Tell me why my personal belief is wrong

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Well, that is clearly wrong. We understand the process involved in planetary formation - and there is no requirement for any supernatural input.

Plus the history of the Abrahamic religions doesn’t show that. Many creation myths say that the universe or whatever made the Gods, not vice versa.

 

[Muffled]

In your opinion

I believe I speak the Truth with guidance from the Holy Spirit.

 

[Muffled]

Yeah, but that depends as such on how you test and what you consider a correct answer. As for truth as truth there are at least 5 different versions, which are not totally compatible.

I believe there is only one Truth. There can be five deceptions that may appear to be true but are not.

 

[Muffled]

Yeah, you are one of the universalist. There is one road to God and that is yours. I am a relativist and individualist when it comes to God.

I believe there are many roads that lead to God but then there are many that do not.

I believe Jesus was also.
Matt 23:19 You blind men! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that makes the gift sacred?

I believe without God that equates to selfishness. With God the differences are in taste not in morality

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

There is absolutely nothing hidden about 'Absolute Truth'.
It is very clear that everything that exists in the universe is made up of 'physical energy', and that is Brahman to me (though other 'advaitists' may differ with me).
Religion to me is 'dharma' (my duties, my obligations). What should be my conduct in life? That is decided by my society and the laws of my country. I accept that.

Yeah, but everything is not the same as one.

 

[Aupmanyav]

True, not in the perceived world, but it is one in 'Absolute reality'.

 

[Valjean]

Yeah, but everything is not the same as one.

The point is, "things," and the world are illusions; hallucinations. They're subjectively real, just like any other dream, but they're not objectively or "Really" real.
We're dreaming the world, and the illusion will evaporate if we 'wake up', just like a nighttime dream evaporates when the alarm clock goes off.

Waking up from our dream of the material world, ie: the transformation of the quantum system from a component state, -- or collapsed wave function, if you prefer -- to a superposition of states, is the ultimate goal of Hinduism.

 

[Valjean]

Then you must deny the historical reliability of the Bible.

Do you really believe in the historical reliability of the Bible?
Biblical historians, scholars and analysts don't.

 

[stvdv]

None that I have come across.

You missed your chance

 

[Aupmanyav]

If I missed something, tell me what did I miss?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

The point is, "things," and the world are illusions; hallucinations. They're subjectively real, just like any other dream, but they're not objectively or "Really" real.
We're dreaming the world, and the illusion will evaporate if we 'wake up', just like a nighttime dream evaporates when the alarm clock goes off.

Waking up from our dream of the material world, ie: the transformation of the quantum system from a component state, -- or collapsed wave function, if you prefer -- to a superposition of states, is the ultimate goal of Hinduism.

Yeah, but I know nothing of the objectively real, because I am subjective. So I can't say that the objective is real, because I don't know that.

 

[Valjean]

Yeah, but I know nothing of the objectively real, because I am subjective. So I can't say that the objective is real, because I don't know that.

Fair enough. I was just explaining the Hindu concept of non-dualism (advaita) that Aup was talking about.
There seem to be a lot of different ideas about non-dual means, going around.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Fair enough. I was just explaining the Hindu concept of non-dualism (advaita) that Aup was talking about.
There seem to be a lot of different ideas about non-dual means, going around.

Yeah, I get that. In Western philosophy that is neutral monism. But it has a limit of the everyday world because we can in some cases can act differently and I have found no way to do the different is the same as the same.

 

[Valjean]

Yeah, I get that. In Western philosophy that is neutral monism. But it has a limit of the everyday world because we can in some cases can act differently and I have found no way to do the different is the same as the same.

Understood.
We have to live in the world we perceive, regardless of our abstract, ontological opinions on the Nature of Reality.

 

[Brian2]

Do you really believe in the historical reliability of the Bible?
Biblical historians, scholars and analysts don't.

Yes I do.

 

[syo]

Please, in your own words.

Why is my personal religious belief wrong?

Wrong? I don't even know what you believe.

 

[CG Didymus]

Yes I know.
I added a bit to the post you just answered. I post it below. It shows how the teachings of Baha'i deny what the Bible tells us about the return of Christ and how it means that Christians who are waiting for the return of Christ and anyone else who wants to see who Baha'u'llah is, should be warned by what the Bible says and not follow after Baha'u'llah.

If Baha'u'llah says he is the return of Christ and the teachings from Jesus and others in the Bible show that he is not the return of Christ then he is lying about who he is or has been deceived, either way, he is a false Christ.
Example, as a Baha'i you will find that you have to deny pretty much everything that is said below.

Acts 1:9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.
10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”

Another thread, same stuff. What's wrong with the Baha'i Faith? You tell them, then they tell you actually two contradictory things. One answer is that your Christian beliefs are okay, implying that their beliefs should be okay to you. Then there is the real Baha'i belief... Your Christian beliefs are wrong. The gospels stories aren't accurate and some of them weren't meant to be believed in a literal way.

A Baha'i can't believe that "this same Jesus" is the one coming back. And a Born-again kind of Christian can't accept that Baha'u'llah is the return of Christ. And to some, both religions are wrong, because they depend on questionable beliefs that can't be proven and have to be taken on "faith". Yet, even if both religions are wrong, if people believe either one to be true, they can save the person's life. Which makes that person believe in more in his religion, but still doesn't make it true.

 

[CG Didymus]

What you are tailing about is not "evidence". It is "belief". Two quite different things, as you have already admitted.

Boy, all this stuff sounds so familiar. What are they trying to say, again? "I believe it. And it works for me, therefore it must be true. So, how can you tell me it isn't?" The best answer so far is that if you believe it, then live it and don't ask others if they think it's true or not. But Baha'i keep asking, and expecting a different response this time? If they're personal, keep them personal.

 

[Valjean]

I believe I speak the Truth with guidance from the Holy Spirit.

I believe there is only one Truth. There can be five deceptions that may appear to be true but are not.

But how to decide which truth, if any, is correct?
If you're not allowed to use your intellect, or facts, what's left but feelings and emotions -- not reliable sources of truth.

 

[CG Didymus]

Being a Bahai'?

It is wrong because it requires Abrahamic expectations, which are themselves based in a particularly questionable understanding of the role and properties of deities.

And perhaps even more because it expects Dharmic doctrines to conform to that Abrahamic frame somehow.

I"m wondering if he really meant to say, "What's wrong with me having my own personal beliefs?" But even with that, lots of people have personal beliefs that are harmful to others. But if he"s expecting others to accept and respect his beliefs, does he really accept and respect the religious beliefs of others? Baha'is say they do. But I don't think they really do. As you said, they accept your beliefs only when and if your Dharmic doctrines are made to conform with Baha'i beliefs.