Tastes and Preferences: Curious about why you choose what you choose!

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Part 2:

Q9. What do you think about the population of "True Muslims"?
A: I think I exaggerated their numbers, I think I may be the one, and I'm not even good at it.

Q9.2. What qualifies one in your view as a "True Muslim" at the bare minimum?
A: Believing "Allah is One (non-anthropomorphic, invisible) God (preferably controlling absolutely everything whatsoever and entirely)" and worshipping the God with thoughts, speech/what you say, and actions both in deeds and exercises like the formal worship practices throughout the day after ablutions.

Q9.3. What about the Maximum? What would the Truest True Muslim Be Like and Do for the 15 or so waking hours of every day?
A: Wake up, clean oneself, worship Allah, sleep again a bit or eat and go about the day doing whatever for one's own benefit and the benefit of whatever one cares about, worship again, bathe or bathe again if necessary, eat, defecate, whatever, entertain oneself, worship, cyclically throughout the day and the maximum would be just possibly a larger number of prayer acts and good deeds and sayings and conversations and eliminating the bad ones, nasty speech, and all sinning or wrongness in a day, then sleep again and repeat.

Q9.4. Could you write out a schedule for them, a daily schedule of all the things they should do or be doing in the roughly 15 waking hours of their day?
A: The things I mentioned don't take up even an hour usually ever, so one can accomplish a very large amount of things potentially in 15 hours while fulfilling useful or crucial things in just a few hours total overall or a single hour even or two while a whole day can be filled with other activities. I think excessive religiosity to the point of harming oneself or burn out is not steadfastness but potentially harming oneself even through extremes which are bad for oneself and even to fairly promote.

Q9.5. Where do you fall between Not Qualified (which you can describe also) and the Bare Minimum, and the Maximum True Muslim?
A: I am below the bare minimum even since becoming injured, but I will get it all back soon I hope insha'Allah!

Q9.6. What do you think are the benefits of being a True Muslim as you believe it to be?
A: You feel empowered, protected, with the advantage, and expecting good now and especially in the afterlife.

Q9.7. What do you think are the cons or downsides?
A: You may feel alienated in some ways from certain people or most people, and in my case, there isn't too much of a feeling of safety or freedom to practice openly or be exposed or discovered. If one does expose themselves, there is a good chance that tension is not relieved by this but increased by people viewing you in strange ways or being potentially hostile either openly or secretly. Paranoia as well, as you can see!

Q9.8. What do you think are the challenges one will likely face?
A: Allah will test you in every way, even horrifically possibly, and you are likely to suffer (but you would most likely suffer regardless, so religion can help get through these things even).

Q9.9. How would such be overcome?
A: Through thinking about it and hopefully coming to the best understandings and being one who is pleased with the truth, however dark it may be, it offers relief to some minds.

Q9.9.2. What challenges have you faced?
A: Deaths, Diseases, Disabilities, all sorts of troubles and treachery all my life, and lots of nice and good things too of course.

Q9.9.3. How did you overcome each?
A: By escapism into Religious Thinking and Philosophizing, Rationalizing, Thinking about things I enjoy and pursuing things which stimulate my imagination and mind. Oh yeah, crying like a little broken baby doll too and not avoiding the darkest of the darkness for as long as it takes. What I call "Hell Meditations", mental torture. Leaves you twisted:

Q10. Do you believe it is important to be a True Muslim as you define and explain it?
A: Yes, if you don't want to reside in a horrible existence now and later, or have a better chance against it.

Q10.2. Do you believe there is another way besides the way(s) you have described?
A: Not genuinely, no. I believe that if anyone in any religion or with any background or system throughout history did the right thing, they would resemble a "True Muslim" and be doing basically the same things, down to the worship style. It wouldn't matter if they were calling upon Zeus Hypsistos, their behaviors and practices are believed to me to be practically and in all senses the same, as well as their beliefs, and there is no other way at all then really.

Q10.3. If so, what are those other acceptable ways in detail?
A: None really, they are all just this Islam under different names and using different languages to say the same things, think the same things in the same way, and do the same things as well.

Q10.4. How strongly do you really believe they are truly safe or acceptable?
A: In all honesty, I don't think any other way or system is at all acceptable or can be trusted to more likely succeed.

Q10.5. Would you be secretly or openly disappointed if your loved one were to follow such another way?
A: I would be openly very angry and try my best to get them to do what I think is right and best. So anyone I don't love should consider themselves lucky.

Q10.6. What do you really think of Non-believers,
A: I think that God is deceiving them (but may of course be deceiving me), and so I think they are cursed and doomed and probably don't stand a chance, so that their ignorance is a kind of bliss as they remain totally uninterested or unaware of this imaginary threat they don't believe in at all really or take seriously.

Q10.6.2. their thoughts,
A: Only useful as far as it amuses me or inspires me with something or a counter thought, otherwise worthless and likely to their own detriment as well.

Q10.6.3. their lives/lifestyles,
A: Hideous and grotesque, even more a vapid and vacuous hell than my own.

Q10.6.4.their understandings, and
A: Completely deficient.

Q10.6.5. their fate?
A: Endless misery, repetition of negative experiences, torture, burning.

Q11. In a sincere introspection, how truly certain are you of any(thing)
A: logically, very little, but in actual practice, I rate thing by how I for example have never seen a living fox animal in person, yet I believe in the existence of the fox animal with a very high certainty and pragmatic certainty, even though according to my beliefs even that is not as certain or real really as the Absolute Truth which is Like Nothing (and is the True God), but regardless, I believe normally in every day life in normal things, that the Fox really exists and is believed or imagined to be "out there" even though according to my beliefs there may not be any other place or "out there" at all, as I only access a layer, my experience, which is made up in an instant, so for as long as I am not experiencing a fox, there is no fox "out there", but again, I operate mainly normally with normal thinking that is common to most people, and so I believe in the fox animal, and that the fox animal is a real thing of which I am certain (which must mean I can confidently prove it and would think anyone who denies it is insane or a liar), and so I am thus, very confident and certain about a great many things as being provable convincingly or worthy of belief or expectation.

Q11.2.God,
A: In relation to a Fox, I am more confident that I can convince a common person of the existence of a Fox Animal than I can with reasoning of my entirely logical God most likely, because people are annoying creatures, even so, I am extremely confident in the God I have reasoned or what I specifically call God myself. I am not at all confident about the things said of God by various scriptures though, like the Old Testament, I believe far more strongly in a fox animal than in those things said in the Old Testament for example.

Q11.3. scripture,
A: Oh. Uh. Ok, well, I am confident that the God I have made up can make any of those things to be true or have been true.

Q11.4. angels and jinn,
A: I am most confident in what I consider to be the jinn, plasma creatures, because I've dealt with the misty sons of ionized gas personally and there is also footage of them (including personal footage), and I am pretty much confident in the existence of the extra-terrestrial angels also. Probably as much as a fox, maybe a little less for both possibly, but barely if anything, and the funny thing is that I think I've dealt with both these things personally, whereas I've never dealt with a fox animal personally at all, that shows you the kind of pressure disbelief or different beliefs and difficulty catching and proving things puts on a mind!

Q11.5. powers and God's influence or interference,
A: I am extremely confident about this, both logically and from experience. So when there isn't some very overt sort of prediction or dialogue inclusive miracle going on right before my eyes, I rely on the logical version to be confident that I credit all things to whatever is generating my experience or experience at all.

Q11.6. miracles,
A: Experienced what I call miracles first hand, so have little to no doubt in the weird and amazing.

Q11.7. Prophets,
A: If they said what I want them to say, they are fine by me, and just like me.

Q11.8. Resurrection,
A: I am confident that if there is to be such, it can be possible, and God will be responsible no matter how it appears to anyone that it comes about.

Q11.9. Afterlife?
A: What else is there to do?

Q11.2. In what ways do you become confident in regard to each of these?
A: Through careful logic and reasoning and experiencing such or things which make such seem easily possible.

Q11.3. What are things you doubt or have doubted?
A: My future state, my reward, or that I am not sinning or doing wrong somehow. I have doubted also that I'll be just fine necessarily.

Q11.4. How were these doubts overcome by you if they were or for which were?
A: They weren't. I am still in doubt, and believe any noble person should always be fearful and cautious (even more than me).

Q11.5. Which linger and why and how do they arise again for you each time?
A: I am most afraid about my future, and about death. They arise when I look at conditions as they are now and what is reasonably or statistically expected based on other information I've received, and it often seems hopeless to prevent badness or have an ideal or fantasy outcome which would skip any trouble, sadness, or anxiety, and because of that I despise life and God's creation and the situation I've been put in by experiencing all the basic realities that most people naturally go through or are expected to go through.

Q12. Do you partake in things you consider wrong or sinful or garnering punishment or a bad result now or on judgment day?
A: Yeah, probably.
Q12.2. What are these?
A: I have a hot temper, I might swear possibly wrongfully or use foul language, I hate people with a passion in many ways and wish ill for much of humanity, I enjoy the death and destruction which occurs sometimes in the world so that the people I imagine were annoying are ended (without my involvement), and I might see nakey pictures that pop up like most Theists that are Hard On Crime.
Q12.3. Why do you do these still or not fear enough about doing them?
A: Sometimes they are just too easy and convenient to achieve whatever quick ends or means to relieve oneself of whatever stress, like swearing seems so quick and easy to do when something drops or hurts and you go SHT!!!!!! and "darn" just isn't satisfying enough or something, but I must not think these things are very wrong or wrong enough, and I may be wrong and it may be counting against me, so it will be best to eliminate them all entirely, gradually if necessary but hopefully completely, with better things in their place.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

I dont visit many websites. Only this one. There is one more I recently visited for a particular reason so if you find my posts in other websites they are cut and pastes. Not mine.

The reason I visit this one is because of certain reasons. There are some people who will respond reasonably. Even if the response is scholarly or not, some of them will give you a new area to study. Trust me on this. You can become a scholar and have 30 years in the field but unless you explore you will miss out some extremely scholarly analysis that may arise from another gentleman or a lady in this forum.

Thats why.

Can you point me out to the best of the best you've encountered here? If not in open then in a private message or to my email at [email protected] ? I'd like to read the writings of these knowledgeable people each.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Id like to ask you what you mean by this. When you say "other scriptures" what are they? Why and how do they compare to the Qur'an? What is your analysis?

Ok, so what I am calling "other scriptures" are things like the Vedas, Upanishads, Brahmanas, maybe throw in things like the Greek works of Hesiod and Homer since people sometimes treated those almost religiously, and the Avesta and Zend or whatever, I've mainly only read all these things in English translations, but I miraculously was able to read Greek somehow recently in an instant and so I also read the Old Testament Septuagint text in Greek but I have read it in English mainly and not completed it in Greek, and I have read the Dhammapada, Bhagavad Gita, I haven't completed the Hindu Epics in their full form because the Mahabharata is freaking humungous and the English one is 10 volumes or something which I've considered buying many times but wonder where I'll keep it even. My interest would be in extracting names of entities that can work as epithets for God though. Anyway, there are also newer things like the Book of Mormon and related texts, even really recent ones like the Urantia Book or whatever and the Satanic Bible of Anton LaVey or whatever. Even Albert Pike's work on Free Masonic ideas and Aleister Crowley's writing and works as well as writings by Satanic writers like Michael Ford I think is his name and so-called Demonolaters.

I've read the Guru Granth in available English, I've read influential texts like Dante's Inferno and Paradise Lost which have had a lot of impact on popular thinking and media.

So, usually when people say "scriptures" what comes to my mind is that they are probably referring to the Bible, which I've read and continue to read repeatedly, but otherwise they might mean the foundational texts of their religions, so like Hindus often say the Vedas are their major scripture or foundational text, Krishna followers might like the Bhagavad Gita which is taken out from part of the Mahabharata I think, and I've also read lots of available Buddhist writings, suttas and sutras from the Tripitaka and the Mahayana corpus of works too, and I've even read the Taoist writings in their two major "scriptures" and the Analects of Confucius.

I have not been able to read much of Baha'u'llah or Bab or anything like that, but I've read writings attributed to various Muslim mytical writers here and there, I don't know what they all were, but I am interested in the Assassins and Ismaeli stuff and Medieval weird mystical stuff that may have been around the time of the Templars.

I've read the foundational writings and procedures of the Jesuits, they seemed to have some Muslim things going on maybe.

Anyway, compared to the Qur'an, personally, its all pretty rubbish in my opinion, very difficult or even amazing that religions or spiritual practices were even based off of these things or people are still trying to make religions out of them, when the Qur'an is in comparison so obvious, clear, and so much more complete by far.

I've read Egyptian stuff as well as it has been translated into English, Hittite stuff, Akkadian stuff, all kinds of stuff, its like all I've been doing for years and years.

So much of my digital library was on the SD card that I recently had thrown away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is ok though, I have read so much already, its sort of a relief, but what I lament more are the loss of over half a decade maybe of photos and things that I hope I remember, gosh! I try to think that maybe some good will be triggered by this horrible loss of so much stuff so simply, but it just fills me with sadness and helpless terror even.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Someone made a thread about pedophilia, homosexuality, predatory behavior. This has a lot to do with the "tastes and preferences" thing as well, and I don't want all that I wrote on that thread but never got a chance to post because it was deleted, to be totally wasted and lost or un-readable.

So people can mention here, if they so wish to, their sexual interests, fantasies, and preferences, and how they mesh with their religions and religious beliefs and interests.

For me, I'm straight edge or whatever in every regard, completely conservative about every sort of thing, despising anything I deem as perversity or which I don't have any taste for or find unacceptable, particularly the further "out there" it seems to get. I especially hate anything having to do with inflicting pain or receiving pain. The young lady who lives above me was having some wild and loud sex one night, and I listened, and there was a lot of violence involved (for my tastes anyway), when I could hear her swearing and receiving lots of spanks or slaps or hitting or something loudly smack smack. I have resented her a lot ever since and found it all very annoying. I can not be happy when other people are loudly and obnoxiously "enjoying themselves" with imitations of pornographic films that I've never seen (and I didn't even get to see this one either! Like when I used to have these static'ed out channels on tv that you could only hear some kind of pornographic content on, drat!).

I will also show what I wrote on that pedophilia stuff (also relevant perhaps because so many people accuse Muhammed of pedophilia):

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You know what's weird (and pretty sensitive, to say the least).

Years ago people thought homosexuals abuse and molest children. They figured (say in the 1990s) that if a homosexual was a boy scout leader, he will molest the boys because he is attracted to people with the same genitalia as himself. Almost as if attraction was so out of wack for homosexuals that they'd have sex with anyone. Years later, they found out homosexuality has nothing to do with child abuse...

Pedophiles are people who are attracted to children. That attraction does not mean someone will "choose" to abuse children anymore do homosexuals attraction will make him go willy nilly over every guy he sees. They finally took out the association between homosexuals and child abuse, but they still have pedophiles with child abuse. The former is an attraction-it's not a choice. The latter is an action-it is a choice.

Which is weird too because homosexuality used to be a diagnosis and pedophile is a diagnosis (Difference Between a Sex Offender and a Pedophile?). Though a lot of people (so read) who commit child abuse are heterosexuals and are attracted to adults physiologically.

I don't know. Like other topics political, religious, etc, when the terms are used in the manner outside its context and/or association it annoys me.

Do you think someday it will be considered acceptable for children and those sexually attracted to them to be legally permitted and united? A homosexual would no longer feel sexually attracted to a man if that man suddenly appeared like a woman, right? So would these people attracted to children or pre-pubescent people have to find new people to feel attraction for once they develop normal sexual features and become adults? Sounds like its a very difficult curse upon their mental wiring (like any severe mental problem or disability), that they can never feel sexual attraction for people who are of an age that can be considered in their senses enough to consent, who also so rapidly become sexually unattractive to these people.

Is anyone on this website willing to admit to being a pedophile? That doesn't mean you're admitting to being a sexual predator or criminal. How about if you've noticed in yourself some kind of interest or attraction to people who are much smaller than you or easier seeming to dominate or control and make you feel bigger, or if you feel like a little kid yourself who is only interested in other little kids like you imagine yourself to still be? What about an attraction to like play acting and role play and "school girl" outfits or people dressed like or acting like babies even if they are adult? Do any of you have fantasies or tastes like that?

Anything weird at all? There are some people who are sexually attracted to animals and beasts, who are also considered unable to consent really, do you think there is any hope for them? Any such people on this website? Or people who have an attraction to like imagining themselves or others as animals or dressing up as animals or some kind of animal thing going on? Maybe even animals watching?

To what degree are you plain white bread and butter or deviant and out there with your sexual interests and preferences? I'd love to know, either here, or in my inbox on the website, or my email inbox at [email protected] if you want to confess there. Don't send me or tell me about any illegal activities though please, I don't want to get in trouble or go to jail or something for doing nothing about it.

Also you should probably know that I have a low opinion of all sorts of criminals and deviants, but you might help me to change that by explaining what exactly is going on with you all and what the inner experience is like of being a real person obsessed with children in a sexual way or whatever.

I don't like kids at all, they don't have the things that I like, like developed breasts, big butts, big enough mouths (even though they are still loud and annoying). They aren't sexually developed, and their orifices are probably damaged by being too small anyway, and its probably not right to have a sexual relationship with kids who haven't even been on this Earth for many years (or is 5 too many already?).

It seems to be incredibly difficult for some homosexual people to refrain from all sexual activity due to their sexual preference or attraction, even when they try (due to their religions or whatever). Is that what pedophiles are expected to do, even while they are "accepted"? It seems to have failed in the case of most homosexuals to ask them to refrain from having any sort of homosexual sex.
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I think if we're going to start accepting pedophiles now, which seems to be where this whole "lets see the other side of the picture" thing is going, we might as well go for it as soon as possible, lets see just how rotten we can make North American Culture.

I argued with these horrible little girls on Discord and stuff because they seemed to be lenient about the actions of people who kill and even torture lots of animals for their religious beliefs or whatever, because to deny them this or question it or oppose it would be to say something against some tradition or ethnic cultural practice or something. Is that called being Politically Correct to the point of Destruction?

Islam is not that Open and Accepting in my opinion, and infanticide was a widespread practice around the world, which Islam took a very strong position against. I'm sure there are people even today who would love to fight for the rights of people to kill their living newborns for various reasons, and who really don't like being called monsters for it.

I personally don't even like children or babies, but I can see how it isn't quite right to deprive an innocent life of any chance of living! Same goes for animals! Similarly, they should not have certain states imposed upon them forcefully or without much control, like forcing them to be married or in sexual relationships or encounters.

Then again, people also force their religions on people almost as soon as they are born!

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Someone made a thread about pedophilia, homosexuality, predatory behavior. This has a lot to do with the "tastes and preferences" thing as well, and I don't want all that I wrote on that thread but never got a chance to post because it was deleted, to be totally wasted and lost or un-readable.

So people can mention here, if they so wish to, their sexual interests, fantasies, and preferences, and how they mesh with their religions and religious beliefs and interests.

For me, I'm straight edge or whatever in every regard, completely conservative about every sort of thing, despising anything I deem as perversity or which I don't have any taste for or find unacceptable, particularly the further "out there" it seems to get. I especially hate anything having to do with inflicting pain or receiving pain. The young lady who lives above me was having some wild and loud sex one night, and I listened, and there was a lot of violence involved (for my tastes anyway), when I could hear her swearing and receiving lots of spanks or slaps or hitting or something loudly smack smack. I have resented her a lot ever since and found it all very annoying. I can not be happy when other people are loudly and obnoxiously "enjoying themselves" with imitations of pornographic films that I've never seen (and I didn't even get to see this one either! Like when I used to have these static'ed out channels on tv that you could only hear some kind of pornographic content on, drat!).

I will also show what I wrote on that pedophilia stuff (also relevant perhaps because so many people accuse Muhammed of pedophilia):

"


Do you think someday it will be considered acceptable for children and those sexually attracted to them to be legally permitted and united? A homosexual would no longer feel sexually attracted to a man if that man suddenly appeared like a woman, right? So would these people attracted to children or pre-pubescent people have to find new people to feel attraction for once they develop normal sexual features and become adults? Sounds like its a very difficult curse upon their mental wiring (like any severe mental problem or disability), that they can never feel sexual attraction for people who are of an age that can be considered in their senses enough to consent, who also so rapidly become sexually unattractive to these people.

Is anyone on this website willing to admit to being a pedophile? That doesn't mean you're admitting to being a sexual predator or criminal. How about if you've noticed in yourself some kind of interest or attraction to people who are much smaller than you or easier seeming to dominate or control and make you feel bigger, or if you feel like a little kid yourself who is only interested in other little kids like you imagine yourself to still be? What about an attraction to like play acting and role play and "school girl" outfits or people dressed like or acting like babies even if they are adult? Do any of you have fantasies or tastes like that?

Anything weird at all? There are some people who are sexually attracted to animals and beasts, who are also considered unable to consent really, do you think there is any hope for them? Any such people on this website? Or people who have an attraction to like imagining themselves or others as animals or dressing up as animals or some kind of animal thing going on? Maybe even animals watching?

To what degree are you plain white bread and butter or deviant and out there with your sexual interests and preferences? I'd love to know, either here, or in my inbox on the website, or my email inbox at [email protected] if you want to confess there. Don't send me or tell me about any illegal activities though please, I don't want to get in trouble or go to jail or something for doing nothing about it.

Also you should probably know that I have a low opinion of all sorts of criminals and deviants, but you might help me to change that by explaining what exactly is going on with you all and what the inner experience is like of being a real person obsessed with children in a sexual way or whatever.

I don't like kids at all, they don't have the things that I like, like developed breasts, big butts, big enough mouths (even though they are still loud and annoying). They aren't sexually developed, and their orifices are probably damaged by being too small anyway, and its probably not right to have a sexual relationship with kids who haven't even been on this Earth for many years (or is 5 too many already?).

It seems to be incredibly difficult for some homosexual people to refrain from all sexual activity due to their sexual preference or attraction, even when they try (due to their religions or whatever). Is that what pedophiles are expected to do, even while they are "accepted"? It seems to have failed in the case of most homosexuals to ask them to refrain from having any sort of homosexual sex.
"

I think if we're going to start accepting pedophiles now, which seems to be where this whole "lets see the other side of the picture" thing is going, we might as well go for it as soon as possible, lets see just how rotten we can make North American Culture.

I argued with these horrible little girls on Discord and stuff because they seemed to be lenient about the actions of people who kill and even torture lots of animals for their religious beliefs or whatever, because to deny them this or question it or oppose it would be to say something against some tradition or ethnic cultural practice or something. Is that called being Politically Correct to the point of Destruction?

Islam is not that Open and Accepting in my opinion, and infanticide was a widespread practice around the world, which Islam took a very strong position against. I'm sure there are people even today who would love to fight for the rights of people to kill their living newborns for various reasons, and who really don't like being called monsters for it.

I personally don't even like children or babies, but I can see how it isn't quite right to deprive an innocent life of any chance of living! Same goes for animals! Similarly, they should not have certain states imposed upon them forcefully or without much control, like forcing them to be married or in sexual relationships or encounters.

Then again, people also force their religions on people almost as soon as they are born!

It's hard to go through all your points right now, but I do think that you have the wrong definitions of the basics. Maybe from religion?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I was trying to write a whole post awhile back but the thread got deleted right after I pressed enter. So, I'm debating whether to comment on it in full. Took awhile.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

I was trying to write a whole post awhile back but the thread got deleted right after I pressed enter. So, I'm debating whether to comment on it in full. Took awhile.

Can you retrieve what you wrote and copy paste it here, or otherwise in my inbox on here or my email? I'd love to see!

They say of people who are sexual predators (like rapists) that they might actually get aroused by causing pain or forcing people, and that without that element they have trouble getting aroused. I'm the opposite, I get turned off by pain and causing pain or displeasure or complaints or resistance or whatever (which might be normal probably).

They also say of pedophiles that their brains might actually be wired in such a way, for whatever reason or by whatever cause, that they are almost helplessly getting sexual signals in relation to things about children, just like some people have wiring that makes them mix up feet with sexual attraction to feet specifically, but often in the stories of people it seems like there may have been some inciting incidents as well involved with these developments or mental wiring connections too.

Here is a video I think I posted elsewhere that I find really interesting and mentions maybe some of these things related to hormones and brain chemicals and formation:

Likewise, it may even be that religion or religious preferences end up matching up with people who are born certain ways even!

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Here is some more potentially interesting stuff:

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Even our preferences in music, may at this point be considered hard-wired, for example, I recently posted these two favorites of mine:

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This is one of my favorites:

and this version of another song:

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Yet, I am also very attracted to and stimulated by and even inspired by music like this:

which is pretty different from the other music! What is it all about? Its so complex that people just throw up their hands and let it be, but sometimes they can't!

Another favorite:

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Can you retrieve what you wrote and copy paste it here, or otherwise in my inbox on here or my email? I'd love to see!

They say of people who are sexual predators (like rapists) that they might actually get aroused by causing pain or forcing people, and that without that element they have trouble getting aroused. I'm the opposite, I get turned off by pain and causing pain or displeasure or complaints or resistance or whatever (which might be normal probably).

They also say of pedophiles that their brains might actually be wired in such a way, for whatever reason or by whatever cause, that they are almost helplessly getting sexual signals in relation to things about children, just like some people have wiring that makes them mix up feet with sexual attraction to feet specifically, but often in the stories of people it seems like there may have been some inciting incidents as well involved with these developments or mental wiring connections too.

Here is a video I think I posted elsewhere that I find really interesting and mentions maybe some of these things related to hormones and brain chemicals and formation:

Likewise, it may even be that religion or religious preferences end up matching up with people who are born certain ways even!

It was on near death experiences. The topic you had was alright; I'm sure adults can talk about sensitive stuff. Your views and definitions and interpretations were very disarming and very insulting. Comparing homosexuality and pedophiles is highly rude, for lack of better words. Also, I think if your post was shorter, we can see more context.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

I often ask people to email to me a list of all their favorite songs they have every discovered, no matter how many, and I think it might say so much about a person and how they think even.

Here are two or three I consider almost personal themes:

Do you have any songs which you really love for some reason or otherwise which you feel represent aspects of your personality or character well or you feel a strong association with them as if they somehow represent you?

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

It was on near death experiences. The topic you had was alright; I'm sure adults can talk about sensitive stuff. Your views and definitions and interpretations were very disarming and very insulting. Comparing homosexuality and pedophiles is highly rude, for lack of better words. Also, I think if your post was shorter, we can see more context.

I think comparing homosexuals to pedophiles is also rude, I think you mentioned that it was common in the past for people to do so as well, or otherwise to think that homosexuals might be potentially pedophiles and not to be trusted around children, but that those things have changed, and so things might also change with how people end up treating, trusting, and dealing with admitted pedophiles.

If you have something about Near Death Experiences, I'd love to hear about that as well, that is one of my areas of interest as well!

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

It's hard to go through all your points right now, but I do think that you have the wrong definitions of the basics. Maybe from religion?

Yes, please correct me in all respects that you are able, and feel free to take your time with it, my misunderstandings are probably not my own, but likely exist in a lot of people, so it may be very useful to anyone who ends up reading your corrections to get them to understand things more correctly and up to date.

Yes, due to religion, I think homosexuality is forbidden, wrong, and a curse. I don't think that I would likely think this except for religion probably. Generally I prefer homosexuals, so long as they are not pushy at all and stay among themselves, which then makes women all the more available for me. Ultimately, I wouldn't mind if all men were homosexuals, utterly feminized or turned into women or ideally "real women" 100% (and beautiful ones at that) or totally eliminated (except me, and I wouldn't want to be anything except a male myself).

Homosexuality has been disparaged by practically all the religions and religious writings since Ancient times mainly, particularly in Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, and was not really acceptable (as popularly thought) in some of the cultures that people tend to think accepted it or were homosexual, it is a very recent thing that it has become so acceptable in its current form, I think that is a great thing too, because I would hate it if I were a homosexual and restricted from pursuing whatever it is I wanted to pursue, the same goes for if I was anything else and wanted anything else, I would want all troubles and restrictions regarding whatever I was interested in pursuing to be eliminated or non-existent.

Personally, I have no interest in or attraction to men, simply because they are men and not women, so have sexual features and appearances which don't interest me. If a man looks like a woman, than I am attracted to a woman in appearance and the female appearance (and estrogenic stereotypes and features), but if it turns out to be not a woman by birth or having the full functioning and original sexual organs of a woman, I would likely reject them (unless they are really convincing and undeniably hyper-attractive or something) though I'd still likely only keep them around as "eye candy" and never strongly commit to being their mate or whatever or having any sort of intercourse. The idea that it is "really a man/born a man" would really disturb me and make me sad probably. These are the realities.

It may have something to do with religion, probably a lot to do with religion, even culture and my family, but it may also have something to do with wiring as well.

I don't have a problem saying men are attractive or women are attractive or what I like to see or empathize with, but I do have a problem with their biological origins. I'm similarly disturbed by the idea of intercourse with one's own parents or siblings (like episodes I've seen of SVU and real cases), but I have often though that if I found myself in such a situation, finding out later that such is the case, that I would likely continue to do what I had been doing, and make no changes if I have developed a relationship with the person or destroy it based on these biological issues, and the same goes for a man (but its very offensive if they have knowingly withheld this information or deceived me and led me into such a situation, similarly to how angered I would be by being given a disease or something by someone who knew they had it or could get it and then transferred it to me irresponsibly or knowingly!). The degree to which I might despise such a person forever may be total, but I would have to strategically assess what my options would be, but in the case of someone who discovers their wife is somehow their long lost sister or something, I think they were innocent and should remain together and love each other for as long as they possibly can, and that separating from someone for reasons like these where nothing wrong was knowingly done is much worse ethically.

 

[SomeRandom]

Yes, please correct me in all respects that you are able, and feel free to take your time with it, my misunderstandings are probably not my own, but likely exist in a lot of people, so it may be very useful to anyone who ends up reading your corrections to get them to understand things more correctly and up to date.

Yes, due to religion, I think homosexuality is forbidden, wrong, and a curse. I don't think that I would likely think this except for religion probably. Generally I prefer homosexuals, so long as they are not pushy at all and stay among themselves, which then makes women all the more available for me. Ultimately, I wouldn't mind if all men were homosexuals, utterly feminized or turned into women or ideally "real women" 100% (and beautiful ones at that) or totally eliminated (except me, and I wouldn't want to be anything except a male myself).

Homosexuality has been disparaged by practically all the religions and religious writings since Ancient times mainly, particularly in Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, and was not really acceptable (as popularly thought) in some of the cultures that people tend to think accepted it or were homosexual, it is a very recent thing that it has become so acceptable in its current form, I think that is a great thing too, because I would hate it if I were a homosexual and restricted from pursuing whatever it is I wanted to pursue, the same goes for if I was anything else and wanted anything else, I would want all troubles and restrictions regarding whatever I was interested in pursuing to be eliminated or non-existent.

Personally, I have no interest in or attraction to men, simply because they are men and not women, so have sexual features and appearances which don't interest me. If a man looks like a woman, than I am attracted to a woman in appearance and the female appearance (and estrogenic stereotypes and features), but if it turns out to be not a woman by birth or having the full functioning and original sexual organs of a woman, I would likely reject them (unless they are really convincing and undeniably hyper-attractive or something) though I'd still likely only keep them around as "eye candy" and never strongly commit to being their mate or whatever or having any sort of intercourse. The idea that it is "really a man/born a man" would really disturb me and make me sad probably. These are the realities.

It may have something to do with religion, probably a lot to do with religion, even culture and my family, but it may also have something to do with wiring as well.

I don't have a problem saying men are attractive or women are attractive or what I like to see or empathize with, but I do have a problem with their biological origins. I'm similarly disturbed by the idea of intercourse with one's own parents or siblings (like episodes I've seen of SVU and real cases), but I have often though that if I found myself in such a situation, finding out later that such is the case, that I would likely continue to do what I had been doing, and make no changes if I have developed a relationship with the person or destroy it based on these biological issues, and the same goes for a man (but its very offensive if they have knowingly withheld this information or deceived me and led me into such a situation, similarly to how angered I would be by being given a disease or something by someone who knew they had it or could get it and then transferred it to me irresponsibly or knowingly!). The degree to which I might despise such a person forever may be total, but I would have to strategically assess what my options would be, but in the case of someone who discovers their wife is somehow their long lost sister or something, I think they were innocent and should remain together and love each other for as long as they possibly can, and that separating from someone for reasons like these where nothing wrong was knowingly done is much worse ethically.

Ehh, I dunno if Ancient Buddhism forbid homosexuality. Such ideas come through “murky” modern translations. The subject is at best debatable. With some scholars arguing that there were no special sanctions against homosexuality present in the ancient texts.
Maybe some branches, but generally much like the Ancient Greeks, Dharmic definitions of human sexuality, sex and indeed even gender do not map onto modern Western thoughts neatly at all.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I think comparing homosexuals to pedophiles is also rude, I think you mentioned that it was common in the past for people to do so as well, or otherwise to think that homosexuals might be potentially pedophiles and not to be trusted around children, but that those things have changed, and so things might also change with how people end up treating, trusting, and dealing with admitted pedophiles.

If you have something about Near Death Experiences, I'd love to hear about that as well, that is one of my areas of interest as well!

The comparison is off a bit. It's because it's assuming pedophiles is the same as child abusers. (Just as they thought homosexuals were the same as child abusers).

A person can be a pedophile and never ever think about harming a child. Yet, "because" she is attracted to children, she is a pedophile. It's a label just as homosexual is a label. Child abuser is not related to either.

I can see in the future (as I saw a couple links already describing the differences) that people will understand pedophile definition compare to child abuser. That does not mean the terms will be accepted and, of course, it doesn't mean child abusers will "get away" with abuse just because we get the terms right. Getting the terms right will help with the stereotypes (like we're starting to with homosexuality), but that won't justify child abuse (and can't be compared to homosexuality).

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Ehh, I dunno if Ancient Buddhism forbid homosexuality. Such ideas come through “murky” modern translations. The subject is at best debatable. With some scholars arguing that there were no special sanctions against homosexuality present in the ancient texts.
Maybe some branches, but generally much like the Ancient Greeks, Dharmic definitions of human sexuality, sex and indeed even gender do not map onto modern Western thoughts neatly at all.

The Dharma, so far I read, doesn't mention homosexuality. It just says not to have sexual misconduct. Cultural conditions probably forbid same-sex relations but homosexuality, that's most likely never mentioned if not heard of back then.

 

[SomeRandom]

The Dharma, so far I read, doesn't mention homosexuality. It just says not to have sexual misconduct. Cultural conditions probably forbid same-sex relations but homosexuality, that's most likely never mentioned if not heard of back then.

That’s where the “debate” seems to largely stem from, I think. There are instances of certain homosexual conduct being forbidden but also there are instances where it’s not really considered adharmic. It’s at best “complicated.”

 

[Unveiled Artist]

That’s where the “debate” seems to largely stem from, I think. There are instances of certain homosexual conduct being forbidden but also there are instances where it’s not really considered adharmic. It’s at best “complicated.”

I separate homosexual and homosexuality from same-sex sex since the latter is not dependent on who one is attracted to. Since we're talking about behavior and not attraction, I drop the two.

Many cultures, I think, believe same-sex sex as unnatural or maybe wrong because it goes out of the goal of say continuing a family after generations. Also, men and women have different roles so to keep those roles within the family is considered healthy. I only have an idea of the christian view, though. Even with that, nowadays, thankfully, we're seeing sexual behavior and relations are immoral based on whether either party hurts each other. If there is no illegal issue and its appropriate between the two people involved, there's little to no concern.

 

[SomeRandom]

I separate homosexual and homosexuality from same-sex sex since the latter is not dependent on who one is attracted to. Since we're talking about behavior and not attraction, I drop the two.

Many cultures, I think, believe same-sex sex as unnatural or maybe wrong because it goes out of the goal of say continuing a family after generations. Also, men and women have different roles so to keep those roles within the family is considered healthy. I only have an idea of the christian view, though. Even with that, nowadays, thankfully, we're seeing sexual behavior and relations are immoral based on whether either party hurts each other. If there is no illegal issue and its appropriate between the two people involved, there's little to no concern.

Not necessarily. For instance the Greek paragon of Masculinity, Heracles had many male lovers throughout his adventures. (Though he was always the “top” because that was masculine.)
I think it was his most infamous male lover Iolus’s pyre that he threw himself on. But like all ancient Myths that depends on who you ask.

Among ancient Hindus there was special protections given to the “Hijra.” (Roughly anything outside heterosexuality.) With many traditions considering their participation as necessary and holy. They even have their own deities who protect them.
Traditions vary of course. With some ostracising them. Though I think never a transgender person, for that would be a significant Adharmic action in even the most traditional paths. Of course that doesn’t mean there isn’t loads of transphobia/homophobia amongst Hindus. Many chalking it up to Abrahamic influence more than anything. I think it’s both Abrahamic influence and good old fashioned bigotry myself. But eh.
Since Buddhism and Hinduism are “cousins” this is why I question whether or not they had restrictions against homosexuality. Or rather they just had “interesting” ideas about human sexuality overall

 

[SeekerOnThePath]

One thing you should know is Brother that I truly respect your patience and humility.

I was born a Muslim in the Sunni tradition predominantly following the Shafi school of thought. I like to think I grew out of it.

The first book on theology I read was the Quran. The second book I loved to read was an evangelical book on the JW's theology. It was a small book an intrigued me immensely. It had pictures, and the writing was fantastic. Well, I was a kid at the time. Life takes you through many people and a lot of things push you in various paths. Thats why your question in this thread is probably the most difficult to answer pragmatically.

Why am I a Muslim? The answer would take a book. Trying to put it in a nutshell is an uphill battle.

The Qur'an is the reason for my faith. In my opinion it is the most coherent book and is a recitation. Though its written down in paper it was meant to be a recitation. Quran means recitation. If you practice any type of criticism on the text of the Quran, it stands against them all in my opinion. It is a 7th century work, written by one man. Not two, but one. Thus the book needs a holistic look, not a verse by verse exegesis like most do. Even Muslims when they discuss with people of other faiths they will take it as one book, but in their theology they take it as a book written one verse or segments at a time. But I like to think of it as one book, one revelation, and that's the basis of my faith. In a nutshell, this is why I am a Muslim.

Its not enough I understand as a reason. But there is a lot in this statement that I made to me. And this is a very rare occurrence explaining why I am what I am, yet since your language is that humble I did not have a choice really.

Maybe you could ask me concise questions and I will respond further. Hope that's okay with you.

Brother, I just thought I'd say, I like your posts a lot, I find you a really interesting fellow Muslim. Like Artis Magistra, you have lots of great insights and I like that you dive straight into the difficult questions in many threads (in contrast to Islamophobes and wannabe critics of Islam who use difficult questions like a hostage negotiation).