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Teleological Argument (Aquinas)

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
No it doesn't. You're just interpreting it that way.
Really? How much quantum mechanics have you studied?
"Meta-reality". The mind that has bought into materialism as the sole truth of 'what is' cannot see beyond itself.
The term 'meta-reality' just seems like fluff to me. It has no actual reference.
Actually it doesn't. DNA is a source, self-replication is a cause. These are not the same things.
No, self-replication is the *effect*. DNA (and the other chemicals in the cell) constitutes the cause.
There is no known "deepest level".
Correct. Which is why we should always try to go deeper. But also realize that there may be no answer if you are at the fundamental level.
About that, anything can be said. Because anything is possible.

You have said this a couple of times and it seems to be wrong as far as I can see. in what sense is 'anything possible'?
Whatever the solution to that mystery is, it is beyond our comprehension. But not our imaginations. This is what you materialists really, really don't like. That imagination can probe and explore where evidence and facts and empirical science (knowledge) cannot.
No, imagination is simply speculation that isn't tied to actually being correct. It doesn't probe anything other than our biases until the speculation is *tested* in some way.
Only the scientism cultists think that explaining how something physically functions has somehow explained how and why it exists.
Well, not just how *it* functions, but how other things function to bring it about. Yes, that would explain how and why it exists.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Really? How much quantum mechanics have you studied?
How much art, religion, and philosophy have you studied? The problem here is that you think this is a scientific universe and all the pertinent questions are scientific questions that can be scientifically answered. And this scientific view of reality has caused you to reject and ignore any kind of meta-reality. The reality that religion, philosophy and art explore.
The term 'meta-reality' just seems like fluff to me. It has no actual reference.
Yep, I know. It's unfortunate.
No, self-replication is the *effect*. DNA (and the other chemicals in the cell) constitutes the cause.
All cause is also effect. Neither, however, are the source.
Correct. Which is why we should always try to go deeper. But also realize that there may be no answer if you are at the fundamental level.
"No answer" opens up the huge realm of possibilities for us to explore. And there are plenty of possible solutions. Just not 'scientific' ones.
You have said this a couple of times and it seems to be wrong as far as I can see. in what sense is 'anything possible'?
In the sense that an unresolved mystery provides us with endless possible resolutions to contemplate and 'try on'.
No, imagination is simply speculation that isn't tied to actually being correct.
"Correct" is not relevant once we leave the realm of material interactions. Since you cannot leave that realm, being "correct" is very important to you. But in the bigger picture, it's not the be-all and end-all that you presume it to be.
It doesn't probe anything other than our biases until the speculation is *tested* in some way.
They probe a realm of being that you have rejected as not being relevant.
Well, not just how *it* functions, but how other things function to bring it about. Yes, that would explain how and why it exists.
No, it doesn't really explain anything. Not that understanding relative functionality within "it" isn't important, but it's not the how or why of the mystery of existence.
 
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