"Teaching Creationism is Child Abuse"

[Warren Clark]

The Set-up

"Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), a Catholic, said in a recent interview that the age of the Earth is a mystery as there are multiple theories out there.

"Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that," he told GQ magazine for its December issue

He continued, saying there are multiple theories out there on how the universe was created and that in the United States,
people "should have the opportunity to teach them all."
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The Response

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While not "child abuse" in its usual sense, I do believe that misinforming children is an abuse of their intellect.

What say you?

i love big think =)

 

[Warren Clark]

The way you define "child abuse"
is broad, & is of little use.
Mere myth which is magic
ain't nearly as tragic
as wounds which assault would produce.

I see at least a couple classes of wrongful behavior by parents:
1) Abuse (rape, broken bones, etc)
2) Things I'd rather they not do (teach creationism, vote for Obama, etc)
To have one term, ie, "abuse", cover both strikes me as counter-productive.

its considered child abuse to withhold your kid from an education. It is also child abuse to yell and curse at a child causing issues for the child mentally.

 

[Revoltingest]

its considered child abuse to withhold your kid from an education. It is also child abuse to yell and curse at a child causing issues for the child mentally.

One can teach creationism & still give the kid a good education. I've known some!
Teaching it needn't involve verbal abuse, so that's a red herring.

What....no limerick in response?

 

[Warren Clark]

One can teach creationism & still give the kid a good education. I've known some!
Teaching it needn't involve verbal abuse, so that's a red herring.

What....no limerick in response?

When you tell someone that creation actually happened, then you are against the truth. It is mythology. There is no truth to it.
The world is not under a million years old. No matter how religious you are, there is the truth and there is misinformation.
Believing the earth is young and was spontaneously made by a supernatural being contradicts know facts.
The earth is known to be older than 100 million years because carbon dating (an accurate method of measurement [look it up]) proves it.

Withholding an education IS child abuse.
There is no need to be soft and cuddly about this response.
You are keeping people, kids who will become adults, from the truth.
By misinforming them you will cause them to be stupid and ignorant as adults.
My mother home-schooled me using Bob Jones text books.
I will never ever believe there is any right for anyone to misinform a kid in such a way.

 

[Revoltingest]

When you tell someone that creation actually happened, then you are against the truth. It is mythology.

Then are Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc, etc all child abusers for teaching myths to their kids as truth?

Withholding an education IS child abuse.

Teaching religious myths doesn't require withholding education.

There is no need to be soft and cuddly about this response.
You are keeping people, kids who will become adults, from the truth.
By misinforming them you will cause them to be stupid and ignorant as adults.
My mother home-schooled me using Bob Jones text books.
I will never ever believe there is any right for anyone to misinform a kid in such a way.

I now understand your anger better though.

 

[lunamoth]

When you tell someone that creation actually happened, then you are against the truth. It is mythology. There is no truth to it.
The world is not under a million years old. No matter how religious you are, there is the truth and there is misinformation.
Believing the earth is young and was spontaneously made by a supernatural being contradicts know facts.
The earth is known to be older than 100 million years because carbon dating (an accurate method of measurement [look it up]) proves it.

Withholding an education IS child abuse.
There is no need to be soft and cuddly about this response.
You are keeping people, kids who will become adults, from the truth.
By misinforming them you will cause them to be stupid and ignorant as adults.
My mother home-schooled me using Bob Jones text books.
I will never ever believe there is any right for anyone to misinform a kid in such a way.

She was quite wrong, but she was not trying to abuse you, cause you intentional harm.

Misguided misinformation is not in the same category as child abuse.

 

[Warren Clark]

Then are Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc, etc all child abusers for teaching myths to their kids as truth?


Teaching religious myths doesn't require withholding education.


I now understand your anger better though.

She was quite wrong, but she was not trying to abuse you, cause you intentional harm.

Misguided misinformation is not in the same category as child abuse.

Abuse or harm does not have to be intended.
My mother meant her best. But she was still listed as a charge when she was arraigned. (There were a series of other charges along with.)

I wouldn't care if creation was taught with world religions or mythology class. But it will never ever belong in a science class room.

 

[Sunstone]

Withholding an education IS child abuse.

I tend to agree with you.

 

[lunamoth]

Abuse or harm does not have to be intended.
My mother meant her best. But she was still listed as a charge when she was arraigned. (There were a series of other charges along with.)

That sounds like there is more to it than just teaching creationism instead of science. I have not read the whole thread, and I apologize for misunderstanding if you actually are a victim of abuse that somehow involved your mom and religion. I certainly agree that there is a lot that does qualify as child abuse that takes place in the name of religion, but teaching creationism just does not fit that bill IMHO.

I wouldn't care if creation was taught with world religions or mythology class. But it will never ever belong in a science class room.

I totally agree.

 

[Warren Clark]

That sounds like there is more to it than just teaching creationism instead of religion. I have not read the whole thread, and I apologize for misunderstanding if you actually are a victim of abuse that somehow involved your mom and religion. I certainly agree that there is a lot that does qualify as child abuse that takes place in the name of religion, but teaching creationism just does not fit that bill IMHO.



I totally agree.

The only relevance was that of my teachings from Bob Jones.
My mother was charged with abuse, but withholding of education was one of the counts against her as stated by the DHS (Department Human Services) caseworker.
The other charges are not relevant in this particular discussion.

 

[Revoltingest]

The only relevance was that of my teachings from Bob Jones.
My mother was charged with abuse, but withholding of education was one of the counts against her as stated by the DHS (Department Human Services) caseworker.
The other charges are not relevant in this particular discussion.

It sounds awful. To teach creationism in lieu of science as part of a larger picture of child abuse could exacerbate it.

 

[bandress]

Teaching is the holy purpose. And when it comes to kids the kids are not enough intellectual to understand the answers but are curious about this and that. I would just say that I do admit that this like a child abuse to answer them wrong what you know is right. Right information conveying is teacher's duty and this would be dishonesty to not to answer correctly some you suppose to know.

I really mean that.

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[Jared Jammer]

Teaching a child the abiogenesis-and-Darwinism creation story is child abuse. Not only are you teaching your child evidence-free pseudoscience, but you're also teaching them psychologically-scarring nihilism. Children need to be taught 21st-century biology, not 19th-century ignorance.

On a side note, [youtube]TqANWuXQ3Z0[/youtube]
here's philosopher William Lane Craig mopping the floor with the aforementioned nutjob Lawrence Krauss.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Teaching creationism isn't child abuse - it's just dumb.

 

[Me Myself]

Teaching a child the abiogenesis-and-Darwinism creation story is child abuse. Not only are you teaching your child evidence-free pseudoscience, but you're also teaching them psychologically-scarring nihilism. Children need to be taught 21st-century biology, not 19th-century ignorance.

On a side note, [youtube]TqANWuXQ3Z0[/youtube]
here's philosopher William Lane Craig mopping the floor with the aforementioned nutjob Lawrence Krauss.

Oh I agree we shouldnt teach Darwin creation story.

Just evolution.

You do understand that evlution DOES NOT describe the origin of the species and that no eespectable biologist alive today will tell you that it does, right?

Evolution is not an alternative to creationism evolution merely teaches us that soecies have, well, evolved.

Aout pseudo science, I DEFY YOU to quote ONE non religious BIOLOGIST alive TODAY that says evolution has not been sufficiently evidenced.

 

[Sunstone]

Teaching a child the abiogenesis-and-Darwinism creation story is child abuse. Not only are you teaching your child evidence-free pseudoscience, but you're also teaching them psychologically-scarring nihilism. Children need to be taught 21st-century biology, not 19th-century ignorance.

On a side note, [youtube]TqANWuXQ3Z0[/youtube]
here's philosopher William Lane Craig mopping the floor with the aforementioned nutjob Lawrence Krauss.

Glad I don't know your kids. I'd feel bad for them.

 

[Father Heathen]

Teaching a child the abiogenesis-and-Darwinism creation story is child abuse. Not only are you teaching your child evidence-free pseudoscience,

Creationists are like infants; believing that what's in front of them vanishes when they close their eyes. There is an insurmountable mountain of evidence (such as fossil records and drug-resistant bacteria, etc.) that supports and confirms ToE, and the international scientific community overwhelmingly accepts the theory of evolution.

but you're also teaching them psychologically-scarring nihilism.

What a total non-sequitur - Biology has nothing to do with philosophy or ethics.

Children need to be taught 21st-century biology, not 19th-century ignorance.

Okay, name some respected, credible biologists that denounce the theory of evolution.

 

[fantome profane]

Teaching a child the abiogenesis-and-Darwinism creation story is child abuse. Not only are you teaching your child evidence-free pseudoscience, but you're also teaching them psychologically-scarring nihilism. Children need to be taught 21st-century biology, not 19th-century ignorance.

On a side note, [youtube]TqANWuXQ3Z0[/youtube]
here's philosopher William Lane Craig mopping the floor with the aforementioned nutjob Lawrence Krauss.

I haven't yet watched this 2 hour video, maybe I will when I have the time.

But here is a short little vide where William Lane Craig answers a question about the age of the universe.


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Christianity and the Age of the World - YouTube


Even he would not teach his children that the earth is only 6000 years old.

 

[jtartar]

The Set-up

"Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), a Catholic, said in a recent interview that the age of the Earth is a mystery as there are multiple theories out there.

"Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that," he told GQ magazine for its December issue

He continued, saying there are multiple theories out there on how the universe was created and that in the United States,
people "should have the opportunity to teach them all."
source


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The Response

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While not "child abuse" in its usual sense, I do believe that misinforming children is an abuse of their intellect.

What say you?

Trebuchet,
Let's consider this from another angle.
If you were out in a wild place and came upon a beautiful house, and there was no one around, would you bleieve that no one made the house, that it just happened. If you believeso you could just move in and tell anyone tha you thought it just happened there. How many judges do you think would believe you???
But you believe that all the creation, which is much more complicated than any house, just happened.
You must also believe that a great thinker who comes uo with a copy of something in creation is a great creator, but the creator of the original which is much more sufisticated, much more intricate, than any inferior substitutre that any man can make, just happened. Instead of you telling that to the judge here on earth, waite until you get a chance to tell that to the Almighty Creator.
You know there are many branches of science that are trying to copy nature for the betterment of mankind. Each have come up with an inferior copy, andthey are extolled as great, but the maker of the real thing is not given any credit.
There are several theories that seem to prove that God exists and created all things, Teleology, or Teleological Proof, and Cosmology. or Cosmological Proof, meaning that creation is a proof of God, especially the ordered, Harmonious COSMOS.
Science ignores one of he most basic Laws in nature: An expolsion produces chaos, The greater the explosion the greater the chaos. That proves the Big Bang Theory is not possible.
There is a funny, simple little riddle: Which came first, the chicken or the egg???
Science, for many years tried, both invivo and intitro, to cause life, of any kind. They did make a few anino acids that are part of life, but no life. They gave up!!!
They KNOW that ABIOGENESIS is impossible. There is more of a chasm between the highest form of non-living things, crystals and snowflakes, and the simplest living thing, than there is between an amoeba and a fully developed man. In other words it is much more likely to happen, that a fully developed man pop up from an amoeba in a petrie dish, than for a living thing to happen from even the highest form of non-living matter.
Have you ever heard of HOMOPLASY?? Think about this!!
Homoplasy is the correspondence between two living beings that evolved in parallel, not even knowing that the other one existed, until they could mate and carry on the species. This is the kind of hogwash that science wants people to believe happened in the distant past, but is impossible now. How did these two living beings exist until they were mature enough to use their sexual organs???
Now, listen to what the Bible says about creation. Romans 1:18-25, and be VERY AFRAID!!!

 

[Skwim]

Thanks for your input.