALONE. Don't ask me so many darn questions about "Canada" "No, no, I mean ORIGINALLY" as in "Go BACK FURTHER, GO BACK TO THE DAWN OF TIME, YOU OF INDISTINGUISHABLE ETHNICITY OR RACE". So that has left me with a lot of resentment, and I despise people asking to this day, which is why I asked you! Haha! My mother has answered "Planet Earth" to people, yeah M-F-ers! It has made me a weird sort of "racist" in some senses, where I have a hatred for all particular "ethnic groups" because I was never really included in any real one properly, so I jealously despise them all and really all "groups" even "bands".

Q3. What is a Shafi or
A: No idea! That is why I'm asking! It sounds a bit familiar. I don't like any of the sects or schools, just sort of automatically, I prefer every individual to have their relationship with the Qur'an and Allah, and maybe even better, come to the same general conclusions and experience the same sort of things as I do!

Q3.2. what does the Shafi school believe, and
A: I don't know! What is wrong with you? You keep asking me stuff even after I've answered? Are you in some other time?! Listen!

Q3.3.what was your Islamic education?
A: Mommy! When I tried to learn Arabic at an Islamic Community Center (it sucked) in Minnesota, the elderly dude squirted blood from his nose all over my paper, and I never returned. I am self educated in most every respect, so if I'm stupid, its because I did a bad job teaching myself without an education.

Q4. Why do you like to think you have outgrown the Shafi,
A: I think with a belt, everything might be corrected.

Q4.2. in what respects do you differ from their views,
A: If they believe anything like the things I've heard some Muslims say, they are not my brothers really. For example, some Muslims say that "Allah is co-eternal with the Qur'an" which is fine if they mean Allah's power to speak things into existence, but not ok if they mean this particular book known as the Qur'an. That is just one example of some terrible things they say, and most of the time I find myself irritated, cringing, or ready to yell BLASPHEMY at some of the errors Muslims widely promote, and often these days they seem like they are sucking up to Christians a lot anyway. I agree wholly with my interpretation of the Qur'an, and whoever defies it or me (especially in major ways), I don't like too much!

Q4.3. what started to taste bad to you and
A: I never knew what the Muslims were all about, until rather recently when the goat-beards started popping up more and yelling, then I learned to really strongly dislike many of them and not consider myself really a part of those types, like there are two or more different religions going on and their religion is to me blind fakery.

Q4.4. what seemed to fit your tastes better and
A: The Qur'an. Occasionalism, Berkeley's Idealism, Panentheism, Vedic Monotheism, whatever isn't people obsessed with pant leg lengths and pubic hair growth levels.

Q4.5. where do you think such tastes developed and
A: Likely from my upbringing, and for my distaste, due to my unfamiliar with such things, finding them unjustified and unjustifiable and unreasonable, false, deceptive, in bad taste, idiotic, and proliferated by unpleasant seeming folks, and too restrictive as well, so that life would be (even more) hell under the rule of maniacs.

Q4.6. how?
A: Well, I look at a thing, and it makes me sort of cringe or get the creeps, or I imagine what those restrictions might be like to live under, and I say "nuh uh" and I fight against it and hope its destroyed, for my own comfort and pleasure. I relate very closely with the views of some special secret people on this website probably, but among the more open of them I have a fondness for danielmol probably, and might relate to many of the secular, humanist, atheists on (this) board.

Q5. Also, I forgot to mention (but have mentioned it in some of the original posts) if you have any particular imagery or ideas or themes or even moods you associate yourself with or would like to be like or imagine yourself as or would otherwise attain to be more like? Also, symbols, and explaining symbols in current use, like how you came to use and refer to yourself and be referred to as Fire-Dragon (in your case) but in the case of anyone else reading, you can all explain how you think you came to prefer each of your names and symbols you chose for yourself, I'm interested in hearing all the stories behind that and where those might have started and how they might describe aspects of yourselves.
A: Lots and Lots of Characters, Symbols, Signs, Shapes, Colors, Numbers, the list can go on and on (lol probably not really, but this is what lazy people tend to say haha). The main one though will be The Fox probably, the shape is most likely the A or W or I maybe, and the number is 27 and 10, and the color is maybe green or turquoise, but also purple, gold, black, red, pink, all playing different roles, so sometimes I become confused about how much any symbol represents me personally or something I like otherwise or think about often.

Q6. Why do you visit websites like these?
A: I don't know really, I think probably just to have fun and say things, and have fun saying things, and say things that are fun for me to say. So I come here for saying and funning mainly, all mixed up.

Extra Q: I wonder sometimes, if there was a religion somehow better than Islam or a book somehow better than the Qur'an, if I would be willing to leave what I am so comfortable with and have been brought up with and under, to something else, or somehow trust it. Its hard to believe, but I also believe Allah can make anything happen to anyone, for better or for worse.
A: I can't compute what I'd necessarily do, but there are factors that make me lean towards thinking that it would be hard for me to both let go of the Qur'an while adopting something else entirely. So I'd probably find it easier to adopt something else while retaining the Qur'an also.

Q7. Do you have any thoughts like these or
A: Didn't I just?

Q7.2. thoughts which come up in your mind you could discuss here?
A: Hmm. Yeah. Here is one. I am distressed at my inability to "Forgive" or "Forgive and Forget" as something I find horrible or wrong I continue to dislike and be bothered by. A lot of people throw around this "forgive and forget" stuff, but not only do I find myself honestly incapable of this, and can at best "tolerate" and restrain myself, but I kind of doubt anyone does, or anyone would be really wise to do so, since the things happened in the first place because of some tendency and may even happen again, so why be stupid entirely or pretend we live in a world which we don't seem to actually live in?

Q8. Do you deeply enjoy everything you write and do, or
No. I'm considering refining things even further for more pleasure. Actually, I do enjoy the writing a lot, but it was the "Do" part that got the similar sounding "No" part. That is because I have to do a lot of things I really don't like doing, like annoying tasks and chores and stuff to maintain the household or whatever. I still try to make everything as nice for myself as possible though, but there is so much still I don't like and want to change for the better, to make my life like a little taste of Paradise before Paradise insha'Allah!

Q8.2. do you find yourself or your writing to be tedious or irritating and unenjoyable, even for yourself or going through it?
A: No, I find it pretty amusing and funny, I really love myself a lot, and give myself everything and all sorts of love and gifts, I really think I'm the best. If anyone is charmed, its me, about myself, like when you meet someone and (never actually) say "Charmed" or "Delighted" but actually mean it while not being some rich old lady in a 1980's film.