Teacher's Unions

[Friend of Mara]

Can someone please explain to me why so many people hate teacher's unions? Is it because it is a union? Is it because they are teachers? I am confusion.

 

[Nakosis]

Can someone please explain to me why so many people hate teacher's unions? Is it because it is a union? Is it because they are teachers? I am confusion.

It's because of the power.
Their power means you have less of it.

 

[Friend of Mara]

It's because of the power.
Their power means you have less of it.

Who is the "you" in that situation? The "you" in the situation of teacher's union is limiting the power of the employer and empowering the workers. Usually when people hate teacher's unions they also don't like big government. So again I am confusion.

 

[Secret Chief]

Union = Socialism = Anti-American = Evil.

 

[Nakosis]

Who is the "you" in that situation? The "you" in the situation of teacher's union is limiting the power of the employer and empowering the workers. Usually when people hate teacher's unions they also don't like big government. So again I am confusion.

You is whoever is not part of the union.

Like parents, or government or the employers.
In Calif, the state has little control over the teachers union.

I'd think big government would have more control over teacher's unions. Which is all well and good I suppose as long as your party of preference is running things.

 

[metis]

Can someone please explain to me why so many people hate teacher's unions? Is it because it is a union? Is it because they are teachers? I am confusion.

Good question, but there are a lot of people brainwashed in American society so as to believe that they are like the boogeyman. Unions are an exercise within democratic values, but you'll never convince the right wingers of that. I've worked in both union and non-union places, and I'll tell anyone right not that I much prefer the former.

 

[metis]

It's because of the power.
Their power means you have less of it.

It's the opposite that's actually the case as that leaves literally all the power at the top.

 

[metis]

Union = Socialism = Anti-American = Evil.

Nonsense. Go tell the above to the Canadians and see what reaction you get.

 

[Nakosis]

It's the opposite that's actually the case as that leaves literally all the power at the top.

Teacher's unions in Calif have all the power.
They are at the top.

 

[Vinayaka]

Can someone please explain to me why so many people hate teacher's unions? Is it because it is a union? Is it because they are teachers? I am confusion.

I was a member of a Teacher's Association in Canada. Not sure how it works in the US but probably similar. Here are some reasons. I can dispute them all, but this is how I perceived it.
- People thought we didn't work hard, and were overpaid, and got 3 months paid holidays.
- Poor teachers had access to lawyers, when things went wrong, and the union did it's a best to protect abusive or criminal teachers.
- Teachers represented a communist plot, more or less.
- Teachers spent too much time not teaching the basics, and just having fun.
- Unions are unions, and because it's a union, it's bad.

 

[metis]

Teacher's unions in Calif have all the power.
They are at the top.

Oh really? even over the courts? even over the government that passes laws?

Again, I've worked for both, so please don't tell me what I've experienced over many years of working, plus what my father and maternal grandfather also experienced.

 

[Friend of Mara]

You is whoever is not part of the union.

Like parents, or government or the employers.
In Calif, the state has little control over the teachers union.

I'd think big government would have more control over teacher's unions. Which is all well and good I suppose as long as your party of preference is running things.

Why would the government have control over a union that is employed by the government? Having no union would be optimal for the employer.

Parents would have no more or less control given the existence of a union. As the vast majority of union issues are based on treatment of teachers such as pay, benefits ect.

 

[Truthseeker]

Can someone please explain to me why so many people hate teacher's unions? Is it because it is a union? Is it because they are teachers? I am confusion.

In the case of the Chicago teachers union, I heard today that they demand the parents decide whether to test for Covid-19. In schools in the past the school routinely decided whether to give vaccinations or not, etc. Unfortunately all things connected to Covid-19 have become politicized.

I believe that all concerned should follow health experts in this regard. Naturally a number of people would be angry at this particular teachers union.

 

[Friend of Mara]

Teacher's unions in Calif have all the power.
They are at the top.

The power to do ...what? What executive decisions have they made that should not be delegated to them?

 

[Friend of Mara]

In the case of the Chicago teachers union, I heard today that they demand the parents decide whether to test for Covid-19. In schools in the past the school routinely decided whether to give vaccinations or not, etc. Unfortunately all things connected to Covid-19 have become politicized.

I believe that all concerned should follow health experts in this regard. Naturally a number of people would be angry at this particular teachers union.

That is unprecedented but we live in unprecedented times. Though vaccine requirements are nothing new either. At least a minor issue I could sympathize with for one particular area that isn't, as far as I understand, anti-teacher's union.

 

[Nakosis]

Why would the government have control over a union that is employed by the government? Having no union would be optimal for the employer.

Ok, I'm just pointing out why the employer, the state might hate the union.

Parents would have no more or less control given the existence of a union. As the vast majority of union issues are based on treatment of teachers such as pay, benefits ect.

Apparently not.
CA Parents Seek to Abolish the California Teachers' Association - California Globe

 

[Friend of Mara]

I taught of 36 years and never got paid for the summer. As it was, I always worked over the summer in whatever jobs I could get.

So teachers don't have a right to challenge what one might be charged with? In any job, one should be able to do that.

You've gotta be kidding.

"Nice" stereotype. Maybe you should talk to my wife about how supposedly easy I had it or my daughter who teaches at a high school.

And the logic with that is...?

I believe they are just stating what they experienced as complaints levied against them. Not things they believed.

 

[Nakosis]

The power to do ...what? What executive decisions have they made that should not be delegated to them?

To make decisions about the education in Calif.
I'm not arguing about what is being delegated where, just what is.

 

[metis]

I believe they are just stating what they experienced as complaints levied against them. Not things they believed.

Oops, you're right as I misread the intent, thus I'll correct it. Thanks for the heads-up.

 

[metis]

I was a member of a Teacher's Association in Canada. Not sure how it works in the US but probably similar. Here are some reasons. I can dispute them all, but this is how I perceived it.
- People thought we didn't work hard, and were overpaid, and got 3 months paid holidays.
- Poor teachers had access to lawyers, when things went wrong, and the union did it's a best to protect abusive or criminal teachers.
- Teachers represented a communist plot, more or less.
- Teachers spent too much time not teaching the basics, and just having fun.
- Unions are unions, and because it's a union, it's bad.

Ya, I heard all of those as well at one time or another.